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11 Apr 21 19:57
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Nadal and Djokovic are back in action this week as we have the first big event on clay on the men's side.
For the fans of green clay, you get another week of it in Charleston.
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Report Platini April 16, 2021 7:49 PM BST
go collect your Rubles
Report wisewords April 16, 2021 7:58 PM BST
Funky Rybakina

1.03            £3,074
1.04            £5,991
1.05            £8,618
1.06            £4,461
1.07            £1,438
1.08            £1,555
Report wisewords April 16, 2021 7:59 PM BST
I saw Rafa at 1.17 odds pre-match and it gave me the feeling Rublev was going to win. The price seemed odd to me.
Report SamuelMertensBertens April 16, 2021 8:05 PM BST
Rublev would also have won if Rafa was 1.27
Report wisewords April 16, 2021 8:12 PM BST
I can't even explain why, but sometimes I look at odds and think "that doesn't look normal". it stands out for some reason
Report wisewords April 16, 2021 8:14 PM BST
The price seemed too big at 1.17 to me, and it hinted that Rafa was going to lose. so I looked at what Rublev's done on clay so far and wasn't that impressed. but the odds were signalling to me Rublev's going to win. weird thing to say I know
Report wisewords April 16, 2021 8:14 PM BST
if Rafa had been 1.09 or something I'd have thought easy money
Report wisewords April 16, 2021 8:15 PM BST
but the price was expanding
Report Angela Rebecchi April 16, 2021 8:34 PM BST
Rafa price was too short I think wisey. I didn't play but Rublev is the real deal and bo3, season moments, conditions and atmosphere made it more of an open match. Sinner will be the real deal too but no way he's a better chance to beat Novak than Rublev over Rafa. Strange thing is the Sinner market acted like it was expecting Nole to play like he did against Daniel.
Report wisewords April 16, 2021 8:49 PM BST
Well yeah it was, because he lost. But if he was in full king of clay dominant mode he'd have been shorter SP than that, and his price would have been contracting as the match apporached rather than explanding
Report wisewords April 16, 2021 8:50 PM BST
basically I took the 1.17 to mean the premium clay player wasn't at 100% power
Report Angela Rebecchi April 16, 2021 8:52 PM BST
Yeah, which he wasn't wisey. Going to be interesting to see how they do come the real deal at RG !
Report SamuelMertensBertens April 16, 2021 8:54 PM BST
wouldn't read much into prematch movement. Most of the time there's no good reason for it. In this case Rafa went from a supermuggy price to a less but still very muggy price regardless of result.
Report wisewords April 16, 2021 8:58 PM BST
It's Rafael Nadal on clay. usually people are falling over themselves to back him. not today they weren't
Report Angela Rebecchi April 16, 2021 9:01 PM BST
Was quite overcast, and ball was more zippy today. Perfect for Rublevs power. Price was just wrong wisey, that's all.
Report n88uk April 16, 2021 9:02 PM BST
Lay Osorio
Report n88uk April 16, 2021 9:02 PM BST
6-4, 7-5 Tauson loading.
Report n88uk April 16, 2021 9:02 PM BST
*6-4/7-5 I mean.
Report SamuelMertensBertens April 16, 2021 9:03 PM BST
Let's go Osario. Easier opposition for Linda. Although flag vs flag would be cool.
Report SamuelMertensBertens April 16, 2021 9:06 PM BST
Cornet's injury turned out to be real. Missing Istanbul and Madrid now.
But the boy (girl) who cried wolf and all.
Report SamuelMertensBertens April 16, 2021 9:07 PM BST
At least WTA did the good job of saving the calendar for the likes of her so she will be happy with that.
Haven't decided if I'm gonna get her book yet. Would be in an exclusive club: Wilander, Agassi, Sharapova, Cornet.
Report wisewords April 16, 2021 9:07 PM BST
She must have had some injury but it was getting worse as the match went on. We didn't know this though, as she often acts finished when she isn't finished
Report Angela Rebecchi April 16, 2021 9:11 PM BST
Cornet makes Pinocchio look honest.
Report Angela Rebecchi April 16, 2021 9:30 PM BST
Retire Clara, you know you want to Love
Report SamuelMertensBertens April 16, 2021 9:30 PM BST
Excited
Report n88uk April 16, 2021 9:31 PM BST
Osorio just can't be stopped obviously.
Report SamuelMertensBertens April 16, 2021 9:31 PM BST
normally you learn a lot by looking at their facial expressions during a trainer visit, but harder to do so with a mask.
Report SamuelMertensBertens April 16, 2021 9:33 PM BST
ffs Osorio
Report SamuelMertensBertens April 16, 2021 9:33 PM BST
that's better. more bombs.
Report SamuelMertensBertens April 16, 2021 9:34 PM BST
Excited
Report SamuelMertensBertens April 16, 2021 9:34 PM BST
we'll see how Clara serves.
Report SamuelMertensBertens April 16, 2021 9:35 PM BST
hopefully some more pain and racquet tap.
Report SamuelMertensBertens April 16, 2021 9:37 PM BST
a nice hug. that will do.
Report Angela Rebecchi April 16, 2021 9:37 PM BST
Goof girl Clara Love
Report wisewords April 16, 2021 9:37 PM BST
"boom"
Report SamuelMertensBertens April 16, 2021 9:38 PM BST
Maria Camila channeling Maria Sharapova there.
Report wisewords April 16, 2021 9:38 PM BST
Clara T

