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GeorgeBrush
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No shortlist if sky are to be believed, but the CE apparently said their was a contingency plan last week

Early RDM money surely bookies covering
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Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 9:19 AM BST
Poyet was odds on for almost two weeks - clear that that's where the money was.
Report Templeton Peck October 7, 2013 9:39 AM BST

Oct 7, 2013 -- 3:15AM, GeorgeBrush wrote:


A whim normally caused by the press thoughNothing out there this morning


Everton market is a great example of what I think Shirley is saying.  Huge swoops with significant volume on candidates with zero mention in the press.  All were short lived.  Some said they were spoofers/manipulators.  From memory, four figures taking Klinsmann to sub 4.0, same with Redknapp(?) and one or two others.

Report GeorgeBrush October 7, 2013 9:42 AM BST
Yes, but you're talking about Rangnick, not Poyet TP

3.6 matched, no contact whatsoever
Report Templeton Peck October 7, 2013 9:45 AM BST
No, I'm talking about Poyet.  Shirley said: "Have we found anybody that is saying anything other than observing that his odds have fallen?  You guys are talking like this is deffo a done deal where it could be Nige just backing short and causing a panic for kicks."  You said: "A whim normally caused by the press though. Nothing out there this morning."

I'm recalling evidence of this in the Everton market.  A short lived plummet in odds on heavy volume based on no public info.
Report GeorgeBrush October 7, 2013 9:46 AM BST
It'll be Poyet imo
Report Templeton Peck October 7, 2013 9:46 AM BST
No ****!!!
Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 9:47 AM BST
There's a difference though TP :

Poyet has been odds on for two weeks
Lots of links to him in discussions
Di Marzio posted only last night that they might sign him today!
Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 9:48 AM BST

Oct 7, 2013 -- 3:45AM, Templeton Peck wrote:


No, I'm talking about Poyet.  Shirley said: "Have we found anybody that is saying anything other than observing that his odds have fallen?  You guys are talking like this is deffo a done deal where it could be Nige just backing short and causing a panic for kicks."  You said: "A whim normally caused by the press though. Nothing out there this morning."I'm recalling evidence of this in the Everton market.  A short lived plummet in odds on heavy volume based on no public info.


I laid at 1.1 - not me guv!

Report Templeton Peck October 7, 2013 9:50 AM BST
Sigh.  Yes, it's different but could very easily be a case of market manipulation.  I don't think it is, but it's plausible.  If someone's willing to blow thousands on Klinsmann for Everton, then they're damned as sure likely to blow less on a more likely outcome.

Anyway, there's nothing in it for me to try and make people understand.  I'll leave you chaps to it.
Report GeorgeBrush October 7, 2013 9:51 AM BST
You lay every favourite on these markets, and you will never win a bean

That also needs to be noted TP
Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 9:54 AM BST

Oct 7, 2013 -- 3:50AM, Templeton Peck wrote:


Sigh.  Yes, it's different but could very easily be a case of market manipulation.  I don't think it is, but it's plausible.  If someone's willing to blow thousands on Klinsmann for Everton, then they're damned as sure likely to blow less on a more likely outcome. Anyway, there's nothing in it for me to try and make people understand.  I'll leave you chaps to it.


No, I get you.

Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 9:55 AM BST
It's definitely plausible.  Would have needed well over £10k though.
Report GeorgeBrush October 7, 2013 10:02 AM BST
Sportsbook 7/100

Sadly closed during the plunge Cry
Report GeorgeBrush October 7, 2013 10:06 AM BST
Claims that he's at the AOL now
Report ShirleyKnot October 7, 2013 10:18 AM BST

Oct 7, 2013 -- 3:50AM, Templeton Peck wrote:


Sigh.  Yes, it's different but could very easily be a case of market manipulation.  I don't think it is, but it's plausible.  If someone's willing to blow thousands on Klinsmann for Everton, then they're damned as sure likely to blow less on a more likely outcome. Anyway, there's nothing in it for me to try and make people understand.  I'll leave you chaps to it.


