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timbuctooth
15 Nov 13 14:23
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Never heard of three of the runners
From what I know of the rest, few of them can win
From what I know of Joey Essex, he can`t win

At the same type of prices,pre-show, as any of the more obvious winners like Stacey Solomon. The nation knew and loved Stacey, the nation neither knows nor loves Mr. Essex. These prices are either the best value lay of all time, or I`m about to be mugged off by TPTB. Don`t care, value is value and, being on something of a roll at the moment, I`ve taken the plunge and gone max-red.

So, TPTB, manipulators, insiders, ITV career planners,and you, Mr. 12,000 man:  BRING IT ON!!!
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Report timbuctooth November 22, 2013 8:21 PM GMT
Unfortunately the exact same things that told me Charlotte couldn`r win CBB!
Nothing more informed or insightful than the fact that TOWIE and other such programmes don`t have a great history of throwing up winners. Even amongst their fellow cast members Charlotte, and now Joey, are both full-on extreme examples of their type. If `ordinary` TOWIE types can`t win, how would the worst ones win?
So, a pre-show 2.5 looked a screaming lay. At a perceived value price, I would have backed him
As I said in my OP, the main fear was help from TPTB, which has duly arrived. In bundles. So blatantly that, instead of being annoyed, I can`t help myself from laughing at it.
Assuming I`ve done my dough, but far from giving up hope.
Report geos1 November 22, 2013 8:54 PM GMT
I've seen a lot of towie and joey is easily the best character,also seen him on celebrity juice and you can see how popular he is.i thought he was a good thing to win this and as it stands I think davis is the only serious challenger,but anything can happen.looks like tptb are lining up joey for his own show after this finishes.
headlines in the sun today.SUICIDE MUM IS WATCHING OVER JOEY.
if he doesn't win with all the help he's getting it'll be a shock ,gl it ain't over till the fat lady sings
Report attitude adjuster November 22, 2013 8:58 PM GMT
what story will they do next thursday?
Report RMB © November 22, 2013 9:29 PM GMT
It's bizarre way to segment things. Lucy Goodgyear or whatever her name was was seen as a fat wanabree tramp, Mark Wright was seen as an egotistical tosspot, Joey Essex has a monster fanbase and is hugely popular with the masses.
Report timbuctooth November 22, 2013 9:55 PM GMT
As a betting strategy, possibly. I`m not sure, though, that it`s  bizarre to group all TOWIE members as a certain cardboard cut-out`type` All interchangeable  indistinguishable non-entities for me.
Report timbuctooth November 27, 2013 10:15 PM GMT
Go Kian! Go anybody!
Report squares November 27, 2013 10:16 PM GMT
much better show when it's not dominated by Joey
Report timbuctooth November 27, 2013 10:18 PM GMT
Dare we believe the prods might have realised that? There`s hope, at least.
Report J.O.TOBIN. November 27, 2013 10:53 PM GMT
Just off the phone to the wife. She thought Kian was great tonight she actually enjoyed the show, did say Lucy isnt very nice. Could be one for the dirty each way thievesWinkWink
Report attitude adjuster November 27, 2013 11:04 PM GMT
mrs aa just said the same about Kian

she liked the way he hugged his wife MischiefTongue Out
Report timbuctooth November 27, 2013 11:05 PM GMT
Indeed!
Report timbuctooth November 27, 2013 11:06 PM GMT
My reply to JOT

Kian had a blinder.
Report J.O.TOBIN. November 27, 2013 11:13 PM GMT
This Morning poll tommo will be interesting if indeed they have one.
Report hemsby November 27, 2013 11:20 PM GMT
Kian's just hit the front on TM poll.
Report bearcub November 27, 2013 11:25 PM GMT
#Reem
Report mach November 28, 2013 2:21 PM GMT
A lot of expensively bought joey green is for sale, the price will drift to evens soon.


