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Report SabineIsGOAT September 21, 2018 10:38 AM BST
Only saw the last bit of that coaching session and the comm saying she was upset
Report tof September 21, 2018 10:39 AM BST
or she's still missing redfOO & finds it difficult fighting ze urge to suddenly break out in a shuffle ... followed by a FLOSS ...
Report tof September 21, 2018 10:40 AM BST
... after winning a point ...
Report n88uk September 21, 2018 10:41 AM BST

Sep 21, 2018 -- 4:38AM, SabineIsGOAT wrote:


Only saw the last bit of that coaching session and the comm saying she was upset


It wasn't in English anyway.

Report SabineIsGOAT September 21, 2018 10:43 AM BST
no mto
Report SabineIsGOAT September 21, 2018 10:52 AM BST
mto now
Report SabineIsGOAT September 21, 2018 10:53 AM BST
retired
Report Hamlin September 21, 2018 10:53 AM BST
Cashing out all my Giorgi bets before the void
Report tof September 21, 2018 10:56 AM BST
Giorgi speaks Japaneezer ... !!Laugh
Report tof September 21, 2018 10:56 AM BST

Sep 21, 2018 -- 4:53AM, Hamlin wrote:


Cashing out all my Giorgi bets before the void


and the point being ... LaughLaughLaugh

Report Hamlin September 21, 2018 11:01 AM BST

Sep 21, 2018 -- 4:56AM, tof wrote:


Sep 21, 2018 -- 10:53AM, Hamlin wrote:Cashing out all my Giorgi bets before the voidand the point being ...


To actually get some winnings instead of stake returned...

Report caramba September 21, 2018 11:08 AM BST
shrewd.
Report SabineIsGOAT September 21, 2018 11:09 AM BST
Laugh
Report SabineIsGOAT September 21, 2018 11:12 AM BST
Tomljanovic getting progressively muggier as this set goes on
Report SabineIsGOAT September 21, 2018 11:16 AM BST
go mandy
Report leefee September 21, 2018 11:18 AM BST
Total collapse by Tomljanovic
Report caramba September 21, 2018 11:20 AM BST
I find Ajla so overrated, so I'm probably not the person to ask but I don't see why she's fave here.
Report tof September 21, 2018 11:20 AM BST

Sep 21, 2018 -- 5:01AM, Hamlin wrote:


Sep 21, 2018 -- 10:56AM, tof wrote:Sep 21, 2018 -- 10:53AM, Hamlin wrote:Cashing out all my Giorgi bets before the voidand the point being ...To actually get some winnings instead of stake returned...


void means they return your stake and remove any winnings ... everything back to as it woz ...Laugh

Report tof September 21, 2018 11:22 AM BST
petf00d want to dance wivv azar00nka ... Blush
Report caramba September 21, 2018 11:27 AM BST
Go Luxembourg!
Report Hamlin September 21, 2018 11:59 AM BST

Sep 21, 2018 -- 5:20AM, tof wrote:


Sep 21, 2018 -- 11:01AM, Hamlin wrote:Sep 21, 2018 -- 10:56AM, tof wrote:Sep 21, 2018 -- 10:53AM, Hamlin wrote:Cashing out all my Giorgi bets before the voidand the point being ...To actually get some winnings instead of stake returned...void means they return your stake and remove any winnings ... everything back to as it woz ...


Yes... remove any winnings. Whereas if you cash out you get to keep your winnings as they go immediately into your bank. Do you really not know the difference from Sportsbook to Exchange?

Report n88uk September 21, 2018 12:21 PM BST
You do need to be on the sportsbook in first place though is why he might not be familiar with that. A lot of people probably never even load the sportsbook.
Report n88uk September 21, 2018 12:30 PM BST
It is essentially free money if you get to do that at the right time, but often it doesn't actually work out. A lot of bookies suspend the odds constantly at sign of retirement making it impossible. Also cash out is always a total con offering so it's not like you are getting a great offer, this is often made worse by if the bookie haven't picked up on retirement imminent they normally have inflated odds on the player you are trying to cash out on.

