New Posts For Thread: Jo-Wilfried Tsonga v Milos Raonichttps://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/29261537/jo-wilfried-tsonga-v-milos-raonicIs this going to be streamed? Wanna seeI think Llodra is simply a quitter. Maybe he quits a bit more against Tsonga as he doesn't fancy his chances anyway and wants to save them both the trouble. You however also sometimes have to look at the circumstances. E.g. last time out in Indian Wehttps://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/29261537/jo-wilfried-tsonga-v-milos-raonic?post_id=522506633#522506633I think Llodra is simply a quitter. Maybe he quits a bit more against Tsonga as he doesn't fancy his chances anyway and wants to save them both the trouble. You however also sometimes have to look at the circumstances. E.g. last time out in Indian WeWed, 01 Aug 2012 14:14:40 -0500Who was cheering Tsonga on yesterday? Llodra. Let's have a look at their match history. Tsonga 5-0. Llodra retired three times. Do you not think that suggests anything? Llodra has played 620 career matches, 29 retirements. So, doesn't it strike you ahttps://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/29261537/jo-wilfried-tsonga-v-milos-raonic?post_id=522500377#522500377Who was cheering Tsonga on yesterday? Llodra. Let's have a look at their match history. Tsonga 5-0. Llodra retired three times. Do you not think that suggests anything? Llodra has played 620 career matches, 29 retirements. So, doesn't it strike you aWed, 01 Aug 2012 11:06:52 -0500But seriously, look into that. Instead of looking simply at nationalities, put some subtlety and work into it to look at players who went to academies together from a young age, players who are friends, players who grew up together, players who mighthttps://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/29261537/jo-wilfried-tsonga-v-milos-raonic?post_id=522497819#522497819But seriously, look into that. Instead of looking simply at nationalities, put some subtlety and work into it to look at players who went to academies together from a young age, players who are friends, players who grew up together, players who mightWed, 01 Aug 2012 09:52:58 -0500SoA has a point but I have often wondered about how much of a cognitive bias do we suffer from. For example, French players have a reputation for choking so when a French player does that I just reinforce my beliefs, regardless of the fact that chokihttps://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/29261537/jo-wilfried-tsonga-v-milos-raonic?post_id=522497693#522497693SoA has a point but I have often wondered about how much of a cognitive bias do we suffer from. For example, French players have a reputation for choking so when a French player does that I just reinforce my beliefs, regardless of the fact that chokiWed, 01 Aug 2012 09:48:59 -0500Aha, I think what you mean could simply be caused by players growing up together and e.g visiting the same academies from a young age and being bffs.Funnily there's Vinci against Pennetta, who at one point might've or might not have decided to alternhttps://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/29261537/jo-wilfried-tsonga-v-milos-raonic?post_id=522497407#522497407Aha, I think what you mean could simply be caused by players growing up together and e.g visiting the same academies from a young age and being bffs.Funnily there's Vinci against Pennetta, who at one point might've or might not have decided to alternWed, 01 Aug 2012 09:41:06 -0500how do you know all the "in and outs" of this alleged matchfixing? Or is it only your own take of things that you confuse with factual information?https://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/29261537/jo-wilfried-tsonga-v-milos-raonic?post_id=522496817#522496817how do you know all the "in and outs" of this alleged matchfixing? Or is it only your own take of things that you confuse with factual information?Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:25:38 -0500Even Murray throwing matches in the UAE because he wanted to prepare for Indian Wells is match fixing. He stated this was what he did, publicly. He knew in advance that they would not win - people who bet on him did not.https://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/29261537/jo-wilfried-tsonga-v-milos-raonic?post_id=522496637#522496637Even Murray throwing matches in the UAE because he wanted to prepare for Indian Wells is match fixing. He stated this was what he did, publicly. He knew in advance that they would not win - people who bet on him did not.Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:21:03 -0500Most match fixing is not for financial gain, I think. It is for reciprocal agreements between the players' teams, for crowd entertainment, for rankings. It is still match fixing, it still affects my betting. And the probability of it being between plhttps://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/29261537/jo-wilfried-tsonga-v-milos-raonic?post_id=522496423#522496423Most match fixing is not for financial gain, I think. It is for reciprocal agreements between the players' teams, for crowd entertainment, for rankings. It is still match fixing, it still affects my betting. And the probability of it being between plWed, 01 Aug 2012 09:17:10 -0500So, let's say there was this belgian player who has retired now. He was never really in love with the sport, was only in it for the money especially late in his career. Said player had some pretty darn funny scores, more than most eastern europeans chttps://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/29261537/jo-wilfried-tsonga-v-milos-raonic?post_id=522496179#522496179So, let's say there was this belgian player who has retired now. He was never really in love with the sport, was only in it for the money especially late in his career. Said player had some pretty darn funny scores, more than most eastern europeans cWed, 01 Aug 2012 09:12:40 -0500'lose this game, make a profit, next time, when you play this other player, he'll let you win' etc.Do you think that the fact that some 'lucky losers' lose their qualifying matches so that players they have links with can qualify for a tournament ishttps://community.betfair.com/tennis/go/thread/view/94186/29261537/jo-wilfried-tsonga-v-milos-raonic?post_id=522495975#522495975'lose this game, make a profit, next time, when you play this other player, he'll let you win' etc.Do you think that the fact that some 'lucky losers' lose their qualifying matches so that players they have links with can qualify for a tournament isWed, 01 Aug 2012 09:06:35 -0500