1.22            £7,062
1.23            £5,015
1.24            £1,948
1.25            £2,225
1.26            £169
1.27            £1,909
1.28            £12,214
Report SamuelMertensBertens April 16, 2021 9:39 PM BST
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/8103736/sharapova-hailed-for-comforting-xinyu-after-chinese-ace-retires-with-injury/
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Report SamuelMertensBertens April 16, 2021 9:42 PM BST
the streak is up to 8!
Report n88uk April 16, 2021 9:43 PM BST
Caramba must have put a lot of money on Linda throughout the day today.
Report SamuelMertensBertens April 16, 2021 9:44 PM BST
Excited
Report SamuelMertensBertens April 16, 2021 9:45 PM BST
any Barclays customers here?
Report n88uk April 16, 2021 9:46 PM BST
Yes.
Report SamuelMertensBertens April 16, 2021 9:47 PM BST
this song they play in Charleston now they also play when you're in the phone queue to Barclays.
Report SamuelMertensBertens April 16, 2021 9:48 PM BST
Awake by Tycho.
Report wisewords April 16, 2021 9:48 PM BST

Apr 16, 2021 -- 3:43PM, n88uk wrote:


Caramba must have put a lot of money on Linda throughout the day today.


Happy

Report wisewords April 16, 2021 9:50 PM BST
n88uk any idea if they should be voiding from the second a goal is scored or from the point VAR commences /is called for?
Report Angela Rebecchi April 16, 2021 9:51 PM BST
A second the goal is scored wisey.

Though they are all over the shop. Everton scored an offside goal, flag was up, so all those bets should not have been voided, but they were.
Report n88uk April 16, 2021 9:51 PM BST
No.
Report Angela Rebecchi April 16, 2021 9:53 PM BST
It's penalties and red cards which are not voided up till the time the VAR review commences (which of course is in the lap of the gods as to when they decide it is started).
Report Angela Rebecchi April 16, 2021 9:55 PM BST

Apr 16, 2021 -- 3:51PM, Angela Rebecchi wrote:


A second the goal is scored wisey. Though they are all over the shop. Everton scored an offside goal, flag was up, so all those bets should not have been voided, but they were.


In this instance they used VAR to check if the goal should have stood, in this scenario, no void, though Betfair voided. Really is dicing with danger at times the way they are implementing rules. What they should do is have a zero void policy, like in rugby and cricket and even tennis when big moments occur and mistakes are made.

Report wisewords April 16, 2021 9:55 PM BST
Toad

- Where a Material Event (as defined in Part B of these Rules and Regulations above) is cancelled due to a determination made via a video assistant referee, Betfair will void all bets which are matched between the occurrence of the Material Event and the cancellation of it. The voiding of any such bets may take place during the event or retrospectively once a game is completed.

- For the avoidance of doubt, where a video assistant referee ruling results in the award of a Material Event (as defined in Part B of these Rules and Regulations above), such Material Event will be deemed to have occurred at the time at which the video assistant referee commences a review relating to such (ultimately awarded) Material Event. In such circumstances, bets matched prior to the time at which the video assistant referee commences a review will not be voided.

--

ffs, I got these 2 rules mixed up. if the goal had been wrongly disallowed and then we had VAR and the review resulted in a goal I'd have won Sad
Report wisewords April 16, 2021 9:55 PM BST
but the goal was given but then diallowed by VAR 2 mins later Cry
Report Angela Rebecchi April 16, 2021 9:57 PM BST
ffs, I got these 2 rules mixed up. if the goal had been wrongly disallowed and then we had VAR and the review resulted in a goal I'd have won.


