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caramba
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other thread was mugging, so I'm trying a new one.

The final Slam of the year is upon us, unfortunately with the weakest field for a Slam in forever: no Djokovic, no A Murray, no Wawrinka, no Raonic, no Nishikori, no Serena, no Azarenka and no Zvonareva. At least Sharapova is back, so that's something and maybe USTA can still get some tickets sold. On a positive note, all the withdrawals leave room for some young players to step up, which is badly needed especially on the men's side. It's very likely we get a new women's no. 1 since Ka Pliskova is defending a final here from last year. Weather forecast for this event is promising.
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Report wisewords September 9, 2017 3:17 AM BST
come on n88uk, you know it makes sense. who's going to win tomorrow; Keys or Stephens?
Report caramba September 9, 2017 3:17 AM BST

Sep 8, 2017 -- 9:12PM, n88uk wrote:


Could be if Sloane is in the team. Dunno who US will even name.


luxure problem for them, but I don't see how they can dump Coco when she's been the anchor of the team (4-0 record this year in Fed Cup)?.

Report n88uk September 9, 2017 3:17 AM BST
Because Keys isn't that good against backboards.

Who did she do that against exactly? Against Kanepi and CoCo who are slow big hitters, perfect match ups for Keys.
Report wisewords September 9, 2017 3:18 AM BST

Sep 8, 2017 -- 9:17PM, caramba wrote:


Sep  9, 2017 --  3:12AM, n88uk wrote:Could be if Sloane is in the team. Dunno who US will even name.luxure problem for them, but I don't see how they can dump Coco when she's been the anchor of the team (4-0 record this year in Fed Cup)?.


BMS can't play now, so swap her for Sloane.

Report edy September 9, 2017 3:18 AM BST
#BringBackLiezelHuber
Report betting_masta September 9, 2017 3:18 AM BST
sloane could crack nuts with her thighs
Report Angela Rebecchi September 9, 2017 3:19 AM BST
wise, who do you think wins? Keys or Stephens?
Report wisewords September 9, 2017 3:19 AM BST
n88uk, again; Keys or Stephens? please.
Report wisewords September 9, 2017 3:19 AM BST

Sep 8, 2017 -- 9:19PM, Angela Rebecchi wrote:


wise, who do you think wins? Keys or Stephens?


I really don't know, sorry.

Report n88uk September 9, 2017 3:19 AM BST
Keys will have to play balls tomorrow, something she didn't really last 2 matches, but Stephens will get balls back.

Also the factor I said yesterday that Keys has no b) game, if this become a nervous affair it's advantage Stephens because when you are nervous it's much easier to be a backboard, than it is to blast winners left, right and centre.
Report wisewords September 9, 2017 3:20 AM BST
but you think Keys wins, right?
Report wisewords September 9, 2017 3:21 AM BST
edy already told us the other day that Keys wins too.
Report Angela Rebecchi September 9, 2017 3:21 AM BST
If Keys is on like she was yesterday she can 1-2 punch a lot of her service games. Though if she plays like she did for large patches against Elina then she will be in a spot of bother.
Report n88uk September 9, 2017 3:21 AM BST

Sep 8, 2017 -- 9:17PM, caramba wrote:


Sep  9, 2017 --  3:12AM, n88uk wrote:Could be if Sloane is in the team. Dunno who US will even name.luxure problem for them, but I don't see how they can dump Coco when she's been the anchor of the team (4-0 record this year in Fed Cup)?.


Tough one. Playing CoCo can be a mistake. I mean we're assuming Vika players, if she doesn't they're gonna win regardless. But I can easily see CoCo mugging, but tbh I can see all of them mugging to Sasnovich tbh. Belarus are gonna need Vika playing well though to have a chance really. If Vika is playing well she can easily pick up 3 points alone, she's a far better doubles player than Keys, Stephens, CoCo are.

