Equal pay?

Ain't it a feckin' disgrace.

yep equal pay is an utter farce

Allow me to change your mind

The male players should ask for a reduction in their workload, by reducing the matches to 3 sets. Then demand an allowance if Wimbledon wants them to play two more sets.

It's a disgrace that two athletes who produced something as physically demanding as Anderson/Isner will get paid the same as two ladies playing out, most probably, a 2 set game and going home with the same money(if my understanding of the equal pay here is correct).

Anyone who is crying about the women getting paid the same as the men is an utter bell end

The principle behind any sport and any job is that the best should be paid the most
That’s men .

If we had women motorcycle racers in their own event at the Isle of Man TT for example should they be paid as much as the men ?
No

It’s an evolutionary principle , and if you try to take that away the standard and excitement and interest falls , in tennis , and in both men’s and women’s

Jul 14, 2018 -- 8:19AM, dlarssonf wrote:

Anyone who is crying about the women getting paid the same as the men is an utter bell end

care to explain why?

Jul 14, 2018 -- 8:19AM, dlarssonf wrote:

Anyone who is crying about the women getting paid the same as the men is an utter bell end

if you had a job and your hours of work were 9-5 but your female colleague on the next desk did the same job and received the same pay buy only had to work 9-2 what would you say?

men should receive less

and servebots should receive like 50% of what men receive

THIS WILL BE FAIR

also what is baszchinsky doing among those photos?

LFC I won't be getting into discussion with you because you are a troll

Grant , first all the women put as much effort in away from the court all year every year to be professional tennis players , it's not their fault they don't play best of five. They make as many sacrifice's from a junior to become a professional just as much as men.

Men sports and men have been promoted and dominated for centuries, while women are only getting a portion of the limelight now because they had to fight for every single thing.  If women and their sports had been pushed for centuries it would be the other way around. Women and men tennis players deserve the same pay just as much as say a man and woman driving a bus.  This five set argument is for idiots who are basically male chauvinistic pigs like for example Trump.

Their is a lot more to it than I just said but hopefully that's a start to get some even thinking logically

Women players are very lucky they chose tennis as their sport - there isn't equal pay in most other sports where they are clearly less capable of playing the game (as in tennis).

I wonder why it has only been in tennis this happened?

Women and men tennis players deserve the same pay just as much as say a man and woman driving a bus.

But a poor comparison surely, if the men drove the bus for four times longer....?

I always knew tennis was a woman's sport.

stu    14 Jul 18 11:12 
Women and men tennis players deserve the same pay just as much as say a man and woman driving a bus.

But a poor comparison surely, if the men drove the bus for four times longer....?

you have totally missed the point but not too surprising - Women aren't stopped from driving the bus four times longer. Just try think about that

They may not be stopped, but the simple fact is they don't play as long - I think you'd find any other employment would take account of that, as a comparison. That's undeniable.

This is all before we even consider the 'quality' issue too.

'quality' indeed. Unless you have a nutjob on court or the big four are playing against each other, ATP is dross.

If you applied the tennis argument across the board then women in gymnastics and figure skating would earn a greater share of the prize money as they generate far superior ratings in those sports. But this is not the case. Should we feel equally indignant about that?

I'd argue much easier to break into the women's game than the men's personally winning, but that is an open debate I'd agree.

I think women are very lucky they happen to chose tennis as their game, and not some other sport where flashing your bikini pics around doesn't get you noticed and sponsorships etc...

Mes, who is the honey in photos 7 and 12 ?

women in gymnastics and figure skating would earn a greater share of the prize money as they generate far superior ratings in those sports.

Says it all about tennis too, because it's the same reason, lol

Anyway stu, it sounds like you'd pay twice the price for a conservatory if it took twice as long for it to be built.

For the analogy to work the conservatory would be much bigger too...

You'd freeze your nuts off. Another winning argument for the girls.

Mes, who is the honey in photos 7 and 12 ?


both are Sorana

diarssonf I wasn’t in a discussion with you and I won’t be getting into one with you because you are not very intelligent
Thanks

Don’t allow yourself to believe anything else

Jul 14, 2018 -- 11:31AM, dlarssonf wrote:

LFC I won't be getting into discussion with you because you are a trollGrant , first all the women put as much effort in away from the court all year every year to be professional tennis players , it's not their fault they don't play best of five. They make as many sacrifice's from a junior to become a professional just as much as men.Men sports and men have been promoted and dominated for centuries, while women are only getting a portion of the limelight now because they had to fight for every single thing.  If women and their sports had been pushed for centuries it would be the other way around. Women and men tennis players deserve the same pay just as much as say a man and woman driving a bus.  This five set argument is for idiots who are basically male chauvinistic pigs like for example Trump.Their is a lot more to it than I just said but hopefully that's a start to get some even thinking logically

utter bollo.x

men train much, much harder than females because the men's game is much more competitive and mentally as well as physically draining.

add to that the much, much higher level of play and they should merely receive twice as much money as the women.

but dudes from sweden do not seem to care for realism.

he's not Swedish.

anyone notice it was men who rescued the football team and coach in Thailand ?
British MEN , yes
Ok it was a man who got them into the fix in the first place : )

So stop talking rubbish about equal opportunities , we have that now
That is not the same thing as equal pay , understand ?

