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Wesdag
10 Sep 18 14:13
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Who's there to stop him?

Fed not getting any younger.

Rafa realistically will only win Roland Garros.

Djoker seriously competitive on all surfaces & seems to back to his best form.

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By:
wisewords
When: 10 Sep 18 14:17
A fresh Nadal can give him a run for his money, but I see where you're coming from. Novak was supreme in the 2nd week, especially the destructions of Nishikori in the SF and Del Potro in the F
By:
Wesdag
When: 10 Sep 18 14:54
I'm a big Rafa fan, but unless on clay, he always seems to come up short v Djoker.
By:
wisewords
When: 10 Sep 18 15:13
Everyone going into Aus Open fresh will be very interesting. The likes of Nadal and Federer were going into the US Open off the back of trying hard the full year. Maybe Federer less so with him skipping the clay season actually.

A Nadal v Djokovic final in Australia would be epic
By:
Wesdag
When: 10 Sep 18 15:31
With hopefully a different outcome to last time they met in the Aussie final.
By:
mafeking
When: 12 Sep 18 11:52
signs that the tank is starting to run empty for federer. another 4 months older surely massive at his age. been said before i know but think i'll be surprised if he wins another slam even given the utter hopelessness of the younger players
By:
johnnyrant
When: 20 Sep 18 08:07
Rafa seems to consistently break down over 2 weeks of a hard court Slam which I think makes Oz Open tough for him but would never discount him. French Open is going to be harder for him in next couple of years with the rise of Thiem plus Djokovic a factor again. For Rafa to get to 20 he's going to need to magic a Slam win somewhere else outside of RG & I think Wimbledon might be his best chance - I'm pretty sure he would have beaten Djokovic this year if the match was played outdoors. He was a victim of ridiculous Wimbledon scheduling & even more ridiculous rules of a match starting under the roof must end under the roof unless both players consent to playing it outdoors. Djokovic knew an indoor match gave him a crucial edge. Can't see Fed winning another Slam so if Djokovic can stay fit he may well end up with the most Slams out of the 3 imho.
By:
Wesdag
When: 21 Sep 18 15:26
Yep, good summary.
By:
bb66
When: 23 Sep 18 07:30
Djoker will overtake Nadull, but not reach Fed's 20, he would have taken the most without his 2 years off track
By:
n88uk
When: 30 Sep 18 11:50
Won't be easy to catch either. Nadal will surely add to his total. Djokovic isn't that young anymore, he will have to win like 2-3 slams a year for next few years to catch them, and I think that's probably unlikely. In theory it sounds plausible, but injuries will kick in at this stage of career, he won't be super dominant like 2015 anymore imo.
By:
caramba
When: 30 Sep 18 11:52
and Thiem or Zverev could break through for real.
By:
n88uk
When: 30 Sep 18 11:53
There's also that Djokovic plays a very grinding game that relies on having super stamina to grind opponents into oblivion over his career. Much harder to do that once you start getting into your 30s consistently.
By:
wisewords
When: 30 Sep 18 13:29
Looks like Roger will hold on to the title of most slams won
By:
brain dead jockeys
When: 11 Oct 18 16:22
joko will overtake feds 20..........
By:
Wallflower
When: 21 Oct 18 12:46
Hope he does - it would be the end the GOAT discussion - most slams and winning records against both (which presumably would be extended).

May not be the majority view - but think all playing at their pinnacle, Djokovic is actually the best imo - unbeatable - years
ago I was on the wrong end of him financially and disliked him because of it. Had to come the earth-shattering conclusion in the big big games - Djoko had to be my man.
By:
johnnyrant
When: 28 Jan 19 14:11
Fed 20, Rafa 17, Djoko 15. Only 1 winner for me from this point - Novak Grin
By:
Coachbuster
When: 11 Oct 20 18:53
the joker will have to get his skates on Mischief
By:
Angoose
When: 11 Oct 20 20:17
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.
Rafael Nadal is quite possibly the most ferocious competitor in the entire history of sport, he can certainly not be excluded from the discussion.

Just thank our lucky stats to have been around to witness an era of mens tennis when there have been three gladiators of sport pushing each other to greater and greater heights.
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 11 Oct 20 20:29
He's slam record is way too top heavy, take away his best slam he has 7 slams, take away Novak's best slam Australia he has 9, take away Wimbledon from Federer and he has 12.

in fact Nadal outside of the French Open has won just 2 slams in 7 years and he didn't beat either Fed/Novak in those 2.
By:
Wesdag
When: 12 Oct 20 11:32
True.

But can you imagine what the numbers would be if there were 2 clay court slams & 1 hard court slam?
By:
Coachbuster
When: 12 Oct 20 12:26
yep ,he could argue there aren't enough Clay  Grin   


I think Djokovic will see Rafa off in atleast 3 more slams and Rafa will grab atleast one more at RG   ... but I think the gap is too big now ...   22 or 23  by Rafas retirement ? ...that record will probably last decades
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 12 Oct 20 13:56
Federer - 8 grass, 11 hard court, 1 clay
Novak - 5 grass, 11 hard court, 1 clay
Nadal - 2 grass, 5 hard court, 13 clay

I think this shows that Federer and Djokovic are more dynamic than Nadal as they're much more accomplished across different surfaces, if there were 2 slams on clay it would further highlight Nadal's limitations. These top spin forehands are far less effective on surfaces that don't grip and shoot the ball upwards
By:
SamuelMertensBertens
When: 12 Oct 20 14:00

