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five leaves left
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Chelsee and Pasha
Judges' choice: Jive to 'I'm a Believer' by Smash Mouth
Show dance to 'One Night Only' by Beyonce
New dance: Rumba to 'Because Of You' by Kelly Clarkson
Favourite dance: Quickstep to 'Sing Sing Sing' by Benny Goodman

Harry and Aliona
Judges' choice: Quickstep to 'Don't Get Me Wrong' by The Pretenders
Show dance to 'Great Balls of Fire' by Jerry Lee Lewis
New dance: American Smooth to 'Can't Help Falling In Love' by Michael Buble
Favourite dance: Argentine Tango to 'Asi Se Baila El Tango' by Bailongo

Jason and Kristina
Judges' choice: Tango to 'I Will Survive' by Gloria Gaynor
Show dance to 'Dancin' Fool' by Gary Wilmot
New dance: Salsa to 'Hard to Handle' by Tom Jones
Favourite dance: Quickstep to 'Bewitched' by Steve Lawrence


The 1st one eliminated at the end of the 1st show and only dances their 1st 2.
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Report five leaves left December 17, 2011 9:52 PM GMT
definitely GB2. She lost all her momentum with that show dance. Pasha has done some great choreogarphy, but that wasn't his best
Report johnnyrant December 17, 2011 9:53 PM GMT
Show would still be better if they returned it to live elimination on a 2nd results show on a Sat night, and having a dance-off - but most importantly, dancing the dance-off fairly. It should never have been left in Len's hands - if Len makes it 2-2, it should go to public vote, like deadlock in XF - would make the show far more exciting.
Report popking December 17, 2011 9:53 PM GMT
16-1 to win now - FFS.  Does look all over.
Report roach December 17, 2011 9:53 PM GMT
1.04?!! Jesus
Report popking December 17, 2011 9:54 PM GMT
20-1.  Harry surely cannot be so far ahead.
Report johnnyrant December 17, 2011 9:54 PM GMT
And the Beeb should be forced to release the voting figures - disgraceful that they don't.
Report seebee December 17, 2011 9:55 PM GMT
Who wins?
Report roach December 17, 2011 9:55 PM GMT
why can't he Pop?
Report Speculation December 17, 2011 9:55 PM GMT
Gotta be a leak, this was a close final! 1.02 that's a joke, sorry.
Report seebee December 17, 2011 9:56 PM GMT
Think Harry has got it, but want Chelsee to win.
Report johnnyrant December 17, 2011 9:56 PM GMT
What a waste of early money Dan Lobb was - had all the natural hip sway of a fridge-freezer - GMTV c*nt
Report George Bailey December 17, 2011 9:56 PM GMT
Got a bit rabbit in headlights so 1800 chelsee and 500 harry. Couldn't bring myself to desert her for pennies at the end.
Report George Bailey December 17, 2011 9:57 PM GMT
Kicking myself for missing the forecasts though as had written jason off weeks ago
Report popking December 17, 2011 9:58 PM GMT
I do think Harry will have won, but can't be more than 60%-40%.
Report johnnyrant December 17, 2011 9:58 PM GMT
Biggest losses on Outright this series for me:
Lobb,
Dobson,
Grant,
Savage
Valance

Problem was, could never lay off properly cos of lack of liquidity on lay side. It's a show for the pro traders; no mug money floating around, like XF
Report George Bailey December 17, 2011 9:58 PM GMT
that's huge though popking
Report seanvice December 17, 2011 9:59 PM GMT
yea Dann Lobb - my worst bet ever. complete bell end
Report strikeitrichy December 17, 2011 9:59 PM GMT
was a great show
Report popking December 17, 2011 9:59 PM GMT
But to see matched 1.03 and 28?  Surely not that huge?
Report johnnyrant December 17, 2011 10:00 PM GMT
His height was the warning sign, sean - which I even flagged up myself, and still backed him Laugh
Report George Bailey December 17, 2011 10:00 PM GMT
Yeah  had  few quid on Lobb early as I thught he was the MEM candidate. That was harry of course. Both wooden but at least harry isn't an obvious woman hater.
Report strikeitrichy December 17, 2011 10:00 PM GMT
have to feel for Chelsee, was top final
Report squares December 17, 2011 10:00 PM GMT
and that dreadful GMTV dancing vid
Report five leaves left December 17, 2011 10:00 PM GMT
yep, great final
Report George Bailey December 17, 2011 10:01 PM GMT
no particular order?
Report Hamsterdam December 17, 2011 10:01 PM GMT
Chelsee didn't deserve to win tbf

another forum fail Silly
Report Danzaa December 17, 2011 10:02 PM GMT
£1000 landed, placed my bet as soon as Dougie won IAC.
Report Hamsterdam December 17, 2011 10:02 PM GMT
Naff final
Report George Bailey December 17, 2011 10:02 PM GMT