I mean I don't do that much betting really at bookies but several times over the years I've had it where I can see retirement is imminent and tried this on, but I think I only actually pulled it off once, and even then you get your pants pulled down as you are cashing out at much less than you in theory should be. And that's another thing you have to weigh in on something like that of is it really worth it, of you are totally giving up a chance for a much bigger win should the match be completed doing this, so you've got to be near certain retirement is going to happen to see any benefit.
Report Hamlin September 21, 2018 12:55 PM BST
Yeah, I piled on in the exchange after Giorgi was broken because Azar was clearly still struggling. I then realised void would be useless so got the evens on the Sportsbook. No where near the level of profit if the match had completed but better than picking the right winner and leaving with nothing. Market was pretty slow to react to the retiring they didnt event suspend when the trainer was on or as she walked to the chair asking for the physio.
Report jin_kazz September 21, 2018 1:14 PM BST
sabine mugged again
Report differentdrum September 21, 2018 1:26 PM BST
Putintseva much too solid for Pera. Doubt this is going to turn around.
Report n88uk September 21, 2018 2:50 PM BST
Vika's retirement today is listed as GI illness btw and not physical.
Report tof September 21, 2018 3:56 PM BST

Sep 21, 2018 -- 5:59AM, Hamlin wrote:


Sep 21, 2018 -- 11:20AM, tof wrote:Sep 21, 2018 -- 11:01AM, Hamlin wrote:Sep 21, 2018 -- 10:56AM, tof wrote:Sep 21, 2018 -- 10:53AM, Hamlin wrote:Cashing out all my Giorgi bets before the voidand the point being ...To actually get some winnings instead of stake returned...void means they return your stake and remove any winnings ... everything back to as it woz ...Yes... remove any winnings. Whereas if you cash out you get to keep your winnings as they go immediately into your bank. Do you really not know the difference from Sportsbook to Exchange?


Yeah I never use sports book ... but even then i don't think ... you get to keep any profit if the bet is void ... void means void plain and simple ... ill now go and check if the same betting roolz apply to bets on sports book ...

Report tof September 21, 2018 3:59 PM BST
can't see/find the roolz ...
Report Hamlin September 21, 2018 4:04 PM BST
If I had let the bet ride it would of returned no profit as it was void. However when you CASH OUT on Sportsbook you get whatever they've offered immediately regardless of whether that market is later voided. In exchange if you CASH OUT then it still waits for the market to be settled before paying any profit. In Sportsbook as soon as you CASH OUT that bet is considered as settled.

Hope that helps. Wink. If your unsure how cash out works i'm concerned about what your doing on this forum so much. Clearly out of your depth. Whoops
Report wisewords September 21, 2018 4:07 PM BST
anyone know how low Shapo traded earlier? must have been 1.01?
Report tof September 21, 2018 4:08 PM BST

Sep 21, 2018 -- 10:04AM, Hamlin wrote:


If I had let the bet ride it would of returned no profit as it was void. However when you CASH OUT on Sportsbook you get whatever they've offered immediately regardless of whether that market is later voided. In exchange if you CASH OUT then it still waits for the market to be settled before paying any profit. In Sportsbook as soon as you CASH OUT that bet is considered as settled.Hope that helps. . If your unsure how cash out works i'm concerned about what your doing on this forum so much. Clearly out of your depth.


gotcha ... ! thx ..

Report wisewords September 21, 2018 4:14 PM BST

Sep 21, 2018 -- 3:09AM, leefee wrote:


Does Osaka give a hoot about this tournie?


of course. she's Japanese!

