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donny osmond
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any palace fans into this sort of meerkat ?

shirley there must be at least one with ear to ground

good ere innit



pulis ?
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Report donny osmond November 18, 2013 1:14 PM GMT
good here innit
Report Horangi. November 18, 2013 1:19 PM GMT
Surprised Millen not getting backed at all, surely has to be the emergency to the end of the year guy and not Dowie.
Report Darlo Bantam November 18, 2013 1:19 PM GMT
Back out to evens. How much money can one market burn?
Report Horangi. November 18, 2013 1:31 PM GMT
C'mon Dyche, hope Palace board comes to their senses. Excited

Saw Holloway wrote a glowing piece on Dyche in his weekly column on the weekend.
Report ShirleyKnot November 18, 2013 2:51 PM GMT

Nov 18, 2013 -- 1:14PM, donny osmond wrote:


good here innit


Indeed me old mucker Love

Report Horangi. November 18, 2013 3:06 PM GMT
Romanian source claiming Agent Mulder staying with Dinamo, says he was only offered a deal to the end of the year though.  Not sure how reliable this is.
Report Horangi. November 18, 2013 3:16 PM GMT
Ian Dowie must be waiting by the phone anxiously. Tongue Out
Report wisewords November 18, 2013 3:23 PM GMT
what's going on here? Petrescu matched huge money down to 1.07.. and now back out to above evens Laugh
Report Horangi. November 18, 2013 3:35 PM GMT
Palace board embarrassing themselves, that's what's going on.
Report nigelpm1 November 18, 2013 5:20 PM GMT
Got the big man sat at 2.06 again.
Report Horangi. November 18, 2013 5:39 PM GMT
Looks like Dan is still the man for Palace.  Wonder how long Palace intends to beg Dinamo to reduce their price.
Report nigelpm1 November 18, 2013 5:42 PM GMT
If he is - the insider has played a blinder potentially.  Getting price back to evens.
Report Horangi. November 18, 2013 5:48 PM GMT
You talking about the guy who offered thousands at 1.10?
Report Horangi. November 18, 2013 6:13 PM GMT
Gica Popescu (friend/agent?) on Romanian tv seems to have said Petrescu isn't going to Palace.  Can't quite tell with the translator though! lol  Says he personally advised against it as well, claims he spoke with Petrescu very recently.
Report nigelpm1 November 18, 2013 6:38 PM GMT
Indeed and one person backing him - time to lay
Report Horangi. November 18, 2013 6:45 PM GMT
That one block held up the move out.  Either very informed or clueless. 

Guy saying now Dinamo wanted him to stay three more games before their break.  Palace will probably wait, what's another month? lol
Report nigelpm1 November 18, 2013 6:50 PM GMT

Nov 18, 2013 -- 6:45PM, Horangi. wrote:


That one block held up the move out.  Either very informed or clueless.  Guy saying now Dinamo wanted him to stay three more games before their break.  Palace will probably wait, what's another month? lol


Indeed. I took most of it FWIW so you can certainly argue that the layer was clueless as well ;-)

Report Horangi. November 18, 2013 6:51 PM GMT
Mick McCarthy getting attention.  Damn it, Dyche still gets no love.
Report nigelpm1 November 18, 2013 6:51 PM GMT
They can't wait another month IMVHO.
Report Horangi. November 18, 2013 6:54 PM GMT
Sure hope not.  They should just name Dyche and everybody goes home happy.
Report nigelpm1 November 18, 2013 6:56 PM GMT

Nov 18, 2013 -- 6:54PM, Horangi. wrote:


Sure hope not.

Report Horangi. November 18, 2013 6:58 PM GMT
Millen must really not want it because you'd have to think in most cases by now they've would've just given it to him for the season.
Report nigelpm1 November 18, 2013 6:59 PM GMT

Nov 18, 2013 -- 6:58PM, Horangi. wrote:


Millen must really not want it because you'd have to think in most cases by now they've would've just given it to him for the season.


I'm surprised Dowie is still 6+ given Pulis has reported also said no.

Report Horangi. November 18, 2013 7:00 PM GMT
Palace board really seems to care how the fans will react, Dowie has been sounded out and been given as resounding a no as Coleman.