Oct 12, 2020 -- 7:26AM, Coachbuster wrote:


yep ,he could argue there aren't enough Clay

By:
Coachbuster
When: 12 Oct 20 14:01
has there ever been a grass court specialist ?   that's something that could hold you in good stead ...just win every single Wimbledon
By:
Wesdag
When: 12 Oct 20 15:40

Oct 12, 2020 -- 8:56AM, scandanavian_haven wrote:


Federer - 8 grass, 11 hard court, 1 clayNovak - 5 grass, 11 hard court, 1 clayNadal - 2 grass, 5 hard court, 13 clayI think this shows that Federer and Djokovic are more dynamic than Nadal as they're much more accomplished across different surfaces, if there were 2 slams on clay it would further highlight Nadal's limitations. These top spin forehands are far less effective on surfaces that don't grip and shoot the ball upwards


You might have a slight point re Joker but remember, Fed has never beaten Nadal over 5 sets on clay whereas Nadal has beaten Fed on grass & hard courts.

By:
Wesdag
When: 22 Feb 21 14:11
Looks like Fed destined to be in 3rd spot quite soon.

At least that will quieten down the annual Federer BBC love-in called Wimbledon.
By:
Wesdag
When: 12 Jun 21 16:03
ttt
By:
stu
When: 13 Jun 21 11:06
Few years back and Djoker was dropping out of contention for consideration as a GOAT, even Murray was looking better - right back in it again now.
By:
stu
When: 13 Jun 21 11:10
Though a mad aspect is that he was actually 2-0 down in sets to a relative nobody, in this tournament where he has overcome Rafa on clay at last...Crazy
By:
stu
When: 13 Jun 21 17:44
2-0 down in another match, and still GOATing...
By:
tanglefoot
When: 13 Jun 21 18:27
Not sure how players such as Federer,Nadal,Djokovic and a year or two ago Murray,outlast younger players in the endurance stakes,although in the earlier sets they are level in tennis playing abilities
By:
Baulkline
When: 13 Jun 21 18:46
Doean't anyone on here notice how Djokovic employs his nasty gamesmanship in some matches.
It's an age old tactic of pretending you've given up trying to win the match. Only you haven't given up but you're
hoping your apponent thinks you have. And it's not just Tennis where you see it.
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 13 Jun 21 18:51
he's now played in more slam finals than Nadal, 2 behind Federer
By:
brain dead jockeys
When: 13 Jun 21 19:22
has won 7 of last 12 grand slams......nadal 4, thiem 1............no chance of roger winning another. nearly 40. has played no tennis in 18 months.
cant see rafa winning another US or AUS......thiem, zverev, medvedev and tsitsipas can all beat him on hardcourts. however rafa has a chance at wimbledon. may seem a strange thing to say but all those players i mentioned have done nothing at wimbledon yet. rafa has reached last 2 semis there. in last 17 years no one has won wimbledon outside of novak, rafa, roger, murray........latter 2 are not contenders. so its between rafa and novak. this is novaks chance to get to 20. there is plenty of competition on hardcourts. he is not guaranteed to rack up too many more USO's or aussies.
novak has every stat to say he is greater than roger except the 20 grand slams.......more masters (36-28). better h2h (27-23).......better grand slam h2h (11-6).......4-1 in grand slam finals........more weeks at number 1..........and HE HAS DONE THIS IN A MUCH TOUGHER ERA..........roger has lost all 3 wimbledon finals v novak. so if he wanted to be the goat, he had his chance but NOVAK BEAT HIM........novak only has this final grand slam stat to get over the goat line.
by the way......novak h2h v rafa is 30-28.......but in grand slam matched its 10-7 to rafa, 5-4 in finals to rafa.......thats the only stat that rafa has over novak. novaks mix of grand slams is much better. rafa too dependent on clay. 7 of his 10 beatings of novak in grand slams matches are on clay. novak also has 5 master final wins v 0 for rafa. its 36-36 in masters titles. roger might not even be the 2nd greatest plater ever.
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 13 Jun 21 19:51
if Novak wasn't disqualified from the US Open last year he'd be on 20 by now.
By:
brain dead jockeys
When: 13 Jun 21 20:24
scandanavian........there is plenty of competition on hardcourts and clay. wimbledon is going to be his main way of getting past 20. has won the last 2......no event last year....
By:
scandanavian_haven
When: 13 Jun 21 21:10
he's won 9 Aussie opens, all he has to do is stay fit til Rogers age and he'll sail past 20
By:
stu
When: 14 Jun 21 10:28
Baulkline13 Jun 21 18:46
Doean't anyone on here notice how Djokovic employs his nasty gamesmanship in some matches.


He does, but there's a couple of key issues with knocking him for that.

First, it's in no way illegal, he can play how he likes. Second, it can only happen when he's already been outplayed really, no point in going 2-0 down for no reason is there?
By:
stu
When: 14 Jun 21 10:29
...and I don't think his opponents usually fall for it anyway, he just naturally ups his game at these points IMO.
By:
Wesdag
When: 14 Jun 21 13:02
Great stats there bdj.

The "gamesmanship" accusation only occurs when he's played Murray. Funny that.

Weird that not maintaining an exceptionally high standard throughout a long match is talked of as gamesmanship.
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