Report caramba September 21, 2018 4:23 PM BST

Sep 21, 2018 -- 10:04AM, Hamlin wrote:


If I had let the bet ride it would of returned no profit as it was void. However when you CASH OUT on Sportsbook you get whatever they've offered immediately regardless of whether that market is later voided. In exchange if you CASH OUT then it still waits for the market to be settled before paying any profit. In Sportsbook as soon as you CASH OUT that bet is considered as settled.Hope that helps. . If your unsure how cash out works i'm concerned about what your doing on this forum so much. Clearly out of your depth.


I thought you were fishing for sure. Well done on capitalizing on such muggery from Betfair.

Report wisewords September 21, 2018 4:23 PM BST

Sep 21, 2018 -- 5:20AM, caramba wrote:


I find Ajla so overrated, so I'm probably not the person to ask but I don't see why she's fave here.


because she's Ajla!

Report wisewords September 22, 2018 5:33 AM BST
Donna Beetroothead trying her best to gub Ka Plis:

1.05              £4
1.06              £458
1.07              £8,967
1.08              £54,574
1.09              £3,167
1.10              £7,228
1.11             £42,603
1.12             £14,074
Report n88uk September 22, 2018 9:47 AM BST
I swear Kato/Ninomiya are heavy outsiders week after week yet do a lot of winning.
Report leefee September 22, 2018 1:42 PM BST
Stan still a mental midget
Report ayt September 22, 2018 2:29 PM BST
oh really leefee?
Report ayt September 22, 2018 2:55 PM BST
thiemmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Report SabineIsGOAT September 22, 2018 5:07 PM BST
Nishi must have been very low
Report SabineIsGOAT September 22, 2018 6:28 PM BST
1.01    £28,208
1.02    £22,127
1.03    £6,883
1.04    £6,858
1.05    £9,549

Cepede Royg gubbed from a set and 4-0 (also *5-2)
Report wisewords September 22, 2018 6:34 PM BST
yes zig, came here to post the same thing. Royg made a huge mess

1.01              £28,208
1.02              £22,127
1.03              £6,883
1.04             £6,858
1.05              £9,549
1.06             £8,283
1.07             £18,138
1.08             £11,741
1.09             £6,539
Report caramba September 23, 2018 5:07 AM BST
OMG Foxtenn at WTA Wuhan now.
Report caramba September 23, 2018 5:08 AM BST
DCR tried to do a Becker.
Report wisewords September 23, 2018 5:18 AM BST
hello
Report differentdrum September 23, 2018 9:34 AM BST
Terrible result for Osaka backers. What was she 1/3? It sums up the unpredictability of the WTA. Pliskova's career had looked to be going nowhere then she beats someone who had been looking like the best player around. It's almost like they share the titles out. How often does anyone go back to back?
Report n88uk September 23, 2018 10:37 AM BST
Pliskova nearly lost to Riske a few days ago.
Report caramba September 23, 2018 11:10 AM BST
And Gavrilova earlier.
Report caramba September 23, 2018 11:13 AM BST
Trainer Lesia.
Report caramba September 23, 2018 12:31 PM BST
what a mug Mertens.
Report caramba September 23, 2018 12:32 PM BST
Singapore race got closer today with both KaPlis and Bertens winning titles.
Report wisewords September 23, 2018 3:53 PM BST
Sloane set 2

1.07             £1,801
1.08             £114
1.09             £1,636
1.16             £104
1.2             £1,371
Report caramba September 23, 2018 4:23 PM BST
Anett responding well to Sears' OCC today.
Report SabineIsGOAT September 23, 2018 4:24 PM BST
stream is miles behind the scoreboard here too
Report caramba September 23, 2018 4:28 PM BST
WTA used to be alright, but it's terrible now yes
Report caramba September 23, 2018 4:30 PM BST
Betfair selling out to the fast pics customers just like WWE is selling out to the Saudis :(
Report wisewords September 23, 2018 4:31 PM BST
SLOANE!!!!!!!!
Report SabineIsGOAT September 23, 2018 4:34 PM BST
ANETT!!!!!!!
Report wisewords September 23, 2018 4:35 PM BST
Plain
Report caramba September 23, 2018 4:35 PM BST
Go Anett!
Report wisewords September 23, 2018 4:35 PM BST
Cry
Report SabineIsGOAT September 23, 2018 4:35 PM BST
oh my
Report caramba September 23, 2018 4:36 PM BST
:D :D
Report SabineIsGOAT September 23, 2018 4:39 PM BST
very swingy end to the match
Report caramba September 23, 2018 4:40 PM BST
Anett :)
Report wisewords September 23, 2018 4:41 PM BST
Sloane