Random twitterer claims Pulis agents in fresh talks tonight.
Report Horangi. November 18, 2013 7:04 PM GMT
Market madness in progress, board trying to figure out a favorite now. Crazy
Report nigelpm1 November 18, 2013 7:08 PM GMT
Petrescu will be back 1.1 again - mark my words
Report Horangi. November 18, 2013 7:15 PM GMT
Based on the eager money still wanting to back Petrescu it seems very plausible.
Report nigelpm1 November 18, 2013 7:17 PM GMT
someone seems eager to swing it around
Report timbuctooth November 18, 2013 7:19 PM GMT
What a mad few minutes!
Report Horangi. November 18, 2013 7:21 PM GMT
Coppell: "never say never"... Surprised
Report nigelpm1 November 18, 2013 7:22 PM GMT

Nov 18, 2013 -- 7:19PM, timbuctooth wrote:


What a mad few minutes!


minutes...minutes... don't you mean weeks! ;-)

Report timbuctooth November 18, 2013 7:34 PM GMT
You`re right, nigel, weeks of  utter madness. The best one ever?
Report nigelpm1 November 18, 2013 7:40 PM GMT

Nov 18, 2013 -- 7:34PM, timbuctooth wrote:


You`re right, nigel, weeks of

Report nigelpm1 November 18, 2013 7:40 PM GMT
looking like it
Report nigelpm1 November 18, 2013 7:53 PM GMT
Mick McCarthy - guess he's as good as anyone
Report Horangi. November 18, 2013 8:01 PM GMT
Was almost eager to leave for Ireland, probably no different for Palace if they approach.
Report nigelpm1 November 18, 2013 8:03 PM GMT

Nov 18, 2013 -- 8:01PM, Horangi. wrote:


Was almost eager to leave for Ireland, probably no different for Palace if they approach.


yeah, very large backer at 7 - could well be spoofer - always hard to know

Report Horangi. November 18, 2013 8:04 PM GMT
Got matched nicely at 7's already and has just reloaded.
Report nigelpm1 November 18, 2013 8:09 PM GMT

Nov 18, 2013 -- 8:04PM, Horangi. wrote:


Got matched nicely at 7's already and has just reloaded.


ludicrous unless it's ITK - obviously

Report Horangi. November 18, 2013 8:13 PM GMT
Was he and Dyche's name that were thrown out in the papers a couple nights ago.
Report nigelpm1 November 18, 2013 8:15 PM GMT
Someone messing around - 5.6k there now
Report Horangi. November 18, 2013 8:16 PM GMT
Fascinating sequence there.  Don't know what on earth to make of that movement.
Report nigelpm1 November 18, 2013 8:17 PM GMT

Nov 18, 2013 -- 8:16PM, Horangi. wrote:


Fascinating sequence there.

Report nigelpm1 November 18, 2013 8:17 PM GMT
A spoofer for sure
Report Horangi. November 18, 2013 8:19 PM GMT
took a decent amount at 7's though before he programming blew up. lol
Report nigelpm1 November 18, 2013 8:21 PM GMT

Nov 18, 2013 -- 8:19PM, Horangi. wrote:


took a decent amount at 7's though before he programming blew up. lol


I had some of it but yeah plenty of takers to lay

Report Horangi. November 18, 2013 8:22 PM GMT
35,000+ block just flashed a couple times for McCarthy at 14.5.  ffs
Report nigelpm1 November 18, 2013 8:23 PM GMT

Nov 18, 2013 -- 8:22PM, Horangi. wrote:


35,000+ block just flashed a couple times for McCarthy at 14.5.

Report nigelpm1 November 18, 2013 8:23 PM GMT
someone pratting around - make it so obvious
Report nigelpm1 November 18, 2013 8:32 PM GMT
and now back at 8 on the other side - teaching everyone a lesson in how to lose money fast
Report nigelpm1 November 18, 2013 9:58 PM GMT
How many games has Millen been in charge now?
Report Horangi. November 18, 2013 10:08 PM GMT
Three. 