Djoko - Nadal was reason enough to justify much higher prize-money for the men, they keep drawing the crowds and are therefore to be paid much much more money

mesmerised    14 Jul 18 14:25 
he's not Swedish.


I'm better of ignoring them Mes

Jul 14, 2018 -- 2:22AM, detraveller wrote:

The male players should ask for a reduction in their workload, by reducing the matches to 3 sets. Then demand an allowance if Wimbledon wants them to play two more sets. It's a disgrace that two athletes who produced something as physically demanding as Anderson/Isner will get paid the same as two ladies playing out, most probably, a 2 set game and going home with the same money(if my understanding of the equal pay here is correct).

Never going to happen. Best of 5 helps all the top players by protecting them against upsets, why would they support a move that makes them more likely to lose.

Jul 14, 2018 -- 12:09PM, stu wrote:

Women players are very lucky they chose tennis as their sport - there isn't equal pay in most other sports where they are clearly less capable of playing the game (as in tennis).I wonder why it has only been in tennis this happened?

There is a link here though. A top female athlete is much more likely to choose tennis as that's where the money is, for men that's not true, more options, thus less likely to choose tennis which is far less attractive than many other sports to men.

It's for this reason imo you see the American women do much better than men these days. America produce probably the most top athletes in the world, but more of the women are going to get into tennis than men are, as the like of NFL, basketball, whatever are better options for men as there's a bigger chance of making it.

And its prize money, not pay. If women have negotiated prize money that pisses off the great unwashed, I'm all for it.

Like every event that moved to joint event men and women has benefited from far greater revenue and prize money increases than the events that are stand alone, a point often ignored. Fans like the choice and opportunity.

The only exceptions to this are the events not being run as a business so like Doha or wherever.

serena got paid more than than big john isner did and look at the difference in effort levels

Imagine the howls of protest if the situation was reversed: Men playing best of three, Women best of 5!

You can only imagine the uproar the other way around rogg....

2 names will explain why after 27 hours of mens semis and 37 mins of a womans final...they get equal pay...

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Jul 14, 2018 -- 5:09PM, n88uk wrote:

Jul 14, 2018 --  1:22AM, detraveller wrote:The male players should ask for a reduction in their workload, by reducing the matches to 3 sets. Then demand an allowance if Wimbledon wants them to play two more sets. It's a disgrace that two athletes who produced something as physically demanding as Anderson/Isner will get paid the same as two ladies playing out, most probably, a 2 set game and going home with the same money(if my understanding of the equal pay here is correct).Never going to happen. Best of 5 helps all the top players by protecting them against upsets, why would they support a move that makes them more likely to lose.

Yes. But if you think the pay isn't fair, you should refuse the extra work instead of demanding to get paid for the extra work. Women did what they could to help themselves. Men can do that too if they want. There's no point whining about why someone else is being paid the same when she goes home early. You are the idiot putting in long hours and not asking for more pay. You can't control other people's salaries, but you can control your own.

None of the men with influence are likely to do that, just won't go anywhere and won't be worth it. You work to make the pie bigger, not take a bigger slice of the pie from others.

And they will get there way there. AO already pledged to raise prize money 100% in 5 years, and they want more, and whatever they get, the other slams will follow suit as they won't want to be left behind. Like how when USO pledged to do this last time, all the other slams pretty much followed suit causing the last huge raises in prize money.

Jul 14, 2018 -- 6:36PM, GRANTCKING wrote:

serena got paid more than than big john isner did and look at the difference in effort levels

But this is perfect example why you aren't paid by the hour. Isner spent a load of hours on court, but in reality most viewers just wanted to see him off court in the hours he is on it, there will be very little interest in Isner servefests even at 20-20 in the 5th.

larsson you argument is so illogical and your inability to grasp the crystal clear logic of several posters that i can only assume you are either an economist, a lawyer or a politician. in any event i am fairly sure you have no training in any mathematical subject.

Jul 14, 2018 -- 8:19AM, dlarssonf wrote:

Anyone who is crying about the women getting paid the same as the men is an utter bell end

100%

this sexism can not stand dude

It says a lot that in the two sides of the views, the equal money side mostly just shout words like sexism or insults. While the other side have clearly pointed out the facts that distinguish the men's game from the women's.

girls photos is a strong argument also

How gendecist of them to make the women fly economy.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44965630?