*** Eurovision 2nd Semi Final IR Thread***

I just keep refreshing the usual blogs. :)

are they going to be released at 3am cet or before 3am cet?

ukraine- azerbaijan  and italy seem like the overated songs to me, this is why the top ten market has so much value this year

in terms of the winner it will end up being a two way fight between norway and denmark

Before 3am UK time AFAIK.

The order of qualifiers on this page is interesting.

http://www.svt.se/melodifestivalen/eurovision-song-contest-2013-hela-resultatet

2am  uk time probs on twitter

Although, on closer examination tonight's list is in performance order lol.

i seen that too popking, the order given is not the order that they were pulled out or in order of actual performance so why have it listed the way given.

performance order would be estonia, denmark etc.

Semi 2 is in performance order I meant.

May 17, 2013 -- 1:20AM, popking wrote:

Although, on closer examination tonight's list is in performance order lol.

yes for tonight. Ithe 1st semi is more interesting

indeed bex

Semi 1 is close to running order

estonia and russia isn't though

I must admit i did take a few positions based on the svt article... mainly thats when I started my Netherlands top 10 backing

Hard to see Russia down in 8th though

but nothing I wouldnt have considered anyway...

and Lithuania top 10 being the other one

What price did you get for Ned top 10?  I am thinking that boar has sailed.

boat*

OK I have a couple of questions/suppositions:
1) With the the West Balkans and Bulgaria out - does this mean that the vote will tilt more towards eurovision fanboy territory (as voters will be less interested in voting). If so that may mean the jury votes count for more. It might help Greece but if voters are less motivated we may have some strange results.
2) Given that the voting blocks are so out of kilter how anyone can justify Denmark's odds is beyond me as there is MAJOR upset potential. It's a decent song and performed well but it is not cutting edge and appeals to fans of the more old fashioned eurovision sound (whistles, drums, pseudo celtic sound). It is more likely to just scrape through than be a runaway winner. I think there will be twists and turns aplenty and that one has to favour an Eastern entry which for me would be a pity as my favourites are France, Norway and Finland.

when i started it was 2.5 ish i think but soon became 2.2/2.3  - overall im on at not much overs evens tbh pop

Lithuania could be dangerous too

hard questions to be definitive over ... i'd say the Denmark oddsa are because of

http://esctracker.com/

and the feeling Norway for want of a better description is a bit 'cold'

i just hope that the balkans don't boycot the soviet block and the scandinavian block in protest of not being able to qualify. That would result in strange voting but I don't believe that they would do such a thing.

I agree about Norway being cold but I'm a little leery of Denmark's performance on the tracker (it might be a second like Eric Saade was). It might be eurovision fans buying into it more than the general public.

Are all the other countries for sale in all territories?

No, but most are now available in most countries.

It would be interesting to see what kind of minorities there are in Croatia, Serbia and Montenegro - Russians probably

Ah I see, thanks.

Anyway I think Denmark is a likely winner but we will surely have some changes of position this time.

No runaway leader I hope

I'd hate for aDenmark runaway win. Was really looking forward to trading the win market last year

iTunes and youtube are useful parts of the jigsaw but as we've seen in other shows, not always great predictors

i like to see excitement with say 3 or 5 countries neck and neck in voting

I really can't see a runaway winner.  When Greece won, they were still reading all the points for every country and the voting took ages and ages.  She was only about 8th or so after half the voting and was very exciting even without the formula that is supposed to make it that way now.

tweet on sofabet suggests draw is done... but no link to follow to it

;-) it's great. That BBC 3 doc the other night showed when the UK was pipped on the last vote by Switzerland (Celine Dion) - it would be marvellous if we could have something close to that..

well their was that tie in 1991 between sweden and france

they had to do a count back of 12's to determine the winner

yes, Sietse Bakker ‏@SietseBakker 3m

History in the making! We just passed the first ever determined running order at the #Eurovision Song Contest!