At this point I think Palace may be forced to go with a stop gap appointment as its getting late in the game and its going to be very difficult to get a real manager in under these circumstances (relegation bound, would appear 10th choice, etc).

So Millen/Coppell/Warnock is I think where they be forced to go.  Avram Grant was backed at the start of this market, not very popular but same type.  Course Dowie same mold but his appointment compared to the first three wouldn't go down well at all.
Report nigelpm1 November 18, 2013 11:41 PM GMT
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/dan-petrescus-crystal-palace-mov...
Report Froggitt November 19, 2013 9:45 AM GMT
McCleish the undoubted expert in guiding teams to relegation
Report Horangi. November 19, 2013 1:29 PM GMT
Pulis to us: "The phone's been busy. I couldn't tell you if my next job is going to be up north, in the middle of the country or down south

I want to know who's calling, how many rugby teams are in England? lol

Anyways I think Strama might be the one, Italian journo claimed it was close last night and a couple more reliable Palace guys seem to think the end is near.  Stories match up but at this point hard to have real confidence in anything.
Report Horangi. November 19, 2013 2:27 PM GMT
Neil Ashton, who I feel is pretty close with Palace, just tweeted "its closer than you might think" in regards to a question about the manager situation.  Last night suggested similar.
Report wisewords November 19, 2013 3:16 PM GMT
Pulis 2.6
Report Horangi. November 19, 2013 3:32 PM GMT
Edging down on Tony, maybe just guesswork.  Rumors of him being spotted at the training ground and what not, who knows.

If the appointment is near quite amazing the money hasn't swept in yet.
Report Horangi. November 19, 2013 4:05 PM GMT
Telegraph just put out article saying talks reopened with Pulis.
Report wisewords November 19, 2013 4:07 PM GMT
1.9
Report wisewords November 19, 2013 4:10 PM GMT
Pulis is shortening all the time, but it isn't informed money. Surely the big money will hit in a minute if this is happening?
Report Horangi. November 19, 2013 4:20 PM GMT
Big block stopping the descent momentarily.  Pretty sad it takes them over a month to sign up a cheque book, long ball manager.
Report nigelpm1 November 19, 2013 6:06 PM GMT

Nov 19, 2013 -- 4:20PM, Horangi. wrote:


Big block stopping the descent momentarily.

Report nigelpm1 November 19, 2013 6:08 PM GMT
Ah!  don't use full stops - kills ability to reply.  Just pondering this on twitter.  Whether it's an ITK or not.  I'd like to hit him for all of it with HS at 1.5 or lower
Report nigelpm1 November 19, 2013 6:08 PM GMT
And that applies to me - I just used full stops - doh
Report Darlo Bantam November 19, 2013 10:34 PM GMT

Nov 19, 2013 -- 4:07PM, wisewords wrote:


1.9


.

Report Horangi. November 20, 2013 1:14 PM GMT
Just saw a guy from the BBC tweets about Palace afraid of giving a younger manager the job because it would look like they are raising the white flag.  Got to be kidding me, this board is totally senseless.

Yes hiring Tony Pulis is a sign of real intent.  I'm baffled why Pulis is regarded at all, he's simply nowhere near a top manager.  This notion he can "get results" because of the way his teams play is nonsense.  He got results at Stoke in line (or below) the cost of his team, of course doing so in the most unattractive fashion possible.
Report bearcub November 21, 2013 11:09 PM GMT
https://twitter.com/samuelj29060/status/403660769218543616/photo/1
Report Horangi. November 21, 2013 11:44 PM GMT
How reliable is the sun?  The movement on Warnock tonight was somewhat interesting.  Very early on Parish talked about a dof and an experienced assistant.
Report Darlo Bantam November 21, 2013 11:53 PM GMT
How reliable is the Sun?

Not at all. He might be right, but it's utterly unreliable.
Report Horangi. November 22, 2013 12:06 AM GMT
That's what I thought, haven't seen to many articles about this manager situation in that paper either. 

Probably still Pulis but maybe a guy like Strama is worth a shot right now.  Even though he's been basically ignored in the English media there have been some blurbs from Italy claiming he was a serious candidate.  If the movement in the odds tonight meant anything and Warnock has in some form been contacted then perhaps he is the assistant they are looking for.  In theory it works, Palace get an experienced head to give them the best chance for survival but he works in tandem with an up and comer manager.