1.68 - £114   
1.69 - £1017   
1.71 - £1344
Report LendUsAFiver November 28, 2013 2:36 PM GMT
Flip Flop within 7 days imho
Report LendUsAFiver November 28, 2013 2:38 PM GMT
The guy is a pillock and a fake and even ITV are subtly showing it now.
Report attitude adjuster November 28, 2013 2:53 PM GMT
He doesn't have the naked ambition that Mark Wright had.

He knew the game and made sure he was in the thick of everything.

Joey's complete lack of personality/vocabulary means the prods have to look elsewhere to construct an entertaining show.
Report five leaves left November 28, 2013 3:20 PM GMT
Personality of a lettuce. Or was it a cabbage..
Report LendUsAFiver November 28, 2013 4:42 PM GMT
2million twitter fans now know what a fake he is or will continue to use him as a role model...it could go either way.
Report five leaves left November 28, 2013 5:04 PM GMT
Amy Childs had well over a million when she came 4th in CBB
Report LendUsAFiver November 28, 2013 5:06 PM GMT
nice, this just goes to show how unreliable twitter followers is. They seem to think that a retweet constitutes a vote.
Report timbuctooth November 29, 2013 10:32 PM GMT
What is it we say?

#reem?
Report five leaves left November 29, 2013 10:36 PM GMT
#reemb
Report bearcub November 29, 2013 10:46 PM GMT
He won't post again now

#supereem
Report GeorgeBrush November 29, 2013 10:51 PM GMT
#reemb
Report five leaves left November 29, 2013 10:54 PM GMT
#bitslowGB
Report RMB © November 30, 2013 6:55 PM GMT
#wellream Cool
Report thehoffisback December 5, 2013 4:22 PM GMT
Johnny Essex is primed to win in recent polls indicating he is streets ahead of his rivals
Report LendUsAFiver December 5, 2013 4:24 PM GMT
wouldn't back against Essex this year.
Report RMB © December 5, 2013 4:27 PM GMT
#wellseek Love
Report timbuctooth December 6, 2013 10:15 PM GMT
#neverindoubtreem
#fakerumbledreem
#loveitreem
Report DickyM December 6, 2013 10:18 PM GMT
well done tim. Lukey boy next Wink
Report mach December 6, 2013 10:18 PM GMT
well done Tim, did you sit on your Joey red?
Report squares December 6, 2013 10:19 PM GMT
nice work timbo
Report DickyM December 6, 2013 10:26 PM GMT
Fred of the year nom
Report five leaves left December 6, 2013 10:26 PM GMT
#wdtim
Report timbuctooth December 6, 2013 10:29 PM GMT
Thanks boys.
After the first week, all looked lost, and I gave up on it, assumed another max red loss, too late to get out of in any sensible way. In effect, laying him was only a 4/6 winner, so no big deal really, but always pleasing to see fakes and liars fully exposed.

Come on Luke!!!
Report RMB © December 6, 2013 10:30 PM GMT
1.41    £3       
1.42    £3        £200
1.43    £3        £1,650
1.44    £3        £1,692
1.45    £3        £1,079
1.46    £3        £3,177
1.47    £633        £2,241
1.48    £3        £2,785
1.49            £1,649
1.50    £73        £2,964
1.51    £3        £2,598
1.52    £3        £1,471
1.53            £2,565
1.54    £18        £2,815
1.55            £2,277
1.56            £2,866
1.57            £1,827
1.58    £3        £5,042
1.59            £2,621
1.60    £3        £7,000
1.61    £22        £3,166
1.62            £5,082
1.63    £6        £7,420
1.64            £5,372
1.65    £3        £4,620
1.66            £5,330
1.67    £3        £2,081
1.68            £2,950
1.69            £1,476
1.70    £3        £3,544
1.71            £7,355
1.72    £21        £5,538
1.73    £30        £4,512
1.74            £5,456
1.75            £5,661
1.76            £5,597
1.77            £3,625
1.78    £3        £5,280
1.79            £3,769
1.80    £6        £7,638
1.81    £3        £3,523
1.82            £5,212
1.83            £3,811
1.84    £3        £2,497
1.85    £3        £6,730
1.86            £3,832
1.87    £3        £3,290
1.88            £2,323
1.89            £3,342
1.9            £14,699
1.91            £2,725
1.92            £1,496
1.93            £458
1.94            £1,321
1.95            £2,272
1.96    £2        £3,738
1.97            £3,190
1.98            £2,460
1.99            £1,343
2            £2,484
2.02            £896
2.04            £561
2.06            £777
2.08            £1,329
2.1            £4,216
2.12            £3,663
2.14            £3,329
2.16            £1,386
2.18            £809
2.2            £3,363
2.22            £577
2.24            £635
2.26            £644
2.28            £742
2.3            £983
2.32            £923
2.34            £469
2.36            £2,459
2.38            £8,065
2.4            £14,361
2.42            £4,139
2.44            £22,939