Dec 17, 2011 -- 10:01PM, Hamsterdam wrote:


Chelsee didn't deserve to win tbfanother forum fail


Oh no the troll is going fishing

Report Arbitrage December 17, 2011 10:02 PM GMT
McFly Christmas Double landed HappyHappyHappy

Merry Christmas everyone!
Report Hamsterdam December 17, 2011 10:02 PM GMT
Compare with Alesha vs Matt Di Flange
Report seebee December 17, 2011 10:02 PM GMT
lol
Report five leaves left December 17, 2011 10:02 PM GMT
*yawns*
Report Danzaa December 17, 2011 10:02 PM GMT
Well done on the McFly double, risky bet but worth it.
Report Hamsterdam December 17, 2011 10:03 PM GMT
GB 1.01 landed for first bite Laugh
Report George Bailey December 17, 2011 10:03 PM GMT
boring winner..should have been chelsee...and that's not JUST the money talking
Report johnnyrant December 17, 2011 10:03 PM GMT
Justice for Aliona, after the scandalous de-ramping and persistent under-scoring of Baker last year.
Report George Bailey December 17, 2011 10:03 PM GMT

Dec 17, 2011 -- 10:03PM, Hamsterdam wrote:


GB 1.01 landed for first bite


Laugh

Report STEPTOES YARD December 17, 2011 10:03 PM GMT
speaking well here
Report popking December 17, 2011 10:03 PM GMT
Di Angelo was over-rated.
Report Sir Denis Eton-Hogg December 17, 2011 10:03 PM GMT
lol at bruse -"get orf!!"
Report Sir Denis Eton-Hogg December 17, 2011 10:04 PM GMT
gethin wuz robbed diangelo was carp
Report johnnyrant December 17, 2011 10:04 PM GMT
Does Aliona have a boyfriend - would like to officially offer my services Grin
Report George Bailey December 17, 2011 10:04 PM GMT

Dec 17, 2011 -- 10:03PM, Sir Denis Eton-Hogg wrote:


lol at bruse -"get orf!!"


he thought they were yobs...not too far off I guess

Report Hamsterdam December 17, 2011 10:05 PM GMT
He was pk but was very decent in the final tbf that series will never be beaten
Report George Bailey December 17, 2011 10:05 PM GMT
Only Ola and Katya can easy my pain Tongue Out
Report five leaves left December 17, 2011 10:05 PM GMT
too posh to be yobs. just some jolly japes
Report strikeitrichy December 17, 2011 10:05 PM GMT
what great band they got on the show. some amazing voices, classy show
Report Sir Denis Eton-Hogg December 17, 2011 10:05 PM GMT
yeah she does johnny, harry in about a week lol
Report johnnyrant December 17, 2011 10:06 PM GMT
One thing I did manage to back was the McFly double - peanuts on it though due to restrictions
Report Sir Denis Eton-Hogg December 17, 2011 10:06 PM GMT
yes a good time to thank the dave arch orchestra
Report squares December 17, 2011 10:06 PM GMT
stop being so greedy Bails - Nancy and Edwina for you
Report five leaves left December 17, 2011 10:08 PM GMT
wd winners/ which is all of us i'm sure Grin
Report George Bailey December 17, 2011 10:08 PM GMT

Dec 17, 2011 -- 10:06PM, squares wrote:


stop being so greedy Bails - Nancy and Edwina for you


For starters maybe but I'd still want the main course Wink

Report Speculation December 17, 2011 10:09 PM GMT
Cheers fll, merry xmas all, a great Final, really enjoyed it, but wanted Chelsee to triumph, like most here I guess!
Report George Bailey December 17, 2011 10:10 PM GMT
Yeah with TF about 800 quid. Covers Christmas...so long as I don't get Mrs Bailey anything.
Report johnnyrant December 17, 2011 10:12 PM GMT
Could never see Chelsee beating Harry and have to disagree GB2 - Harry a thoroughly deserving winner. Different class to the rest come series-end. Like I said before, not a winner for me but I like to see justice on these shows as much as turning a profit and that was the right result.
Report Speculation December 17, 2011 10:13 PM GMT
I have a theory that whoever dances the Argentine Tango in the Final has a HUGE advantage, it is just an outstanding dance to watchWink
Report five leaves left December 17, 2011 10:13 PM GMT
not done by edwina currie
Report five leaves left December 17, 2011 10:15 PM GMT
i think with a decent show dance chelsee could have won and still think it was reasonably close.
we'll never know though.
a nice trade regardless
Report johnnyrant December 17, 2011 10:17 PM GMT
Harry was the perfect clean cut middle England photofit for this show. It's a show that favours this type cos of voting demographic. Initially, I thought he was too bland and his Latin not up to much, but he came out of his shell and his dancing improved no end. He could have only lost if the judges had set about de-ramping him and focusing on criticisms of his routines over the last month or so (what they did with Baker), while ramping and raving about Chelsee, and throwing in a heart-rending back story to reel viewers in (what they did with Kara).
Report George Bailey December 17, 2011 10:22 PM GMT

Dec 17, 2011 -- 10:12PM, johnnyrant wrote:


Could never see Chelsee beating Harry and have to disagree GB2 - Harry a thoroughly deserving winner. Different class to the rest come series-end. Like I said before, not a winner for me but I like to see justice on these shows as much as turning a profit and that was the right result.