Innocent times..

http://www.eurovision.tv/page/news?id=running_order_for_the_grand_final_revealed

Event Supervisor at Eurovision Song Contest, ^^^

It was close in 1998 and 1999 too, final votes determined the winner.

ireland gets the pimp slot

You will be happy for Netherlands. :)

France
    Lithuania
    Moldova
    Finland
    Spain
    Belgium
    Estonia
    Belarus
    Malta
    Russia
    Germany
    Armenia
    The Netherlands
    Romania
    United Kingdom
    Sweden
    Hungary
    Denmark
    Iceland
    Azerbaijan
    Greece
    Ukraine
    Italy
    Norway
    Georgia
    Ireland

Great draw for Anouk

poor France

and Ireland close the show as I expected

well i guess you are happy

I am as happy as I could be for Malta, Germany, Georgia, Azer, Italy.

italy yay

I'm happy with all that

will the winning market odds change to reflect i wonder

Yes yay for Italy and Netherlands

maggie fans will be happy

Italy after Ukraine could kill Ukraines chances if he brings his A game

i think lithuania are fooked

Yes. They've not been too nice to Andrius. A very strange decision for him to open the show

not looking good for uk i think in 15th

Belgium or Lithuania 2nd after a female makes sense to me.

Natherlands great draw following Germany & Armenia

Italy, Norway, Georgia... that could be a strong block

Oh sorry. I missed France

Swedes must have a weird taste in music to have a song like France start the show - it's far too intense

has being in 18th position ever won?

Indeed sectioned. Germany or Belarus would have made much more sense

I am pretty happy with Germany's draw - and Georgia's although my hopes for the latter are fading.

Oh well, it always takes a couple of songs for people to get into it anyway. Every Eurovision party I've been to has had far too much chatting, eating and drinking early on that you only really begin to take notice when it gets dark outside

Very happy with the r/o and got a few things right like ireland and italy being very late. Should make some trading profits at the very least

loads a money

harry enfield moment

Moldova in third place isn't exactly the best call too. It looks to me that they decided the running order more based on odds than on how the songs would work together as a show. They want to seem to be fair so they put the favourites in the first half as much as possible into the middle. It's so contrived it's untrue

tbf Denmark , between Hungary and Iceland is hardly a loser even tho its 18...

its going to stand out well relative to these static performances

No, Denmark are well drawn - Norway's draw is worse although it is later.

and norway between italy and georgia doesn't help me think

Odds of a break after Denmark?

1.01

when were they last year anyone?

where was the breaks last year?

The last break was a little later last year I think.

was there a break near italy last year

i seem to recall 10 to 13th for one

Maybe they will break after Iceland trying to damage Azer.

There is an extended break, usually after song 13, and 2 mini breaks  - 1 in each half.  It looks to me like they will be after Estonia and Iceland.

stick one after malta to ruin russia

Last years breaks came after 12 and 17

1: U.K.
2: Hungary
3: Albania .
4. Lithuania
5. B&H
6: Russia
7: Iceland
8: Cyprus
9: France
10: Italy
11. Estonia
12. Norway
Break
13: Azerbaijan
14: Romania
15: Denmark
16: Greece
17. Sweden
Short Break
18. Turkey
19: Spain
20: Germany
21. Malta
22. Macedonia
23: Ireland
24: Serbia
25. Ukraine
26: Moldova

will there be the same this year i wonder

There must have been an earlier one, no?

so if same this year then break between armenia and netherlands and break between hungary and denmark

We'll know tomorrow after the 1st rehearsal

They are not gonna break after those songs.  I think my suggestion was most likely.

night night guys. Fun evening

Yep, been fun.  Let's see what tomorrow brings.

Night all.

night bex

They may have to break after Denmark to clear the confetti

13 and 18 would suit me

night guys (tho I am staying up for the AI result)
A good 'draw' for me. Unlike the previous ones.

night fll

night