#creepyseek

Love
Report kellydamo December 6, 2013 10:31 PM GMT
Got Joey at 60s tonight not bad work
Report popking December 6, 2013 10:37 PM GMT
Well done Tim.
Report GeorgeBrush December 6, 2013 10:47 PM GMT
Triffic wdt
Report GeorgeBrush December 6, 2013 10:48 PM GMT

Dec 6, 2013 -- 10:29PM, timbuctooth wrote:


Thanks boys. After the first week, all looked lost, and I gave up on it, assumed another max red loss, too late to get out of in any sensible way. In effect, laying him was only a 4/6 winner, so no big deal really, but always pleasing to see fakes and liars fully exposed.Come on Luke!!!


He's called Kian Wink

Report J.O.TOBIN. December 6, 2013 10:53 PM GMT
Well done tim, deffo came up short when it mattered, theres a lot of potential pitfalls for shorties in this and he had the perfect storm tonight. His friendship/allegence to Amy cost him dear in the end.
Report hemsby December 6, 2013 10:56 PM GMT
I've only just worked out the thread title spells TOWIE Blush

N1 tim.......Cool
Report RMB © December 6, 2013 11:00 PM GMT
Hope your quicker than that when your whizzing people around London town in your black cab sunny Laugh
Report timbuctooth December 6, 2013 11:03 PM GMT
Well done, hemsby. After three weeks you`re the first to spot how clever I was!
Report bearcub December 6, 2013 11:46 PM GMT
Far to cryptic for this forum Blush
Report GeorgeBrush December 6, 2013 11:49 PM GMT

Dec 6, 2013 -- 11:03PM, timbuctooth wrote:


Well done, hemsby. After three weeks you`re the first to spot how clever I was!


give over, just couldn't be arsed Laugh

Report timbuctooth December 6, 2013 11:50 PM GMT
#aftertimer!
Report five leaves left December 7, 2013 12:22 AM GMT
#admitstonotnoticing
Report scampi December 7, 2013 12:50 AM GMT
#bestthreadtitleeverwithoutstars
Report timbuctooth December 7, 2013 1:09 AM GMT
#thanks
Report cnman December 7, 2013 2:12 AM GMT
Rumours on Twitter that Joey's number was jammed Shocked

Pretty sure people always say this when there's a shock
Report George Bailey December 7, 2013 2:23 AM GMT
Rumours on twitter that the twitterati don't vote they just tweet
Report Cider December 7, 2013 8:24 AM GMT
Never before seen the forum so excited about an odds-on winner Laugh
Report timbuctooth December 7, 2013 1:50 PM GMT
I did point that out, Cider.
I don`t think it`s the financial side that people are happy about, more the fact that TPTB have failed miserably in what must have been the most concerted ramping of a no-mark ever seen in Specials. And that really is saying something. Put it down as `one for the good guys`, ie. us lot.
Report attitude adjuster December 7, 2013 1:54 PM GMT
fantastic stuff tim

totally agree...he was an empty vessel.

sick Happy
Report LendUsAFiver December 7, 2013 3:19 PM GMT
think one of the ITV directors has done his nuts on this market.
Evil Controlling Producers and Sheep 0, The Rest of Us 1
Report Cider December 7, 2013 4:34 PM GMT
Predicting producer influence is the biggest battle now in these markets. imho there's no point in moaning about it (not directing at tim). It is pleasing when they don't get what they want, however.