Just a wild theory, think I've been looking at this market too long. Crazy
Report ShirleyKnot November 22, 2013 3:23 PM GMT
Horangi. • November 22, 2013 12:06 AM GMT
..........but maybe a guy like Strama is worth a shot right now.  Even though he's been basically ignored in the English media there have been some blurbs from Italy claiming he was a serious candidate.



Gimme a shout if you fancy another go at him and I will put some more money up for you.  I wondered who Mr 55.0 was.
Report Horangi. November 22, 2013 5:57 PM GMT
Legitimate source (Telegraph) now finally saying Pulis.  Probably worth a back even sub 1.10, one of the owners on the Palace board mentioned hypothetically not an ideal time to announce a manager before a "big" match tomorrow.
Report Horangi. November 22, 2013 6:03 PM GMT
Thinking now they gave up on Strama earlier, thus the reopened talks with Pulis.  BBC guy did mention the Palace board were afraid to give the job to a younger manager as fears it would signal no intent. 

imo the board has totally bottled the decision, seems they are adamant they can stay up this season and for some odd reason believe Pulis is the most adept to achieve this.  Even though there is really no evidence at all to suggest Pulis has the know how to get a team to overachieve.
Report ShirleyKnot November 22, 2013 9:10 PM GMT

Nov 22, 2013 -- 6:03PM, Horangi. wrote:


Thinking now they gave up on Strama earlier, thus the reopened talks with Pulis.  BBC guy did mention the Palace board were afraid to give the job to a younger manager as fears it would signal no intent.  imo the board has totally bottled the decision, seems they are adamant they can stay up this season and for some odd reason believe Pulis is the most adept to achieve this.  Even though there is really no evidence at all to suggest Pulis has the know how to get a team to overachieve.


You are the Alan Partidge of manager markets.  I will watch your every word when Hughton gets fired Happy

Report nigelpm1 November 22, 2013 9:49 PM GMT
Pulis is most certainly their best option here and a good choice.  Onto the next one.
Report Horangi. November 23, 2013 2:20 AM GMT
Shirley seek the mental health support you need before its too late, I worry about you.
Report donny osmond November 23, 2013 1:23 PM GMT
that was fun

all round the houses to get next door !
Report nigelpm1 November 23, 2013 6:41 PM GMT

Nov 23, 2013 -- 1:23PM, donny osmond wrote:


that was funall round the houses to get next door !


Sure was.  But I'm pleased to say it was another good one for me.  Nervous now as I'm certain I can't maintain winning ways.

Report donny osmond November 23, 2013 7:29 PM GMT
nigel if anyone made a mess of this one then they should give up manager markets
Report nigelpm1 November 23, 2013 7:57 PM GMT

Nov 23, 2013 -- 7:29PM, donny osmond wrote:


nigel if anyone made a mess of this one then they should give up manager markets


Not the way I play them.  I'm not like the rest of you layers ;-)

Report nigelpm1 November 23, 2013 8:15 PM GMT
Also, worth remembering this is a zero (less commission and premium charge) sum game - for every winner there's a loser.
Report donny osmond November 23, 2013 8:32 PM GMT
i think there must be lots of small losers on this one, with all the dis information spun from the press
Report Darlo Bantam November 24, 2013 2:34 PM GMT

Nov 23, 2013 -- 7:57PM, nigelpm1 wrote:


Nov 23, 2013 --  7:29PM, donny osmond wrote:nigel if anyone made a mess of this one then they should give up manager marketsNot the way I play them.  I'm not like the rest of you layers ;-)


I get the impression that most of the time, most people on here are just short odds layers on any market hoping for one big pay day.

Report timbuctooth November 24, 2013 3:13 PM GMT
I`ve come up with five categories of player in these markets.
In order of ignorance:

1)  The utter mugs.
Arrive home from work, see Sky Sports reporting that `x` is in talks, and lump on at eg. 3.0, not caring that `x` had been available at, eg, 25, before Sky first reported it hours ago. Cue the drift. Come home tomorrow, repeat the process on `y`, and the next day on `z`. Leaving this group as big-time  net losers.

