S/OT 8

*10.61

in headwind.

Wise must be so proud of his fav woman Elaine Thompson

Lol at Trayvon Bromell also, was odds on for the 100m and barely got out of R1. Could be some great goods selling if he wins easily tomorrow.

Jul 31, 2021 -- 7:25AM, SamuelMertensBertens wrote:

Sweden GOATing at discus.

"I am the Swedish Viking" must be a line from your sleep.

Pretty close between Sweden and GB when you remove all the nonsensical sports and disciplines.
Sweden 1-1-0
GB 1-5-3

SWE
Gold
Athletics, Discus - Daniel Ståhl
Silver
Athletics, Discus - Simon Pettersson

GB
Gold
Swimming: Men’s 200m Freestyle – Tom Dean
Silver
Rowing: Men’s Quadruple Sculls
Swimming: Men’s 200m Freestyle – Duncan Scott
Swimming: Men’s 200m Individual Medley – Duncan Scott
Triathlon: Men’s Individual – Alex Yee
Triathlon: Women’s Individual – Georgia Taylor-Brown
Bronze
Gymnastics: Women’s Team Final
Judo: Women -52 kg Contest – Chelsie Giles
Trampoline Gymnastics: Women – Bryony Page

Germany 0-1-4

Jul 31, 2021 -- 11:19AM, SamuelMertensBertens wrote:

Pretty close between Sweden and GB when you remove all the nonsensical sports and disciplines.Sweden 1-1-0GB 1-5-3SWEGoldAthletics, Discus - Daniel StåhlSilverAthletics, Discus - Simon PetterssonGBGoldSwimming: Men’s 200m Freestyle – Tom DeanSilverRowing: Men’s Quadruple ScullsSwimming: Men’s 200m Freestyle – Duncan ScottSwimming: Men’s 200m Individual Medley – Duncan ScottTriathlon: Men’s Individual – Alex YeeTriathlon: Women’s Individual – Georgia Taylor-BrownBronzeGymnastics: Women’s Team FinalJudo: Women -52 kg Contest – Chelsie GilesTrampoline Gymnastics: Women – Bryony Page

Maybe Sweden should just be better at "nonsensical sports and disciplines".

Not convinced discus is really any better than say breaststroke or taekwondo either. Both are same principle.

Maybe Sweden should just be better at "nonsensical sports and disciplines".

we don't have the resources to invest in weak sports that are easy to vulture, ie gets you as many medals as possible per invested capital.

Sweden is a rich country. Though yer it likely doesn't invest as much as we do.

I'm not any of our investment really is designed to actually vulture easy medals. Eg. if you take like the velodrome cycling, that's just because that stuff exploded here years ago and lots of the teams are sponsored by UK brands. Not sure you can really claim any swimming event is vultured, swimming is competitive, albeit biased towards nations with heavy resources which are needed by definition (ie. Olympic sized pools). Other things we've won like BMX and off road cycling have no investment in first place, the woman who won the BMX gold the other day had to get crowd funded to even get to Tokyo.

Stuff like taekwondo, not really sure how popular martial arts are in other countries, but they're pretty popular here. We've only won 2 golds ever in taekwondo anyway, both by same person. Also seems a wide range of nations that compete in first place.

Arguably where it pays off is in all these relays, generally we're a reasonably good relay nation over the years, because relays are a numbers game. Going to be much harder for Sweden for example to have 4 good people at 1 discipline. Though of course USA benefit from this even more than GB.

Kindly the Olympics keeps adding more relays too.

Another thing is GB piles relatively far more into summer Olympics vs winter Olympics than most countries. Told you this before, but obviously in many countries the two Olympics are treated equally, in this country, the Olympics basically means summer, very little interest in winter Olympics, and much less funding for it as a result, hence why we don't really do much at it. Imagine this is especially relevant when you look at our Olympic performance vs a nation like Germany.

Tumaini Carayol @tumcarayol
·5h BMX (both racing and freestyle) might just be a top 4 Olympic sport.
ffs

What a mug Trayvon Bromell

Pommel horse, a true Olympic event Caramba.

lame sport, but I will allow it.

cool article in Swedish newspaper.
https://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/a/368JoP/os-i-barncykel-ar-orattvist-mot-alla
behind paywall, but headline reads "Child bicycle Olympics is unfair on everyone."
child bicycle is of course BMX.

just to show I am fair Sweden won silver at sailing this morning which I won't count. Hobby for the upper class, not a sport.

tells you how badly doped the East Germans were when in 2021, with super shoes, better diet etc no one is still remotely close to those records.
But athletics is weird like that, plenty of records from forever ago are still standing, not just those the East German ones. For instance Bob Beamon's 8.90 from 1968 still the 2nd longest jump ever. And in men's high jump it was fairly common for a jumper to go over 2.40 in my childhood, these days it's extremely rare. Those results don't have a doping stink over them, but it makes you wonder.