Who knows why, but there were clear signals Joey was being given up on by the prods. Did they run out of decent footage, did they only care about building interest around him at the top of the show. Was he underperforming in the vts. Keen was being given great edits for some time, which wouldn't have happened if all they cared about was Joey winning.
Report Henry VIII December 7, 2013 4:39 PM GMT
I imagine Joey was getting boring? Anyway probably combination of that and press criticism that it was becoming the Joey show. They would have thought it wasn't worth jeopardizing a mainstream ITV show for a future ITV2 show that may not even take off.
Report five leaves left December 7, 2013 4:40 PM GMT
As always making a good show that people watch is their 1st priority
3 weeks of Joey and there was a danger they'd lose viewers
Unlike say Stacey he just re-enforced his stereotype as a simpleton
Report Cider December 7, 2013 4:45 PM GMT
The first line is debatable for me, Fig. XF for example seems to be entertainment is secondary to the result at times.
Report Henry VIII December 7, 2013 4:46 PM GMT
XF is produced by SyCo.
Report Cider December 7, 2013 4:47 PM GMT
There's only one reason for a song-off on xf this week, and it isn't for entertainment purposes (if it happens)
Report Henry VIII December 7, 2013 4:48 PM GMT
IAC is produced by ITV.
Report Cider December 7, 2013 4:50 PM GMT
Promotion of a chosen one is definitely a strategy on IAC. The last three haven't won tho, winning isn't the be all and end all on that format it seems.
Report Cider December 7, 2013 4:57 PM GMT
Generally, I suspect what happens on these shows is that they decided what they want the outcome to be, sit round a table and then try to design a decent show around that. There may be an over-riding mission from the EP.
Report George Bailey December 7, 2013 5:02 PM GMT
TPTB obviously thought they could base the show around Joey but when they realised he had had run out of steam and the GBP were bored with him they cut him adrift.

For me Lucy has been the enigma this year. P1ss poor edit...evictees all saying they loved her...GBP kept voting for her.I'm a strong believer in the GBP en masse getting it right every time despite TPTB of any specials show trying to con them.  Plenty of examples. The final three here are the right three too.
Report five leaves left December 7, 2013 5:20 PM GMT
OK, not always cider, but generally all they are interested in is pushing their favoured candidates as much as they can and then leaving it up to the public.
If they go too far, as they did with Jedward on XF or driving John Sergeant off Strictly and trying to nobble Chambers, then they lose viewers.

Ashley a prime example of someone they wanted to push on this, by giving her lots of coverage and the narrators role. Ultimately though they weren't going to leave out great coverage for Charlie, like the Kiki moments. Because it was good tv.
If all they cared about was Ash winning then they would have. Or given it less airtime at least
Report Cider December 7, 2013 5:31 PM GMT
What we don't see on IAC is the cutting floor footage (although we often get a glimpse on Now!) for instance Steve collapsing would have 'entertaining' in any context, but they chose to leave it out. There's also the manipulation of the trials and tasks. For example Keen's phone number put in the hardest place to find deliberately I'd imagine.
Report squares December 7, 2013 5:41 PM GMT
Ones wonders when celebs are taken ill in these shows, whether they are involved in a discussion whether it gets shown or not; iirc these incidents mostly don't get shown so maybe it's a bit of a "rule" that they tend not to be or the celebs are even asked pre show.
Report squares December 7, 2013 5:42 PM GMT
Not sure than I want to see people collapsing, and wouldn't want people to see me collapsing.
Report bearcub December 7, 2013 5:46 PM GMT
we wouldn't either Squares Wink

Unless it was really funny Laugh
Report J.O.TOBIN. December 7, 2013 5:47 PM GMT
Agree Cider it is  a gentle manipulation used to create narratives do feel a bit sorry for Lucy in the way she has been portrayed, but viewers rewarded her by vanquishing her nemesis Amy. I can tolerate these levels of manipulation but X Factor crosses the line time and time again saw my uncle (in his 70s) in town even hes telling me its a fix. You can get away with it sometimes but each time they are alienating a few more of their viewers.
Viewing figs for SCD up IACGMOOH up X Factor down year after year. It might be the format is getting tired but the arrogance of production really does beggar belief.
Hopefully Cowell will go through a review and sort the mess out.
Report five leaves left December 7, 2013 5:58 PM GMT

Dec 7, 2013 -- 5:42PM, squares wrote:


Not sure than I want to see people collapsing, and wouldn't want people to see me collapsing.