Chelsee had a mountain to climb as she had the MEMs natural gravitation to harry plus a rather nasty snobbish attitude towards her by many. I disagree that she couldn't have beat him even against those odds. maybe on the night she wasn't quite good enough but I saw more than enough on twitter tonight to tell me that if she had nailed the show dance she would have run him VERY close indeed.

Report five leaves left December 17, 2011 10:24 PM GMT
I don't think she needed any help jr. Her personality, her partnership and little things she said about people liking her meant she could have won anyway.
The show dance killed her tho.
Report five leaves left December 17, 2011 10:25 PM GMT
I might have another go at trying to get the beeb to release the figs. It's a joke they don't publish them.
Report seanvice December 17, 2011 10:28 PM GMT
well done winners, showdance killed any chance Chelsee had.
Report five leaves left December 17, 2011 10:31 PM GMT
Surprising given how good Pasha has been with the choreography. Just saving that neck spin til the end would have given the dance more impact.
Report George Bailey December 17, 2011 10:34 PM GMT

Dec 17, 2011 -- 10:25PM, five leaves left wrote:


I might have another go at trying to get the beeb to release the figs. It's a joke they don't publish them.


You need to do a formal FOI. get refused and then appeal to the Info Commissioner or whatever its called. We know their spurious reason for refusal ie hurting the reputation of the contestants...complete bollox of course. they are more than happy to release for XF "no marks" it seems. Do they also release for DOI...can't remember?

Report five leaves left December 17, 2011 10:35 PM GMT
yep and IAC and CBB when it was on C4
Report five leaves left December 17, 2011 10:35 PM GMT
..and celeb love island Laugh
Report five leaves left December 17, 2011 10:36 PM GMT
..and hells kitchen
Report bexley December 17, 2011 10:36 PM GMT
Good call Cider on the showdance odds. Well done Excited
Report five leaves left December 17, 2011 10:36 PM GMT
..and P20
Report five leaves left December 17, 2011 10:38 PM GMT
yep, excellent call cider. The 11/10, chelsee 40 backers unlucky. Both her Jive and Rumba were both worth 40 in the context of a final
Report George Bailey December 17, 2011 10:42 PM GMT
Fll have we had the % for IAC? Missed that if we have.
Report bexley December 17, 2011 10:45 PM GMT
They release  the SPOTY vote don't they? can't see why they don't mind offending the sportspeople but celebrity dancers, no can't have that Shocked
Report johnnyrant December 17, 2011 10:46 PM GMT
I don't think the showdance would have changed anything. Chelsee had the advantage of being up last. They were very kind to her throughout, talked her up, over-scored her showdance as it was, and her rumba was not great. She always looked rough round the edges to my eye. Harry would have smashed the pv. I'd anticipate him winning by more than 60/40 over Chelsee, probably closer to 70/30. You have to accept sometimes when you've lost fair and square. It wasn't a good series for me but I'm feeling blase about it (and SPOTY) cos my Little Muffins winnings ensure over the 3 markets I've come out well on top.
Report bexley December 17, 2011 10:49 PM GMT
I agree Johnny I think Harry won by a large distance tonight. Showdance was a letdown but wouldn't have changed the final result. Would prefer to see the actual voting results though so we can know and not speculate withour resolution Cool
Report Hamsterdam December 17, 2011 10:49 PM GMT
Not sure how seriously the BBC are going to take a request from a professional gambler to to release the voting figures Laugh
Report George Bailey December 17, 2011 10:51 PM GMT
But I won jr and I ain't losing any sleep over tonight's result. I think 70/30 is way off. If the BBC are being selective with which results they give out then they are on thin legal ice not revealing these figures.
Report johnnyrant December 17, 2011 10:53 PM GMT
I think it would be worthwhile for a few of us to independently drop the BBC a line, and demand they release voting figures. If it comes from enough people, they might re-consider. It's a total insult they don't do it.
Report George Bailey December 17, 2011 10:59 PM GMT

Dec 17, 2011 -- 10:49PM, Hamsterdam wrote:


Not sure how seriously the BBC are going to take a request from a professional gambler to to release the voting figures


Then we can add your ignorance of the FOI Act to your general lack of knowledge Ham. It doesn't matter where the request comes from. FLL I don't mind making a formal request and then challenging it just out of badness. I just need a comprehensive list of which reality shows do and don't get released and which channels they are on. Give me that and I will do the rest.