Report edy September 9, 2017 3:22 AM BST
Is Govortsova still playing tennis or is she a professional lip model now?
Report n88uk September 9, 2017 3:23 AM BST
But it's virtue of who you are playing. Elina gets balls back. CoCo is a poor returner with an average backhand and average movement. CoCo wants to play that 1-2 punch game, but it's just worse than Keys' version hence why she loses.
Report n88uk September 9, 2017 3:23 AM BST
Still playing tennis I think.
Report wisewords September 9, 2017 3:23 AM BST
aaron thinks Keys too, so does n88uk.
Report wisewords September 9, 2017 3:24 AM BST
so that's decided. everyone who knows says Keys wins.
Report edy September 9, 2017 3:24 AM BST
I think n88 said Sloane has the advantage
Report betting_masta September 9, 2017 3:24 AM BST
sloane will win.
Report n88uk September 9, 2017 3:24 AM BST
Belarus will need a miracle if Vika doesn't play. Hopefully she plays semantically too because I have a lot of Belarusians super looking forward to this on Twitter, and it will be sad for them if it's like 0-5.
Report wisewords September 9, 2017 3:24 AM BST
I didn't hear that. You must have misheard.
Report wisewords September 9, 2017 3:26 AM BST
Rafa v Kevin final happened.
Report n88uk September 9, 2017 3:26 AM BST

Sep 8, 2017 -- 9:24PM, n88uk wrote:


Belarus will need a miracle if Vika doesn't play. Hopefully she plays semantically too because I have a lot of Belarusians super looking forward to this on Twitter, and it will be sad for them if it's like 0-5.


They also I'm pretty sure haven't had a chance to see Vika play either.

Report Angela Rebecchi September 9, 2017 3:27 AM BST
Keys should win if she brings her A game then Sloane has no answers. Sure Sloane is a good returner but when Keys ups it she's too good for anyone atm, bah Serena and Garbine. That string of games against Elina was brutal, and her last 2 rounds have been breath taking. I'm not saying lump on at 1.5, I'll leave it thanks but Keys is rightly favourite.
Report edy September 9, 2017 3:27 AM BST
Has Belarus chosen a surface yet?
Report wisewords September 9, 2017 3:28 AM BST
Amazing court.
Report n88uk September 9, 2017 3:28 AM BST
That's hypotheticals though. Keys isn't Serena, Keys is a ue machine a lot. She is generally terrible against backboards because she can't construct points, she can only blast the ball.

Price on Keys is woeful.
Report wisewords September 9, 2017 3:28 AM BST
Amazing crowd.
Report wisewords September 9, 2017 3:28 AM BST
Very important.
Report n88uk September 9, 2017 3:29 AM BST
Yer indoor hard, I know name of arena but forget it Edy.
Report wisewords September 9, 2017 3:29 AM BST

Sep 8, 2017 -- 9:28PM, n88uk wrote:


That's hypotheticals though. Keys isn't Serena, Keys is a ue machine a lot. She is generally terrible against backboards because she can't construct points, she can only blast the ball.Price on Keys is woeful.


Yeah but forget about what the price is. Who WINS?

Report n88uk September 9, 2017 3:29 AM BST
Hopefully it's -50 in Minsk, that will be a culture shock for the Californian Americans obv.
Report Angela Rebecchi September 9, 2017 3:29 AM BST
How would you guys price it up?
Report wisewords September 9, 2017 3:29 AM BST

Sep 8, 2017 -- 9:29PM, n88uk wrote:


Hopefully it's -50 in Minsk, that will be a culture shock for the Californian Americans obv.


Sloane would think that was so disgusting, imo.

Report wisewords September 9, 2017 3:30 AM BST

Sep 8, 2017 -- 9:29PM, Angela Rebecchi wrote:


How would you guys price it up?


Madison Keys 1.49

Report n88uk September 9, 2017 3:30 AM BST
Nadal is 22-3 in grand slam SF's that has to be pretty much the best record ever surely?
Report n88uk September 9, 2017 3:30 AM BST
Keys 1.8.
Report Angela Rebecchi September 9, 2017 3:30 AM BST

Sep 8, 2017 -- 9:30PM, wisewords wrote:


Sep  9, 2017 --  3:29AM, Angela Rebecchi wrote:How would you guys price it up?Madison Keys 1.49


So you think Keys is 66% fav wise, interesting. Earlier you said you didn't know...

Report wisewords September 9, 2017 3:31 AM BST
You asked me how I would price it up if I was a bookmaker.
Report Angela Rebecchi September 9, 2017 3:31 AM BST
wise you've lost faith in Sloane, only 33% chance you think ! still 33% can win !
Report wisewords September 9, 2017 3:31 AM BST
Pricing has nothing to do with faith.
Report Angela Rebecchi September 9, 2017 3:32 AM BST
All faith, lost.
Report Angela Rebecchi September 9, 2017 3:32 AM BST
Tongue Out
Report wisewords September 9, 2017 3:32 AM BST
Not a bit of it.
Report n88uk September 9, 2017 3:32 AM BST

Sep 8, 2017 -- 9:30PM, n88uk wrote:


Nadal is 22-3 in grand slam SF's that has to be pretty much the best record ever surely?