We are of like minds TP.  These markets have become much more difficult to read of late.

It's probably Poyet but not necessarily so.  It could be that the hi viz jacket salesman that visited first thing this morning is Poyet's doppelganger. Visions of George Michael's road manager at the Ethiad again.

Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 10:28 AM BST
Your theories are getting more and more fantastical Shirley ;-)
Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 10:30 AM BST

Oct 7, 2013 -- 4:06AM, GeorgeBrush wrote:


Claims that he's at the AOL now


Who - Gus? at SOL?

Report GeorgeBrush October 7, 2013 10:31 AM BST
AOL - training ground
Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 10:32 AM BST

Oct 7, 2013 -- 4:31AM, GeorgeBrush wrote:


AOL - training ground


oh right.  Wonder if it's the same guys who saw Rangnick at SOL last week? ;-)

Report GeorgeBrush October 7, 2013 10:35 AM BST
Should have gone to specsavers
Report GeorgeBrush October 7, 2013 10:35 AM BST
Ralf did
Report ShirleyKnot October 7, 2013 10:39 AM BST

Oct 7, 2013 -- 4:28AM, nigelpm1 wrote:


Your theories are getting more and more fantastical Shirley ;-)


LOL.  It really happened, George Michaels road manager was the splitting image for Koeman. He turned up at the stadium to make arrangements for the weekends concert, construction workers spotted him, trotted off to the local bookies, bookies odds plummeted and so did the odds on betfair.

Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 10:40 AM BST
fantastic! ;-)
Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 10:40 AM BST
A good example of what I was saying yesterday!  But apparently it wouldn't happen.
Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 10:51 AM BST

Oct 7, 2013 -- 3:51AM, GeorgeBrush wrote:


You lay every favourite on these markets, and you will never win a beanThat also needs to be noted TP


This is a great point and one which would be lost on some of the folk on here.

Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 11:01 AM BST
1.09 is the shortest I can remember before any kind of up to date press article!
Report Templeton Peck October 7, 2013 11:01 AM BST

Oct 7, 2013 -- 4:51AM, nigelpm1 wrote:


Oct  7, 2013 --  9:51AM, GeorgeBrush wrote:You lay every favourite on these markets, and you will never win a beanThat also needs to be noted TPThis is a great point and one which would be lost on some of the folk on here.


Ok, I have to break my silence now two are saying this.  What am I missing because my interpretation makes this statement so fantastically wrong.

You're saying if I'd layed RDM and Poyet in this market I wouldn't have won a bean?  Whilst strictly true - beans aren't accepted currency with bookies - it's the most ludicrous statement I've ever read on here.  If I laid two odds on shots, I would have lost?  If I laid an odds on favourite and five others at 3/1 I would have lost?

Report ShirleyKnot October 7, 2013 11:03 AM BST
But is not right, it's only true if you take each one red or to zero which of course you don't  need to do after you have hit a few selections.
Report GeorgeBrush October 7, 2013 11:04 AM BST
Nice bites Laugh
Report ShirleyKnot October 7, 2013 11:04 AM BST
My post responding was to George and Nige also saying that they are just plain wrong.
Report ShirleyKnot October 7, 2013 11:06 AM BST

Oct 7, 2013 -- 5:04AM, GeorgeBrush wrote:


Nice bites


Good, that's the basic maths lesson sorted for today.

Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 11:06 AM BST
All depends on what price you laid at and whether you were able to lay more than two I guess.
Report GeorgeBrush October 7, 2013 11:06 AM BST
You're the chief proponent of caution and an all green book Shirl

Not sure why you've neglected this on this occasion?