1.03              £1,163
1.04              £10,375
1.05              £20,780
1.06              £48,241
1.07              £64,506
1.08              £35,215
1.09              £15,085
1.10              £2,313
1.11              £21,383

Anett deserved to win, she kept on fighting when it looked like she'd lost.
Report caramba September 23, 2018 4:42 PM BST
Sloane extends her losing streak in Asia to 0-7
Report wisewords September 23, 2018 4:48 PM BST
Plain
Report caramba September 23, 2018 7:43 PM BST
Laver Cup has a very cool look with those dark grey courts and clear red and blue colors.
Report caramba September 23, 2018 7:45 PM BST
*shirt colors
Report caramba September 23, 2018 7:47 PM BST
website is nifty too. shame the concept as a whole has too many flaws.
Report n88uk September 23, 2018 8:06 PM BST
Maybe should have posted here instead:

I see Team Europe mugging in Laver Cup. I saw on like Fri they were something silly like 1/12 outright on 365 when I saw it on scoreboard. Given the format meaning it's all on Sunday seems muggery really. The first day doesn't even matter really.
Report n88uk September 23, 2018 8:07 PM BST
I actually saw Rothenberg yday saying that points format is one of the best things about Laver Cup and appealing as it means the final day matters, and that's a problem in Davis Cup that often Sunday is cut short or meaningless.

Don't really get this mentality though. In this format Friday is basically meaningless instead (though of course not totally in reality), but most importantly it removes any sporting meaning to the ties, when some are weighted more than others for no reason.

You feel like the only reason this was done too is because it keeps it competitive when on paper it isn't.
Report n88uk September 23, 2018 8:10 PM BST
365 still go 2/9 Europe so guess it's not panic stations yet, though I wouldn't touch that with a barge pole.

World just have to win 2/3 singles and looks very doable looking at them. Nick "king of exho's" Kyrgios vs Djokovic in last match for starters.
Report caramba September 23, 2018 8:12 PM BST

Sep 23, 2018 -- 2:07PM, n88uk wrote:


I actually saw Rothenberg yday saying that points format is one of the best things about Laver Cup and appealing as it means the final day matters, and that's a problem in Davis Cup that often Sunday is cut short or meaningless.Don't really get this mentality though. In this format Friday is basically meaningless instead (though of course not totally in reality), but most importantly it removes any sporting meaning to the ties, when some are weighted more than others for no reason.You feel like the only reason this was done too is because it keeps it competitive when on paper it isn't.


Yes. Typical American to like this points format, they always try to make games exciting down to the final whistle. Nothing in other sports is as silly as this though. And yes to your last sentence.

Report caramba September 23, 2018 8:12 PM BST
It's not an exho, didn't you hear Zverev? :)
Report n88uk September 23, 2018 8:13 PM BST
I don't know how you can say it with a straight face and not see the obvious flaw though. It wants to be a serious competition, the scoring is not the scoring any serious competition would use, it's very much an exhibition scoring.