Federer is 29-13 for comparsion.

Nadal's record sounds absolutely absurd.

Report Angela Rebecchi September 9, 2017 3:32 AM BST
Should be a great match. Surely you are fearful of a Keys display like 3rd set Elina or last two matches. That would have been easily good enough to beat Sloane.
Report wisewords September 9, 2017 3:33 AM BST
LETS GO BEST COAST!
Report mesmerised September 9, 2017 3:33 AM BST
The problem with Stephens in this match up is that she likes to build up play before she puts balls away, she will have far less time to do that against someone like Keys, so she will have to hope Keys is nervous and isn't firing, which tbh, is more likely to happend the other way round, Sloane is much more of a confidence player.

She also just beat Venus, and will inevitably suffer from JBABS, just like Sevastova did after her Sharapova win.
Report edy September 9, 2017 3:33 AM BST

Sep 8, 2017 -- 9:30PM, n88uk wrote:


Nadal is 22-3 in grand slam SF's that has to be pretty much the best record ever surely?


Robin Söderling is unbeaten in slam SFs

Report mesmerised September 9, 2017 3:34 AM BST
And when SS does return it will have to be with interest otherwise she's a sitting duck and then live off of her UE's.
Report wisewords September 9, 2017 3:34 AM BST
mesmerised

look at this .
Report wisewords September 9, 2017 3:34 AM BST
this is a full stop.

please use it a bit more often. thank you.
Report n88uk September 9, 2017 3:34 AM BST
If Stephens wins, that won't be what happens though. If Stephens wins it will be because Keys makes too many errors.
Report mesmerised September 9, 2017 3:35 AM BST
just said that at 3.34
Report n88uk September 9, 2017 3:35 AM BST
Stephens 1st serve is fine and not easy to attack, her 2nd serve the other night looked a point to worry about.

Living off ue's is fine when your opponent is Keys, most players beat her by living off her ue's. Keys has no base game to lean back on, if the errors are flowing there's nothing she can turn to.
Report Angela Rebecchi September 9, 2017 3:36 AM BST

Sep 8, 2017 -- 9:33PM, mesmerised wrote:


The problem with Stephens in this match up is that she likes to build up play before she puts balls away, she will have far less time to do that against someone like Keys, so she will have to hope Keys is nervous and isn't firing, which tbh, is more likely to happend the other way round, Sloane is much more of a confidence player.She also just beat Venus, and will inevitably suffer from JBABS, just like Sevastova did after her Sharapova win.


Sloane is going to need Keys not to be firing as she did Elina set 3, or last 2 matches. She will need Keys to be spraying errors. Lord knows Keys can do that but recently she's been lights out which would be too good for Sloane or anyone, bah Serena or Garbine.

Report Angela Rebecchi September 9, 2017 3:36 AM BST

Sep 8, 2017 -- 9:35PM, mesmerised wrote:


just said that at 3.34


Exactly !

Report n88uk September 9, 2017 3:37 AM BST
You way overrate Keys, she isn't *that* good. This is someone who was struggling with Vesnina a week ago. Just because she played 2 sitting ducks perfect match ups for her doesn't change that. She defo will not win easily tomorrow.
Report wisewords September 9, 2017 3:37 AM BST
8:30PM FOR THE WOMEN'S FINAL.
Report n88uk September 9, 2017 3:38 AM BST
Is that start time. I thought it was normally 4pm local?
Report Angela Rebecchi September 9, 2017 3:38 AM BST
Her A game is definitely too good for the rest of them, but she brings it together so infrequently until recently. Be very interesting to see tomorrow. It could truly go either way, hoping for a decent 3 set drama filled battle !
Report Angela Rebecchi September 9, 2017 3:38 AM BST
2100 start surely?
Report wisewords September 9, 2017 3:38 AM BST

Sep 8, 2017 -- 9:38PM, n88uk wrote:


Is that start time. I thought it was normally 4pm local?


ES coverage begins 8:30pm UK time.