I would guess you haven't and still have some Poyet green
Report GeorgeBrush October 7, 2013 11:07 AM BST
1.08 to lay
Report GeorgeBrush October 7, 2013 11:08 AM BST
It's done and dusted
Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 11:08 AM BST
Sky have noted it
Report GeorgeBrush October 7, 2013 11:09 AM BST
Next 24 hours - sky
Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 11:15 AM BST
Just laid Sunderland for Relegation - reckon you'll do really well under him
Report GeorgeBrush October 7, 2013 11:17 AM BST
Laugh

Might back it a bit more

Hopefully they'll assure him he'll keep the job for the promotion campaign
Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 12:18 PM BST

Oct 6, 2013 -- 5:06PM, bearcub wrote:


He's reading this thread and seething


The only one seething now will be your good self ;-)

Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 12:19 PM BST

Oct 6, 2013 -- 11:29AM, ShirleyKnot wrote:


Nige please pay attention.  When Lads start pumping up the favourite they WANT to take more moneyhttp://news.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/football/premier-league/gus-poyet-is-bi... Ireland ‏@LadbrokesIE 3mGus Poyet is big favourite to be next Sunderland manager


Not this time ;0)

Report Horangi. October 7, 2013 12:27 PM BST
argh shocked to see its still Poyet in the end, back to the drawing board.  Congrats to Poyet backers.
Report downandout October 7, 2013 12:28 PM BST
Well, disappointing news for us Rangnick backers. Won't be paying much attention to my mates source again! Unless it turns out he was offered the job and turned it down. Well done Nige, sticking to ur guns in the face of no real positive news over the last week or so is admirable. A deserved win.
Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 12:36 PM BST

Oct 7, 2013 -- 6:28AM, downandout wrote:


Well, disappointing news for us Rangnick backers. Won't be paying much attention to my mates source again! Unless it turns out he was offered the job and turned it down. Well done Nige, sticking to ur guns in the face of no real positive news over the last week or so is admirable. A deserved win.


Unlikely downandout - http://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/sunderland-afc/sunderland-won-t-go-for-r...

Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 12:37 PM BST
But the Echo understands that there has been no contact between the Black Cats and English-speaking Rangnick, who held talks over the vacant managerial positions at Everton last summer and West Brom 12 months earlier.
Report five leaves left October 7, 2013 12:53 PM BST
Well done nige. I won't be listening to your mate either dao Grin
Should have played my usual cautious game and gone all green on the Poyet drift. Especially on a market I am new too
Report ShirleyKnot October 7, 2013 1:22 PM BST

Oct 7, 2013 -- 6:28AM, downandout wrote:


Well, disappointing news for us Rangnick backers. Won't be paying much attention to my mates source again! Unless it turns out he was offered the job and turned it down. Well done Nige, sticking to ur guns in the face of no real positive news over the last week or so is admirable. A deserved win.


Yay!  I got one thing right :~)

Report five leaves left October 7, 2013 1:27 PM BST
in the face of no real positive news over the last week

That was the significant thing. Not that there was positive news but that there wasn't any news from the Poyet camp when they hadn't been able to keep quiet previously.
Report ShirleyKnot October 7, 2013 1:27 PM BST

Oct 7, 2013 -- 6:19AM, nigelpm1 wrote:


Oct  6, 2013 --  5:29PM, ShirleyKnot wrote:Nige please pay attention.  When Lads start pumping up the favourite they WANT to take more moneyhttp://news.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/football/premier-league/gus-poyet-is-bi...  Ireland ‏@LadbrokesIE 3mGus Poyet is big favourite to be next Sunderland managerNot this time ;0)


Nige

Very good to see you have a success but don't get too cocky, you just guessed lucky this time.

Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 1:29 PM BST
LOL - just pointing out your incorrect assumption.
Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 1:30 PM BST

Oct 7, 2013 -- 7:27AM, five leaves left wrote:


in the face of no real positive news over the last weekThat was the significant thing. Not that there was positive news but that there wasn't any news from the Poyet camp when they hadn't been able to keep quiet previously.


Indeed and I think I made that point quite clearly on a few occasions.

