New Posts For Thread: Velotti - Molchanovhttps://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/30431465/velotti---molchanovOnly turned this on two games ago, but seriously, what is going on here?Scores wrong? Market wrong? Just totally corrupt?Molchanov SP sub 2, is trading anywhere between 4 and 10 while a set up. WTF is this?Don't agree with this. If you can get 10k on at 1.10 which is the price during the first set despite Velotti losing it, you win £1k. Were you to wait for the correct price at maybe 6s, you'd have won £60k isntead. Massive difference.There was a mathttps://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/30431465/velotti---molchanov?post_id=543408621#543408621Don't agree with this. If you can get 10k on at 1.10 which is the price during the first set despite Velotti losing it, you win £1k. Were you to wait for the correct price at maybe 6s, you'd have won £60k isntead. Massive difference.There was a matTue, 03 Feb 2015 16:19:44 -0600they can say whatever they want, but im sure betfair also lost money on this.https://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/30431465/velotti---molchanov?post_id=543402635#543402635they can say whatever they want, but im sure betfair also lost money on this.Tue, 03 Feb 2015 10:55:30 -0600Of course they do. Organisations can't go around making allegations of fixing without proof (hence why major publications never touch match fixing issues with a barge pole).Technical problems is totally different, people taking advantage of a fault Bhttps://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/30431465/velotti---molchanov?post_id=543402007#543402007Of course they do. Organisations can't go around making allegations of fixing without proof (hence why major publications never touch match fixing issues with a barge pole).Technical problems is totally different, people taking advantage of a fault BTue, 03 Feb 2015 10:20:07 -0600so betfair needs proof of the match being fixed..???!??come on.. just the suspicious of being fixed alone should be more than enough to void the betsthey void bets for technical problems once and a while and youre telling me they wont void a market thttps://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/30431465/velotti---molchanov?post_id=543401923#543401923so betfair needs proof of the match being fixed..???!??come on.. just the suspicious of being fixed alone should be more than enough to void the betsthey void bets for technical problems once and a while and youre telling me they wont void a market tTue, 03 Feb 2015 10:11:45 -0600Well if you know your bet will win, why does it matter what the price is ultimately. If it's a 100% sure thing, the price doesn't matter. On Betfair, do Betfair even really care where the bets are coming from, they're just happy to have more bets tohttps://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/30431465/velotti---molchanov?post_id=543401853#543401853Well if you know your bet will win, why does it matter what the price is ultimately. If it's a 100% sure thing, the price doesn't matter. On Betfair, do Betfair even really care where the bets are coming from, they're just happy to have more bets toTue, 03 Feb 2015 10:07:27 -0600I'd love to know how much of the turnover was due to bot-trading (either Arbs with bookies or taking prices that would be seen as 'value' in a normal match)?I doubt BF will refund bets as it's not really in their best interest to set a precedent befohttps://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/30431465/velotti---molchanov?post_id=543401765#543401765I'd love to know how much of the turnover was due to bot-trading (either Arbs with bookies or taking prices that would be seen as 'value' in a normal match)?I doubt BF will refund bets as it's not really in their best interest to set a precedent befoTue, 03 Feb 2015 10:00:33 -0600The reason no-one voids is because a dodgy betting pattern alone isn't proof in the eyes of the law that a match was fixed. Proving match fixing in a court of law is notoriously expensive and difficult. For bookmakers it's probably even worse, becaushttps://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/30431465/velotti---molchanov?post_id=543401751#543401751The reason no-one voids is because a dodgy betting pattern alone isn't proof in the eyes of the law that a match was fixed. Proving match fixing in a court of law is notoriously expensive and difficult. For bookmakers it's probably even worse, becausTue, 03 Feb 2015 09:59:43 -0600Betfair have only been offering challengers for so long, and beforehand didn't because of integrity issues, cases like this will inevitably result in a lot of disgruntled punters asking for their money back, not that they would get it here, and resulhttps://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/30431465/velotti---molchanov?post_id=543401075#543401075Betfair have only been offering challengers for so long, and beforehand didn't because of integrity issues, cases like this will inevitably result in a lot of disgruntled punters asking for their money back, not that they would get it here, and resulTue, 03 Feb 2015 09:08:49 -0600Injury reason is one thing but it doesn't make sense since Velotti shortened throughout losing the first set. I think ww is right and it was simply greed. Wonder how many people joined in who weren't in on the fix to shorten the price.https://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/30431465/velotti---molchanov?post_id=543400799#543400799Injury reason is one thing but it doesn't make sense since Velotti shortened throughout losing the first set. I think ww is right and it was simply greed. Wonder how many people joined in who weren't in on the fix to shorten the price.Tue, 03 Feb 2015 08:45:26 -0600betfair knows exactly what was going on on the match. It was just too much obvious not to know.They cannot just close their eyes and let this thing pass by, because if they do, its the same thing as showing a white flag for corruption, saying it is Ohttps://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/30431465/velotti---molchanov?post_id=543400465#543400465betfair knows exactly what was going on on the match. It was just too much obvious not to know.They cannot just close their eyes and let this thing pass by, because if they do, its the same thing as showing a white flag for corruption, saying it is OTue, 03 Feb 2015 08:26:53 -0600