2) The blind traders.
These markets are the ultimate example of `buy high, sell low`. Allowing completely uninformed traders, (me) to consistently turn a decent profit .

3) The semi-informed.
Keep themselves up-to-date with twitter, etc. putting  a bit of work and research into their strategies. Keep themselves just ahead enough of the market to make it pay.

4) Those who (believe they are?) `in the know`.
Pile in at short odds when they really do know that something is happening. Problem for them is that, even if all looks done and dusted, sometimes it isn`t. These people are not likely to be the same people in each market, as most of them will only be genuinely in-the-know at one particular club or candidate. As a whole, I imagine this group would, long term, have more losers than winners.

5) Harry Redknapp
Report mach November 24, 2013 7:00 PM GMT
I get the impression that most of the time, most people on here are just short odds layers on any market hoping for one big pay day.

I have no expert football knowledge at all, but see the pattern of any rumour making any candidate trade far to low, on very flimsy info. this seems to be repeated over and over.
so why not take some easy money laying the snowballs, a simple medium term winning strategy?
If a deal is done there is about 50k wanting to back at between 1.01-1.05.
Report Darlo Bantam November 24, 2013 10:03 PM GMT
I wasn't so much talking about manager's markets, but all markets. So many people laughing at 1.01s getting gubbed etc, and waiting for a short price to lay, more in hope than any long-term expectation that they'll get overturned. There will be some people who calculate the short prices and lay when they're too short, but not all.
Report nigelpm1 November 25, 2013 7:08 PM GMT
Nail on the head Darlo and one reason why I believe my strategies "seem to work".
Report timbuctooth December 15, 2013 6:41 PM GMT
Looking for an answer from some of you  Football Manager experts.

A client just rang, asking for a price on Tottenham sacking AVB before 6.30 next Sunday. I know nothing of such matters and, in my ignorance, offered 2.0, which the client took. Who`s been had, please?
Report nigelpm1 December 15, 2013 11:10 PM GMT

Dec 15, 2013 -- 6:41PM, timbuctooth wrote:


Looking for an answer from some of you  Football Manager experts.A client just rang, asking for a price on Tottenham sacking AVB before 6.30 next Sunday. I know nothing of such matters and, in my ignorance, offered 2.0, which the client took. Who`s been had, please?


Question I'd be asking is what do they know.  PS I'll give you an answer at 6.30 next Sunday ;-)

Report timbuctooth December 16, 2013 12:06 AM GMT
Err, um, yeah thanks for that, most illuminating nige!
Report wisewords December 16, 2013 1:10 AM GMT
Well do you keep up with football? Tottenham have had some bad beats in the league recently, and they lost badly to Liverpool at home today 5-0.. could be the straw that broke the camels back. I think the person is a guesser.
Report timbuctooth December 16, 2013 3:18 AM GMT
Don`t keep up with football at all, so thank you
Report wisewords December 16, 2013 12:31 PM GMT
He got sacked Whoops
Report timbuctooth December 16, 2013 1:12 PM GMT
Yes. The client was on he phone, gloating, an hour ago.
Report wisewords December 16, 2013 2:20 PM GMT
I hope he didn't burn your fingers too badly Tim.
Report timbuctooth December 16, 2013 2:27 PM GMT
100 at evens, so nothing too serious.
Report nigelpm1 December 16, 2013 5:22 PM GMT

Dec 16, 2013 -- 1:12PM, timbuctooth wrote:


Yes. The client was on he phone, gloating, an hour ago.


Hence my point - I would be immediately concerned why that person wanted the bet - at seemingly any price!

Report nigelpm1 December 16, 2013 5:23 PM GMT
OH, £100 - lol - thought you were talking real money!
Report timbuctooth December 16, 2013 7:03 PM GMT
I try to provide a good service for my clients, which occasionally includes making up prices on something I have no real knowledge of. Always only for a `fun` sized payout, if they want something more serious, they have to wait for me to dig around to find a more correct price.
He wasn`t entirely happy with evens, until I offered him evens that AVB WOULDN`T be fired.
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