Report five leaves left October 7, 2013 1:34 PM BST
I think you did nige. It had me hovering over his price a couple of times but I never pressed submit.
I only played it very small, so no harm done, but still annoying.
Report ShirleyKnot October 7, 2013 1:47 PM BST
nigelpm1 • October 7, 2013 1:29 PM BST
LOL - just pointing out your incorrect assumption.



Ahem, how was that an incorrect assumption Nige?
Report bearcub October 7, 2013 1:53 PM BST
I see someone has put Nigels toys back in his pram for him Laugh
Report Horangi. October 7, 2013 2:13 PM BST
Ellis Short "I urge you to ignore the speculation in the media about the selection process, because most of it is completely wrong"

Thanks Ellis, media did seem to be way off on this one. ffs Cry
Report ShirleyKnot October 7, 2013 2:33 PM BST

Oct 7, 2013 -- 8:13AM, Horangi. wrote:


Ellis Short "I urge you to ignore the speculation in the media about the selection process, because most of it is completely wrong"Thanks Ellis, media did seem to be way off on this one. ffs


To be fair to Mr Short, he had offered to Ralf then and the media had not cottoned onto him.

Report Horangi. October 7, 2013 2:43 PM BST
Why do you think he offered it to Rangnick?  Very disappointed in Ralf if he rejected, did he not know my Betfair position?  Unbelievable! Laugh
Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 2:56 PM BST

Oct 7, 2013 -- 8:13AM, Horangi. wrote:


Ellis Short "I urge you to ignore the speculation in the media about the selection process, because most of it is completely wrong"Thanks Ellis, media did seem to be way off on this one. ffs


All the recent speculation was nonsense.  Again I think I mentioned this earlier in the thread.

Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 2:57 PM BST
They didn't even speak to rangnick ffs.  Someone pumped him and probably is sat in his bedroom cracking up at the folk who backed him based on precisely nothing.
Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 2:58 PM BST

Oct 7, 2013 -- 7:53AM, bearcub wrote:


I see someone has put Nigels toys back in his pram for him


Toys were never out of the pram.  I never get worked up about a few comments on a bb.

Report ShirleyKnot October 7, 2013 2:59 PM BST

Oct 7, 2013 -- 8:57AM, nigelpm1 wrote:


They didn't even speak to rangnick ffs.

Report Horangi. October 7, 2013 2:59 PM BST
Nigel just because the club has now told local journo's to "rubbish" the Rangnick link doesn't mean they never had contact.  Don't be so naive.
Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 3:01 PM BST
Oh dear. I give up ffs
Report ShirleyKnot October 7, 2013 3:11 PM BST
So do I Nige but with you.  Face it, you got lucky and if you cannot review a market and appreciate that then manager markets are not for you coz you will end up doing your bo**ocks.
Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 3:23 PM BST

Oct 7, 2013 -- 9:11AM, ShirleyKnot wrote:


So do I Nige but with you.

Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 3:24 PM BST
I don't understand your point - my not wanting to punt on Rangnick, Pulis, Pearce and Lennon et al means I got lucky??  I had red on all of them but not huge - I always stick to a comfortable loss position and NEVER go over it.  What's your point?
Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 3:30 PM BST
Coming back to your point H - why would the club bother to lie to a local newspaper?  If they had contact, no reason not to lie about it.  To much conspiracy for me.  I see things very simply - yes that might be my undoing at some point but it's served me well so far.  Life generally is more straight forward than conspiracy theorists think.
Report ShirleyKnot October 7, 2013 3:32 PM BST
My point is that you are coming across like a complete pr*tt. You seem to be clinging onto the belief that you can walk on water and that anything anybody else says is complete rubbish when that could not be further than the truth.

That's my point Nige.
Report ShirleyKnot October 7, 2013 3:32 PM BST

Oct 7, 2013 -- 9:30AM, nigelpm1 wrote:


Coming back to your point H - why would the club bother to lie to a local newspaper?

Report ShirleyKnot October 7, 2013 3:33 PM BST
Ye Gods!!!