Depends if they implement it correctly. As I said, this very thing happened in the Everton match and the voided. Seem they do not know their own rules at times!
Report wisewords April 16, 2021 9:59 PM BST
what happened in the Everton match?
Report wisewords April 16, 2021 10:01 PM BST
they did it right in the Leipzig match I think. goal scored = material event. then I layed Leipzig at 1.01 to close off and double. knew it could be dodgy, around 30 seconds later they say it hit his arm and they're checking, then another 30 seconds and ref sent the the screen and disallowed it. they voided everything from the second the goal went in
Report wisewords April 16, 2021 10:02 PM BST
what I need to look out for is possible penalty awards and possible onside goals which are flagged offside but then given after a review
Report Angela Rebecchi April 16, 2021 10:04 PM BST

Apr 16, 2021 -- 3:51PM, Angela Rebecchi wrote:


A second the goal is scored wisey. Though they are all over the shop. Everton scored an offside goal, flag was up, so all those bets should not have been voided, but they were.


Cool

Report wisewords April 16, 2021 10:05 PM BST
those bets in Everton were the same as Leipzig. goal scored but disallowed?
Report Angela Rebecchi April 16, 2021 10:05 PM BST

Apr 16, 2021 -- 4:02PM, wisewords wrote:


what I need to look out for is possible penalty awards and possible onside goals which are flagged offside but then given after a review


Or offside goals flagged for offside and people betting as if it is a goal, only to lose their dosh as it is upheld and voided if it was onside. Though Betfair don't always implement this.

Report Angela Rebecchi April 16, 2021 10:07 PM BST

Apr 16, 2021 -- 4:05PM, wisewords wrote:


those bets in Everton were the same as Leipzig. goal scored but disallowed?


Yes, but the goal was not given STRAIGHT AWAY, flag was up for offside. VAR then checks to see if the goal shouldn't have been disallowed. In those instances bets stand if not given (decision upheld) or bets voided if given (decision overturned). Anyone betting like a goal is given should be on a hiding for nothing. However Betfair don't always implement it. It's crazy.

Report wisewords April 16, 2021 10:07 PM BST
offside goal disallowed for offside = material event so void from the second it hits the net
Report wisewords April 16, 2021 10:07 PM BST
offside goal disallowed for offside - VAR review - given onside, bets stand
Report Angela Rebecchi April 16, 2021 10:08 PM BST
Nope. It's not a material event if a disallowed goal is been given offside straight away as affectively nothing has happened.
Report wisewords April 16, 2021 10:09 PM BST
exactly, not a material event. so they void from "such Material Event will be deemed to have occurred at the time at which the video assistant referee commences a review"
Report Angela Rebecchi April 16, 2021 10:10 PM BST
Offside goal disallowed for offside - VAR review. Bets after the offside goal SHOULD (and usually are):

VOIDED if goal given
STAND if goal remains not given

Today however they were voided even though the decision of no goal was upheld. Betfair are inconsistent on this and it is a minefield for players.
Report SamuelMertensBertens April 16, 2021 10:11 PM BST
ffs Linda.
Report wisewords April 16, 2021 10:13 PM BST
Toad let's get our terms clearer.

goal scored - no flag - VAR review - goal disallowed. voided from the second it went in

goal scored - offside flag - VAR review - goal confirmed as disallowed. voided from the second it went in?

goal scored - offside flag - VAR review - goal awarded. initial bets stand, bets made from start of review voided?
Report Angela Rebecchi April 16, 2021 10:20 PM BST

Apr 16, 2021 -- 4:13PM, wisewords wrote:


Toad let's get our terms clearer.goal scored - no flag - VAR review - goal disallowed. voided from the second it went ingoal scored - offside flag - VAR review - goal confirmed as disallowed. voided from the second it went in?goal scored - offside flag - VAR review - goal awarded. initial bets stand, bets made from start of review voided?


We have it different.

A - yes
B - bets stand
C - all bets from goal voided

This is what I have seen most of the time, though it is inconsistent.

RE: C - "If the referee decides to award a goal, retrospectively due to VAR, bets matched between the time of the goal being scored and the time at which the video assistant referee review is concluded will be voided."

Report wisewords April 16, 2021 10:34 PM BST
- For the avoidance of doubt, where a video assistant referee ruling results in the award of a Material Event (as defined in Part B of these Rules and Regulations above), such Material Event will be deemed to have occurred at the time at which the video assistant referee commences a review relating to such (ultimately awarded) Material Event. In such circumstances, bets matched prior to the time at which the video assistant referee commences a review will not be voided.