Report five leaves left December 17, 2011 11:13 PM GMT
yep, the IC figs are somewhere. I'll bump the thread
Report Dizzy42 December 17, 2011 11:17 PM GMT
Just checking in, will catch up properly with this thread in the morning.

Best man won - Harry stole it.  Hands down winner tonight.  But Chelsee also deserved her 40.  That was the only blot on an otherwise perfect specials punting night again!

I was on 5/1 Harry from the start, plus 16/1 for the McFly boy IAC / SCD double - but great shout by those who spotted Chelsee's potential early doors.  Completely blind-sided me.  Didn't see that one coming at all.  But the forecast adds the cherry on the cake, so thanks for your advice as always!
Report George Bailey December 17, 2011 11:20 PM GMT
nothing stopping all of us emailing them at foi@bbc.co.uk I will go first and also ask them to say which specials they do release them for. ITV release DOI so no reason why the BBC can't.
Report five leaves left December 17, 2011 11:20 PM GMT
yep, and mention they release the SPOTY figs
Report George Bailey December 17, 2011 11:21 PM GMT
will do
Report Dizzy42 December 17, 2011 11:26 PM GMT

Dec 17, 2011 -- 10:13PM, Speculation wrote:


I have a theory that whoever dances the Argentine Tango in the Final has a HUGE advantage, it is just an outstanding dance to watch


AT and the American Smooth a winning combo for sure.  Debated this point with Squares earlier in the week.  First time that the Argentine Tango has been done in the final I think - but you're right, it's a real crowd pleaser...

Report Dizzy42 December 17, 2011 11:28 PM GMT
GB2 - would be fascinating to see the final split, but my gut instinct all along is a young handsome man (in a boy band, no less) will always beat the tart with a heart hands down.  It could have been close - but based on the performances tonight, I would guess Harry walked it...
Report Dizzy42 December 17, 2011 11:31 PM GMT
Pure speculation, but I would be confident that Harry won by a larger margin than the Little Muffins... 57-43 is my guess, but could be as much as 63-37.  Would be really interested to know, but I doubt we'll get any joy from Auntie Beeb.
Report George Bailey December 17, 2011 11:34 PM GMT
Well Dizzy they have just received the following FOI request. Let's see what they say to these. i have actually not specifically asked for these %'s tonight but will do now. I would like to make a request under the FOI Act for the following information:

1. Which shows do the BBC currently have a public vote to decide the winner?

2. Which shows that have a public vote to decide the winner have those vote percentages released at the end of the show after the winner has been declared?

3. Which shows that have a public vote to decide the winner do NOT have those vote percentages released at the end of the show after the winner has been declared?

4. If some shows do have percentage votes revealed and some do not what is the policy and the reasons for the different approaches to different shows?
Report Dizzy42 December 17, 2011 11:37 PM GMT
It is quite puzzling that they are happy to provide the information on SPOTY but not SCD.  Bizarre really for a corporation that prides itself on transparency...
Report George Bailey December 17, 2011 11:40 PM GMT
Sent this now: Please could you let me have the percentage votes for each week of the current series of strictly come dancing up to and including the final? If I don't get the answer I will appeal further and if not then will ask my MP to write to the Minister of Culture for an answer. The truth will out!
Report Hamsterdam December 17, 2011 11:45 PM GMT
Minister of Culture

Laugh

Get a grip man.
Report five leaves left December 17, 2011 11:47 PM GMT
Get stuck in GB2Grin
Report George Bailey December 17, 2011 11:50 PM GMT
Like a dog with a bone now fll...ooops now that's got me thinking about Ola and Katya again
Report George Bailey December 17, 2011 11:51 PM GMT

Dec 17, 2011 -- 11:45PM, Hamsterdam wrote:


Minister of CultureGet a grip man.


Oh ye of little faith Ham Wink

Report TheMadness December 18, 2011 10:51 AM GMT
"I don't think the showdance would have changed anything. Chelsee had the advantage of being up last. They were very kind to her throughout, talked her up, over-scored her showdance as it was, and her rumba was not great"

I bow down to your superior knowledge on this, but I thought that rumba was the dance of the series. With the exception of Harry's Viennese Waltz it is the only dance that moved me this year.
Report five leaves left December 18, 2011 10:59 AM GMT
I agree TM.
It received a mixed response on here, but I thought it was superb and couple of people who I spoke to last night felt the same.

DS loved it too fwiw.
Report five leaves left December 18, 2011 11:01 AM GMT
It showed how far she'd came too as she'd never have been able to bring that sort of emotion to a dance even a couple of weeks backs.
Report johnnyrant December 18, 2011 2:20 PM GMT
DS worshipped Chelsee throughout so no surprise there.
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