Of course there is!
Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 3:34 PM BST

Oct 7, 2013 -- 9:32AM, ShirleyKnot wrote:


My point is that you are coming across like a complete pr*tt. You seem to be clinging onto the belief that you can walk on water and that anything anybody else says is complete rubbish when that could not be further than the truth.That's my point Nige.


Well with respect that is total nonsense.  I accepted most of your ideas and debated them.  You are being a little disingenuous here.

Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 3:35 PM BST
Let's move on.  Good to have lots of input on these specials events.  I don't want to ruin that.
Report Horangi. October 7, 2013 3:36 PM BST
Nigel the denial of contact works for both parties, the club and Rangnick.  Its almost standard practice, if Rangnick was offered the job it would undermine Poyet's hiring as second choice.  On Rangnick's side it would irritate his current employers and those he works with.
Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 3:37 PM BST

Oct 7, 2013 -- 9:36AM, Horangi. wrote:


Nigel the denial of contact works for both parties, the club and Rangnick.

Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 3:37 PM BST
True.  Point accepted.
Report ShirleyKnot October 7, 2013 3:45 PM BST
Well with respect that is total nonsense.  I accepted most of your ideas and debated them.  You are being a little disingenuous here.


Who is best in a position to say whether you are coming across like a complete pratt?  It's not you that is clear.

With respect you are demonstrating that you have not accepted ideas.  Instead you reject out of hand Horangi's perfectly valid point but at no point during the discussions to you voice that view. Furhermore you add fuel to the fire by admitting that you fail to understand why a club might deny that they had offered the job to somebody else!

This morning you have rubbished a perfectly logical observation about bookies promoting odds for selections that they want to take.

It's not total nonsense Nige.  You hung onto a position and you got lucky!
Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 3:48 PM BST
Wrong! I have accepted his view as I've just posted above.  I still think it's unlikely but of course it is possible.

Of course bookies promote odds but again unlikely they were purposefully doing it.

Everything has a probability - it's probably my posting style coming out but something I feel is unlikely I tend to disregard.  My bad.
Report ShirleyKnot October 7, 2013 3:51 PM BST

Oct 7, 2013 -- 9:48AM, nigelpm1 wrote:


Wrong! I have accepted his view as I've just posted above.  I still think it's unlikely but of course it is possible.Of course bookies promote odds but again unlikely they were purposefully doing it.Everything has a probability - it's probably my posting style coming out but something I feel is unlikely I tend to disregard.  My bad.


Yes you backtracked on one prattish comment you made this morning and while I was typing you backtracked on two.

Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 3:52 PM BST
Excited
Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 3:52 PM BST
One thing out of this is DiMarzio seems pretty reliable.
Report ShirleyKnot October 7, 2013 3:55 PM BST

Oct 7, 2013 -- 9:52AM, nigelpm1 wrote:


One thing out of this is DiMarzio seems pretty reliable.


He's a journo that made public information he was given.

Report Horangi. October 7, 2013 3:55 PM BST
I don't know, clearly knew Poyet was involved all this time but his predicted timeline was off, and as it dragged on he did leave it open for it not to be Poyet.
Report ShirleyKnot October 7, 2013 3:57 PM BST

Oct 7, 2013 -- 9:55AM, Horangi. wrote:


I don't know, clearly knew Poyet was involved all this time but his predicted timeline was off, and as it dragged on he did leave it open for it not to be Poyet.


And his predicted timeline was off because all the time Short was going after Ralf.  But Nige cannot see that :~(

Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 3:58 PM BST
My theory is as I posted yesterday - due diligence took longer than expected.  They needed Ball on side for Man U game so let it run.  Could well have been speaking to other candidates (and yes potentially Rangnick)  Short missed out on Poyet last time - deep down he wanted him.
Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 3:59 PM BST
What's the fascination with Ralf anyway?  If I remember rightly he entered the Everton race in the final w/e.
Report Horangi. October 7, 2013 4:01 PM BST
Quite frankly rather not believe Ralf was involved, took a disturbing red on this market as I went strongly on a lottery payout on Rangnick.
Report Horangi. October 7, 2013 4:03 PM BST
The guy is tactically very astute and has a good track record.  Not sure about his abilities as a man manager but he is a very qualified candidate for any job.  Doesn't hurt he plays electrifying direct attacking football.