Anything standing that long is highly suspicious. Bob Beamon's jump was done at high altitude though which benefits jumping events.

You can basically see which events benefited most from drugs, mostly HGH from records. So of course it's women, as HGH effects are greater on women, and events depending on power (notice how longer distance run records tend to have been in recent times).

The women actually likely get robbed of millions of dollars in reality, as they have no chance of breaking world records. This event is the first time in my entire lifetime that the 100m record actually seems in reach that I could see it broken in my lifetime, but even then how much is lost from yesterday's time should have been recognised as a world record. Not only was Flo-Jo a blatant cheat, the 100m record was also set in like +5m/s wind but the wind gun wasn't working. Elaine Thompson was running into a headwind yesterday. Same is also true for 400m, a record for many, many years that seemed impossible and unobtainable, they got within like half a second in Doha 2 years ago didn't they, which again makes you think it could be done, but again these already should be world records. Going to guess something like the throwing events are the absolute worst.

Also it's the East Germans and the like that have the reputation for cheating, but in reality far more than them were cheating in like the 1980s. You can see reputation difference when you look at someone like Carl Lewis, someone generally seen as untainted legend by the public, but in reality was almost certainly cheating. Someone like Ben Johnson has a point when he says ok he was cheating in 1988, but they only stripped him, what about the 100 other cheats?

In fact is there like any top US athlete from around 1988 that it isn't widely believed was cheating today? Flo-Jo, Carl Lewis, Jackie Joyner-Kersee all the evidence suggests they almost certainly were. Latter would actually affect your fav of course, as I imagine Carolina Kluft almost certainly should actually hold the heptathlon world record.

Would have been cool if they actually saved samples from these events in the 1980s.

Don't think that was happening until the 2000s though.

I actually imagine in the 1980s the relatively cleaner events were the longer distance stuff too. I'm sure they had stuff in the 1980s for stamina, but most the drugs we know of were about boosting muscle mass and power, things not particularly helpful over long distances, not sure EPO was really a thing until the 90s.

Talking of events where doping helps the most, women's shot put looks a good candidate:

https://www.worldathletics.org/records/all-time-toplists/throws/shot-put/outdoor/women/senior?regionType=world&page=1&bestResultsOnly=true&firstDay=1900-01-01&lastDay=2021-08-01

,

You have to go to #42 on the list to find a throw in recent history.

The problem with resetting records is that you screw over those who didn't cheat to get them.

I looked at men's high jump. Results have picked up in recent years with plenty of jumpers over 2.40 so I was wrong on that. There was a dip in results for the longest time before that though.
That shared victory today was big muggery btw.

BOOM! US out!

About time they didn't get away with looking rubbish.

Elaine Thompson looks unreal in the 200m.

Gabby Thomas another US fav flop.

Woah, this US female weightlifter (Robles) has the readest face I've ever seen.

very close between China and US in most golds. Was 1.10 US pre Olympics.

USA touched over 4.0 as well

that 400m hurdles final was madness!

GB got 2 finals in the velodrome coming up . Sizeable underdog in both though.

US have flopped completely in track and field. Michael Johnson was laying into their preparations and failure to acclimatise the other day.

Aug 2, 2021 -- 12:20PM, SamuelMertensBertens wrote:

very close between China and US in most golds. Was 1.10 US pre Olympics.

Both are looking like hitting the under on their expected golds pre-event, Japan too. So all the top nations relatively flopping it seems.

Erriyon Knighton looks to have some future.

Noah Lyles the next American odds on flop for sure.

1.01 done on Noah Lyles (USA) as he got pipped on the line.

1.01            £428
1.02            £7
1.1            £321
1.11            £436
1.12            £1,205
1.13            £514
1.14            £768
1.15            £320
1.16            £489

Looks easy for Erriyon Knighton in final.

Hope so. Though Lyles did sub 20 there and looked to have more in tank.

Andre De Graase now looks the one to beat after that. My Bednarek lay looking good touch wood.

will GB win any medals in athletics?

The bell could be ringing very soon .....