--

Toad, so this above bit applies to possible penalties later awarded by VAR and bad fouls which VAR deem to be red card worthy? not to offside goals that are later awarded by VAR review?
Report Angela Rebecchi April 16, 2021 10:38 PM BST
Yeah, that's my understanding. Though with offside goals they are not consistent.
Report SamuelMertensBertens April 16, 2021 10:55 PM BST
meanwhile what are you doing Linda Cry
Report n88uk April 16, 2021 10:56 PM BST
Noserve.com
Report SamuelMertensBertens April 16, 2021 10:58 PM BST
Linda vs Errani Scared
Report SamuelMertensBertens April 16, 2021 11:04 PM BST
not sure if Linda is gonna revolutionize the sport with her moonball serve.
Report SamuelMertensBertens April 16, 2021 11:08 PM BST
Linda breaking Astra easier than the other way around here. Advantage Linda in the 2nd set tb.
Report wisewords April 16, 2021 11:16 PM BST
Astra bullying her with physicality Scared
Report wisewords April 16, 2021 11:18 PM BST
she's realised that even though her tennis is quite limited, she's stronger physically than a 15 year old Cry
Report SamuelMertensBertens April 16, 2021 11:19 PM BST
a hold by Linda!
Report SamuelMertensBertens April 16, 2021 11:31 PM BST
Sad
still a good win for Linda.
Report SamuelMertensBertens April 16, 2021 11:33 PM BST
*week
Report n88uk April 17, 2021 11:18 AM BST
What a mug Yuki Naito.
Report Angela Rebecchi April 17, 2021 11:23 AM BST
1.02    £1,522        £2,144
1.03    £1,650        £10,138
1.04            £23,865
1.05    £819        £22,036
1.06    £111        £10,174
1.07    £4,158        £31,624
1.08    £414        £9,731

Out to 4.0 but looking good 4-1 in the final set TB, don't rule out something funky here still.
Report Angela Rebecchi April 17, 2021 11:26 AM BST
1.31            £169
1.33            £532
1.34            £2,326
1.35            £1,861
1.36            £2

Finally Naito beaten. Looked ominous for a few moments!
Report SamuelMertensBertens April 17, 2021 12:05 PM BST
jimmy soixante-dix @hotdog6969
Ostapenko after beating Raina yesterday: "She (Ankita) has a bit of an ugly game...she plays on ITF level and we are on the WTA."

That's a bit rude!


classic Osty
Report SamuelMertensBertens April 17, 2021 2:51 PM BST
Alex | Tennis Tennis ball @Alex_Boroch
·33m

In her first tour-level match at qualifying in Stuttgart (WTA500), 17 y/o Flag of Germany Noma Noha Akugue (#787) wins 8th (!) games in a row from 1-3 down in the first set, to eventually overcome #1 seed Margarita Gasparyan (#89) 6-3, 6-4 and reach the final qualifying round.

Great debut!


well done edy's flag.
Report edy April 17, 2021 3:02 PM BST
Happy
Report wisewords April 17, 2021 3:54 PM BST
Happy
Report Angela Rebecchi April 17, 2021 6:49 PM BST
Hevur getting done 1.1x is classic Love
Report Angela Rebecchi April 17, 2021 6:54 PM BST
1.22 £10k Carle backer very sweet on a retirement here. Not so sure myself!
Report Angela Rebecchi April 17, 2021 7:04 PM BST
Poots retires! Was 1.59 when she collapsed again! Love Market took forever to react there
Report Angela Rebecchi April 17, 2021 7:04 PM BST
1.01    £45        £26,584
1.02    £19        £5,715
1.03            £6,033
1.04            £12,940
1.05    £7        £35,324
1.06            £8,676
1.07    £1,236        £13,191
1.08            £19,828

Poots BEAT !
Report Angela Rebecchi April 17, 2021 7:25 PM BST
1.01    £28,323        £3,032
1.02    £21,372        £3,003
1.03    £21,352        £2,918
1.04    £13,120        £3,977
1.05    £9,984        £6,223

Wisey, this was matched on Chelsea at 1-0 after they scored the 2nd goal which was immediately flagged. This time Betfair have rightly let them stand, though yesterday decided not to in the Everton match!
Report wisewords April 17, 2021 7:54 PM BST
Poots still not back to 100% since her kidney op then
Report SamuelMertensBertens April 17, 2021 9:10 PM BST
Twitter muggy today, but I hope there will be GIFs of Maria Camila failing to do a tweener and still laughing at herself about it 2 mins later.
Report SamuelMertensBertens April 17, 2021 9:13 PM BST
this is the actual tweener fail.
https://twitter.com/tennis_gifs/status/1383513414530605057
Report n88uk April 17, 2021 9:55 PM BST
What a mug Osorio.
Report SamuelMertensBertens April 17, 2021 10:29 PM BST
Streak is over.
Report seahawk April 18, 2021 9:04 PM BST
Sharma about o beat the beast!!!!!!
Report wisewords April 18, 2021 9:13 PM BST
Surprised
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