They showed Gillian collapsing Laugh

Report bearcub December 7, 2013 6:00 PM GMT
I think it was in her contract that she demanded all her collapses be shown
Report Cider December 7, 2013 6:02 PM GMT
Amy made out to be some kind of criminal by the prods, who must have 'allowed' her to have all the 'contraband'. Originally used to show her in a good light, then a bad light when she had served her purpose. Lucy had 'contraband' which she didn't give up originally either, which was conveniently forgotten.

Whether producing a good show, or producing the right result is very much a grey area for me. The order they are eliminated on IAC I would estimate is pretty much mapped out beforehand.
Report George Bailey December 7, 2013 6:03 PM GMT

Dec 7, 2013 -- 6:00PM, bearcub wrote:


I think it was in her contract that she demanded all her collapses be shown


As it is with Natalie's

Report Cider December 7, 2013 6:08 PM GMT
Gillian's was on the live trial
Report squares December 7, 2013 6:25 PM GMT
was just going to say, wasn't Gillian's live?
Report five leaves left December 7, 2013 6:26 PM GMT
True. They took great pleasure in repeating it a number of times though Grin
Report squares December 7, 2013 6:28 PM GMT
once it's been seen, it's been seen but obviously they like to show that sort of thing so suggests things have happened they've been unable to show.

OT Pete Beale looking old on Pointless Celebs.
Report five leaves left December 7, 2013 6:29 PM GMT
Oh. I was watching CDWM. The guy in glasses must be related to Lou Grin
Report J.O.TOBIN. December 7, 2013 6:35 PM GMT
Watching CDWM too you just want to smack him one he has been badly exposed though.
Report squares December 7, 2013 6:37 PM GMT
just flicked over - wac
Report five leaves left December 7, 2013 6:42 PM GMT
I did agree with him on tattoos. I'm not sure I would have said it in the way he did though
Report bearcub December 7, 2013 6:42 PM GMT
Last Cry

Poor Gregg
Report five leaves left December 7, 2013 6:45 PM GMT
The veggie won Grin ...and blimey Pete Beale does look old
Report five leaves left December 7, 2013 7:02 PM GMT
'Barry' is a bright guy. Or excellent at general knowledge anyway. Didn't he win celeb mastermind?
Report squares December 7, 2013 7:03 PM GMT
he's good at singing and pop knowledge too.
Report squares December 7, 2013 7:03 PM GMT
nowhere near as daft as he looks
Report five leaves left December 7, 2013 7:06 PM GMT
Not as good at singing as TPT Love
Report popking December 7, 2013 7:07 PM GMT
Well he is an intelligent guy, and they will probably win with Charles the wrestler.

I played Orlando in As You Like It at college lol.
Report five leaves left December 7, 2013 7:07 PM GMT
Just looking at wiki, he did win an edition of celeb mastermind
Report George Bailey December 7, 2013 7:11 PM GMT
Thought he was on celebrity chase as well? Very erudite. Has he been on a specials?...#waitsforforumridicule
Report popking December 7, 2013 7:12 PM GMT
Been on a few, Comic Relief does Fame Academy maybe the most memorable.
Report Platini December 7, 2013 8:45 PM GMT
just saw the news about Joeywhathisname


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Santa has delivered LaughLaughLaughLaugh


Reality TV sheep, Twitterati, celebrity mag readers, etc,etc...

YOU'RE BOY TOOK A HELL OF A BEATING

CoolCoolCoolCoolCool
Report Jim Duncan December 11, 2013 2:06 AM GMT
...very late in adding to this thread, but late as they say is better than never and so I also say very well done Tim and mighty clever title ~ nice one :cool:]
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