And yes I posted the Zverev clip lol. Zverev fined for that imo.
Report n88uk September 23, 2018 8:14 PM BST
Given the surface is quick too, that theoretically probably favours like all of the worlds players in todays matches.
Report n88uk September 23, 2018 8:16 PM BST
https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg/status/1043217576258621446

Responses mostly agree. I think the idea it rips off fans/TV is laughable though.
Report caramba September 23, 2018 8:17 PM BST
Of all the silly things Ben has said, this might have been the 2nd most silly.
Report n88uk September 23, 2018 8:18 PM BST
Rothenberg's Ryder Cup comparison is so weak too. There isn't more weight in Ryder Cup it's just because it's singles, so there's more points on offer. Also it's nothing like this anywway. Ryder Cup is day 1, 8 points, day 2, 8 points, day 3 12 points I think? This, the doubles World just won is worth as much as the 3 singles Europe won on Friday.
Report n88uk September 23, 2018 8:19 PM BST
Also Rothenberg's idea the whole sport is contrived I don't agree with either. The best drama in the sport is not contrived at all.
Report caramba September 23, 2018 8:21 PM BST
Was just gonna shoot that argument of his into pieces, but had to look up RC scoring first. So what you said.
Report n88uk September 23, 2018 8:22 PM BST
https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg/status/1043230376766976000

This is interesting btw re: what we were discussing the other day about longevity of the Laver Cup.

He's made a number of Tweets about Laver Cup last few days of course. One thing you have to say the crowd is impressive. Especially as the tickets are unbelievably expensive. I didn't click into the links, but I saw last week people saying cheap seats at Laver Cup were $350! Sounds outrageous lol.
Report caramba September 23, 2018 8:22 PM BST
What RC does is fine, if DC and Laver Cup could do something similar (to avoid final day being only dead rubbers), I would be ok with that.
Report n88uk September 23, 2018 8:24 PM BST
Ryder Cup lends itself better as the chances of it being so 1 sided that it's over before Sunday are very unlikely. Closer matched teams, and even when they aren't, it's golf matchplay, you can't be that dominant in golf matchplay vs a tennis match.
Report caramba September 23, 2018 8:24 PM BST

Sep 23, 2018 -- 2:22PM, n88uk wrote:


https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg/status/1043230376766976000This is interesting btw re: what we were discussing the other day about longevity of the Laver Cup.He's made a number of Tweets about Laver Cup last few days of course. One thing you have to say the crowd is impressive. Especially as the tickets are unbelievably expensive. I didn't click into the links, but I saw last week people saying cheap seats at Laver Cup were $350! Sounds outrageous lol.


:D good for them. It will work as long as Federer plays (maybe it's a prestige thing to attend like Wimbledon CC).

Report n88uk September 23, 2018 8:28 PM BST
It does seem weird though, how many exho's ;) all the slams and organisations are investing in. So many conflict of interests coming in.

I didn't post but there's reports in Telegraph this week that Pique's organisation want another exho on top. What's the tour gonna be in 3 years, just a bunch of exhibitions?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2018/09/20/tennis-poised-new-majesty-cup-tournament-winner-takes-pot-75mprize/

,

This sounds a horrendous idea to me though just from the format.
Report n88uk September 23, 2018 8:31 PM BST
ATP cannot be happy what is going on. The sheer volume of these events represents a real threat to them.

There's 2 other articles on Telegraph this week, but they're on premium so I can't read them in full. One is how tennis is ripe for a breakaway from the top players. And the other is Federer saying he will work with Nadal and Djokovic to sort tennis out (which almost sounds like a breakaway in itself).

ATP have to be a little worried. I've often thought these things sound unlikely, but you've got a lot of powers at be investing in various projects atm which jeopardise their product. The slams themselves are investing or supporting a number of these projects (though they aren't united, all behind different projects lol) which again has to be a worry.
Report differentdrum September 23, 2018 8:33 PM BST
Crazy watching Pliskova and Osaka back. The 'statue' hasn't come out of second gear moving the lumbering Osaka around the court. Osaka has made countless unforced errors - isn't that supposed to be Pliskova's bag - and her body language is terrible. You would think she had lost 10 matches in a row. Where does this kind of reversal come from?

