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dom888
04 Jun 19 15:36
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Federer Nadal Joker
When will this boring dominance stop?
Federer 38, still better than the youngsters.
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Report darren_discombobulates_sports June 4, 2019 9:12 PM BST
You have the greatest clay court player or all time, the greatest grass court player of all time and the greatest hard court player of all time all in the same era, all chasing GOAT status meaning they're all playing with huge motivation into their 30's, combined with the fact that the last couple of generations haven't/aren't good enough still to match them, no matter how much a Thiem or Zverev or Tsisipas raise their level/fulfil their potential I can't see them ever being anywhere near as good, only way their dominance will end is when their careers end. When Novak's motivation leves did drop a couple of years ago it allowed for finalist like Raonic, Cilic, Anderson and Theim who beat him at the French last year but not the real Novak was there in body only.

The number 1 tactic for players taking on those 3 is always the same, play ultra aggresively, hit the ball super hard every shot, Thiem has had some success doing that against Nadal but in the best of 5 on clay there's no chance imo, the best of the rest are just  not dynamic or talented enough. The next generation of players don't really excite me, it'll just be Tsisipas and Sascha and the like in big hitting/short rally finals.
Report n88uk June 5, 2019 12:33 AM BST
It wouldn't be that though as when the top ranked players are lesser ranked it just leads to slam winners/finalists from all over the rankings. You wouldn't just suddenly get a Thiem/Zverev dominance or whatever. Even when a player has stepped up and made a final in recent times it's normally not even one of the "young guard". Plus most these players aren't even at the sort of Ferrer/Berdych level for years where they would consistently make it so far then get lose to whoever from the top 4.

Hard to totally see when this dominance will stop, as you'd have said in a few years for about the last 5 years, yet at times the young guard can look as far away as ever. It was only the AO we saw Tsitsipas get totally battered by Nadal followed by Nadal getting totally battered by Djokovic. If anything someone like Thiem here at the French might have the best chance to break this hold because at least physically he can hold with these players if not stronger, though he's never going to be a dominate on all surfaces player either.

As the numbers of the big 4 at the top decline though you're moving closer to the end of the dominance. When it was 4 it was pretty much impossible for anyone to breakthrough, most of them have gone through periods of injury or other issues opening small gaps at times. You've now got Murray out and may never be back, a Federer who is at least beatable to these players, a very injury prone Nadal, then a Djokovic who seems virtually unstoppable when on it, however it wasn't too long ago that Djokovic totally lost it and even this year he's turned it on for slams but he's actually been quite average at tour level most the year, that sort of thing doesn't tend to sustain long term.
Report bustino June 6, 2019 12:59 AM BST
Backed sasha at 55s pre-tourny after 4 matches and losing 118 players trading at 70s.........zero chance of winning.........not a tennis expert love the sport (slams)......convinced Tsitipas real deal......but all credit to djokovic nadal fedderer......i watched all five hours of stan /tsitipas match yet struggle  to watch 5 minutes of most socer matches......

Still remember classic matches of 80s as a kid with Mcenroe/conners/bjorn enjoy these masters while they perform to this level have backed djokovic tonite outright but happy to lose my 50 on sasha if by miracle he nets me 2 1/2 bags......
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