Got to have a big chance here to land a medal.

Silver for Keely! Reekie went too soon.

well done the Brit who won silver.
very plucky from the one who finished 4th.

Yeah. She got mowed down very late on. Goule was cooked trying to go with Mu who was exceptional. What a future she has.

Same for Reekie. Went to win it and paid the price.

Lavellenie almost did some top goods selling there.

Mondo!

Jumped with ease!

What time does Elaine run?

Aug 3, 2021 -- 7:19AM, SamuelMertensBertens wrote:

will GB win any medals in athletics?

4-5 probs, it's whether any are gold.

Aug 3, 2021 -- 7:38AM, n88uk wrote:

What time does Elaine run?

9 minutes from now.

Lol, I meant what time will she run in the race.

Mens 200m final is going to be superb. Incredible market.

Aug 3, 2021 -- 7:41AM, n88uk wrote:

Lol, I meant what time will she run in the race.

Sorry!

3/1 for world record to be broken!

21.46

oooh Mondo being asked questions!

Relays, hepthalon, women's 1500m, women's pole vault all chance of GB medals. Probs missing something too as I don't follow everything.

these athletics events have been amazing. You barely notice there's not a crowd there, but imagine if there was ...

Aaron thinks Gabby Thomas is a huge price in this 200m given her times she's run. I defo don't think Shelly-Ann is nailed on 2nd like market thinks, didn't think she looked that good in semi's.

anyone can run fast in America.

Norm lol the world record is 1.01 no for 200m final.

Aug 3, 2021 -- 7:45AM, n88uk wrote:

Relays, hepthalon, women's 1500m, women's pole vault all chance of GB medals. Probs missing something too as I don't follow everything.

Odds on everything else suggest we have no other hopes, but I don't know.

Does Shelly-Ann get a new colour hair every day?

Aug 3, 2021 -- 7:43AM, SamuelMertensBertens wrote:

21.46

I think around this a good shout.

Yep knew Shelly-Ann was a mug price.

Aug 3, 2021 -- 7:43AM, SamuelMertensBertens wrote:

21.46

not far off.

Mondo!

Aaron knew, he said Gabby Thomas 3.5 to win a medal big, big price.

Aug 3, 2021 -- 7:50AM, n88uk wrote:

Does Shelly-Ann get a new colour hair every day?

that's not good for your hair I remember Fredrik Ljungberg used to do this a lot. And he's shaved all of it off now.

Spam/OT Thread 2
By caramba on 2 Apr 17 15:22
flagging Armand Duplantis

Spam/OT Thread 2
By aaronh on 27 May 17 21:33
ain't ever heard of no duplantis

oh oh Mondo bringing out the monster pole for this!

Aaron is a track man, not a field man.

clearly

If you want something embarrassing, I though Duplantis was French before tonight .

I have clearly not spammed about him enough here.

there's no WR market

Cool, will he get it?

From that, feels like he will.

and that's with a pole he's never jumped with.

From that it feels like he will break it many times in his career. Pole vault is a mug event though which means you never find out the true max of athletes, as you are encouraged to only break the record 1cm at a time, rather than do the best you possibly can.

pole vaulters can't vulture other events whereas if you're a top sprinter you have chances in 100m, 200m, 4*100m, back in the day long jump was also possible. 5k runners can also do 10k, long jumpers can do triple jump etc. Duplantis is so dominant that if there were other similar events, he could have won in other disciplines.

must be cool to be good at pole vaulting. just bring a pole and you can trespass into any event you want, escape from prison etc.

Aug 3, 2021 -- 8:01AM, n88uk wrote:

If you want something embarrassing, I though Duplantis was French before tonight .

wow, that is embarrassing!

Aug 3, 2021 -- 7:58AM, SamuelMertensBertens wrote:

Aug 3, 2021 -- 12:50PM, n88uk wrote:Does Shelly-Ann get a new colour hair every day?that's not good for your hair  I remember Fredrik Ljungberg used to do this a lot. And he's shaved all of it off now.

It's almost certainly wigs.

Aug 3, 2021 -- 7:52AM, n88uk wrote:

Yep knew Shelly-Ann was a mug price.

Top shout that. Plenty 1.3x done in the Medal market.

Aug 3, 2021 -- 7:28AM, Angela Rebecchi wrote:

Silver for Keely! Reekie went too soon.

what a potty mouth though.
https://twitter.com/GaryLineker/status/1422536369432317957

easy for Malmö