Report wisewords September 9, 2017 3:39 AM BST
so 30 mins build up. don't wanna miss that obv.
Report Angela Rebecchi September 9, 2017 3:39 AM BST

Sep 8, 2017 -- 9:37PM, wisewords wrote:


8:30PM FOR THE WOMEN'S FINAL.


Surely it's 1600 East Cost time KO (not 1530), so 2100 BST. The program on ES will start 30 mins prior is that what you're referencing to?

Report wisewords September 9, 2017 3:39 AM BST
Laugh
Report wisewords September 9, 2017 3:39 AM BST
YES THAT IS WHAT I'M REFERENCING
Report wisewords September 9, 2017 3:40 AM BST
LETS GO BEST COAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Report Angela Rebecchi September 9, 2017 3:40 AM BST
Cool
Report Angela Rebecchi September 9, 2017 3:41 AM BST
17 hours until the match of truth and justice !
Report n88uk September 9, 2017 3:45 AM BST
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJP85fyXkAQcblA.jpg
Report mesmerised September 9, 2017 3:46 AM BST
It's almost worthless predicting  scorelines as a lot of this is dependant on nerves, nobody can predict how two slam final debutants will react but knowing them both, Sloane looks the more nervous type.

64 63 keys.
Report caramba September 9, 2017 4:03 AM BST

Sep 8, 2017 -- 9:45PM, n88uk wrote:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJP85fyXkAQcblA.jpg


Laugh
will need to put this in the emoticon thread later.

Report nofx September 9, 2017 1:47 PM BST
I couldn't get through 3 sentences of this or wanted to but may be you're interested

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/sep/09/maria-sharapova-failing-drug-t...
Report nofx September 9, 2017 1:47 PM BST
ffs

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/sep/09/maria-sharapova-failing-drug-test-felt-trapped-tricked
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Report n88uk September 9, 2017 8:42 PM BST
Lay Keys. Woeful price.
Report detraveller September 9, 2017 8:44 PM BST
Si Patron
Report morrillo September 9, 2017 9:00 PM BST
Sloane or Keys?
Report jin_kazz September 9, 2017 9:03 PM BST
should be a proper mugfest
Report tof September 9, 2017 9:28 PM BST
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Report tinyelf54 September 9, 2017 9:30 PM BST
n88 is 1.05 to give us an insight into their early lives and lifelong friendship and road back from injuryCrazy
Report tinyelf54 September 9, 2017 9:30 PM BST
bahahahahaha
Report edy September 9, 2017 9:49 PM BST
Only two unforced errors for Sloane and we're in the ninth game.
Report n88uk September 9, 2017 9:54 PM BST
Thing is it's one of the few times I advocate playing as a backboard. Keys doesn't beat backboards. Look at her record vs Woz, Halep and so on, it's dreadful. She always makes a ue eventually in a few shots. And you will always get plenty of errors as there's no plan b) coming from Keys.
Report tinyelf54 September 9, 2017 9:55 PM BST
what is sloanes current ranking?
Report wisewords September 9, 2017 9:57 PM BST
LETS GO BEST COAST!
Report wisewords September 9, 2017 10:17 PM BST
Sloane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report morrillo September 9, 2017 10:18 PM BST

Sep 9, 2017 -- 3:55PM, tinyelf54 wrote:


what is sloanes current ranking?


22 she will be 17 after this http://live-tennis.eu/en/wta-live-ranking

Report morrillo September 9, 2017 10:18 PM BST
Sloane's tennis has been outrageous all tourno
Report tinyelf54 September 9, 2017 11:20 PM BST
n88 wouldn't answer me, was it something i said? bahahahahaha
Report tinyelf54 September 9, 2017 11:21 PM BST
oh didn't see the answer it hadn't shown up for me yet until i posted
Report tinyelf54 September 9, 2017 11:22 PM BST
wiseword's girl did it!!!!, congratulations to wise and sloane
Report Mike-lfc September 10, 2017 12:29 AM BST
backed Racing Club half time. 0-0 NAP
Report Mike-lfc September 10, 2017 12:34 AM BST
how the **** did he miss that?
Report Mike-lfc September 10, 2017 12:43 AM BST
FFS CROWD STARTED CHEERING
Report jin_kazz September 10, 2017 1:14 AM BST
yo mike, u still alive?
Report tof September 10, 2017 9:06 PM BST
why do they have that huge bit of toilet tissue covering the court..?
Report tof September 10, 2017 10:14 PM BST
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