Anywho enough of the post mortem, need to head to grocery store for some microwave dinners. lol
Report ShirleyKnot October 7, 2013 4:06 PM BST
nigelpm1 • October 7, 2013 3:59 PM BST
What's the fascination with Ralf anyway?  If I remember rightly he entered the Everton race in the final w/e.


I will reserve disclosure till the next manager market Nige.
Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 4:34 PM BST

Oct 7, 2013 -- 10:06AM, ShirleyKnot wrote:


nigelpm1 • October 7, 2013 3:59 PM BSTWhat's the fascination with Ralf anyway?  If I remember rightly he entered the Everton race in the final w/e.I will reserve disclosure till the next manager market Nige.


You're such a tease ;-)

Report GeorgeBrush October 7, 2013 6:28 PM BST
I remain unconvinced Ralf was ever involved Shirl. His plunge seemed like all fart and no stool
Report ShirleyKnot October 7, 2013 6:48 PM BST

Oct 7, 2013 -- 12:28PM, GeorgeBrush wrote:


I remain unconvinced Ralf was ever involved Shirl. His plunge seemed like all fart and no stool


Which will place you at a disadvantage the next time his name crops up for a job if you retain that mindset. But I am not here to persuade I am here to help the few people I value that are left on here.

Report Templeton Peck October 7, 2013 6:50 PM BST
I'm with Shirley on this.  By this, I mean every post I've just read through.
Report donny osmond October 7, 2013 6:50 PM BST
My theory is as I posted yesterday - due diligence took longer than expected.  They needed Ball on side for Man U game so let it run.  Could well have been speaking to other candidates (and yes potentially Rangnick)  Short missed out on Poyet last time - deep down he wanted him.

poyet upset man utd over the suarez / evra racism case

appointing him for first game against man utd would have been another media storm for ellis short
Report GeorgeBrush October 7, 2013 6:54 PM BST

Oct 7, 2013 -- 12:48PM, ShirleyKnot wrote:


Oct  7, 2013 --  6:28PM, GeorgeBrush wrote:I remain unconvinced Ralf was ever involved Shirl. His plunge seemed like all fart and no stoolWhich will place you at a disadvantage the next time his name crops up for a job if you retain that mindset. But I am not here to persuade I am here to help the few people I value that are left on here.


60    £2.00    £118.00
90    £1.99    £177.11
130    £4.00    £516.00
140    £3.00    £417.00

Wink

Report GeorgeBrush October 7, 2013 7:00 PM BST
plus 80/1 on sportsbook
Report ShirleyKnot October 7, 2013 7:09 PM BST

Oct 7, 2013 -- 12:50PM, Templeton Peck wrote:


I'm with Shirley on this.

Report ShirleyKnot October 7, 2013 7:09 PM BST
I have not been too naughty.


For once ;~)
Report nigelpm1 October 7, 2013 7:18 PM BST

Oct 7, 2013 -- 12:50PM, donny osmond wrote:


My theory is as I posted yesterday - due diligence took longer than expected.  They needed Ball on side for Man U game so let it run.  Could well have been speaking to other candidates (and yes potentially Rangnick)  Short missed out on Poyet last time - deep down he wanted him.poyet upset man utd over the suarez / evra racism caseappointing him for first game against man utd would have been another media storm for ellis short


Possibly.  Hadn't thought of that.

Report ShirleyKnot October 19, 2013 4:31 PM BST
Ha! I didn't Nige:

My point is that you are coming across like a complete pr*tt.

It's not the same as saying you are Love
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