Looking at tomorrow's Wuhan match ups given the Quebec debacle it wouldn't be the biggest surprise if Suarez turned over Sabalenka. Now that Gavrilova appears to playing her doubles after, rather than before her match she should be able to take out Ostapenko. That is unless Ostapenko reinvents herself overnight. It seems anything is possible in WTA world.
Report n88uk September 23, 2018 8:35 PM BST
Gavrilova sucks imo and the type of player Ostapenko thrives on. Wouldn't read into last week, wouldn't surprise me if Ostapenko tanked once the rain one and she got most screwed of all by the schedule.
Report n88uk September 23, 2018 8:35 PM BST
Wuhan also is relatively quicker surface by standards these days.
Report n88uk September 23, 2018 8:41 PM BST
Ben Rothenberg
@BenRothenberg
2m2 minutes ago
Another Laver Cup thought: this event’s ability to be a pop-up success in multiple places is an argument against World Tour Finals stating in London indefinitely, right?


This has never been the argument though has it. The reason it stays in London is the only places that will pay more the crowds would be a big concern. London just happens to be perfect blend of money from corporate sponsors, and a great location for fans given it's accessibility to Europe from where nearly all the qualifiers always are.
Report wisewords September 23, 2018 10:14 PM BST
Federer v Isner is very intense in this exhibition thing!
Report wisewords September 23, 2018 10:16 PM BST
John Isner gubbed

1.10              £134
1.11              £10
1.14             £406
1.15             £2,711
1.16             £285
1.17             £2,339
1.18             £435
1.19             £1,140
1.2             £6,365
1.21             £10,515
Report differentdrum September 23, 2018 10:27 PM BST
Not going on last week although I wouldn't dismiss it either. Right now you couldn't rely on Ostapenko to beat anyone. I assume the serve will be as dodgy as ever and the game as one dimensional as ever. It doesn't matter how fast the court is if you can't hit the ball into it.

Neither player in great shape but Gavrilova taking Sabalenka to match point is by far the best recent form. If she can handle Sabalenka then Ostapenko should be an easier task.
Report wisewords September 23, 2018 11:06 PM BST

Sep 23, 2018 -- 2:17PM, caramba wrote:


Of all the silly things Ben has said, this might have been the 2nd most silly.


I find Ben's overall tone and the way he replies to people who disagree with him pretty unbearable.

Report wisewords September 23, 2018 11:09 PM BST

Sep 23, 2018 -- 2:22PM, n88uk wrote:


https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg/status/1043230376766976000This is interesting btw re: what we were discussing the other day about longevity of the Laver Cup.He's made a number of Tweets about Laver Cup last few days of course. One thing you have to say the crowd is impressive. Especially as the tickets are unbelievably expensive. I didn't click into the links, but I saw last week people saying cheap seats at Laver Cup were $350! Sounds outrageous lol.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhmT5n9VQAAKAeV.png

Report wisewords September 23, 2018 11:24 PM BST

Sep 23, 2018 -- 2:31PM, n88uk wrote:


ATP cannot be happy what is going on. The sheer volume of these events represents a real threat to them.There's 2 other articles on Telegraph this week, but they're on premium so I can't read them in full. One is how tennis is ripe for a breakaway from the top players. And the other is Federer saying he will work with Nadal and Djokovic to sort tennis out (which almost sounds like a breakaway in itself).ATP have to be a little worried. I've often thought these things sound unlikely, but you've got a lot of powers at be investing in various projects atm which jeopardise their product. The slams themselves are investing or supporting a number of these projects (though they aren't united, all behind different projects lol) which again has to be a worry.


Slams know they can't change their format to best of 3 because there will be too much opposition to it. So by investing in other stuff which could then become super popular, they're investing in things that could eventually replace Grand Slam tennis or force traditionalists to compromise regarding altering the format of Grand Slam singles tournaments

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