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Helmuthian Folds
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Let the fun and manipulation begin.

I'm on Donelda to qualify, so here's hoping! Grin
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Report Helmuthian Folds May 30, 2011 9:34 PM BST
Hasselhof reading off the script Simon has given him! [;)]
Report FXDUX May 30, 2011 9:36 PM BST
Someone's gobbling up the Bruce sisters to qualify
Report bexley May 30, 2011 9:36 PM BST
I backed Ronan at 1.13 to qualify , should I be worried Mischief
Report Howdi May 30, 2011 9:37 PM BST
1.13 in reality tv [:x]
Report BarryManilow May 30, 2011 9:37 PM BST
no bexley it's 1.001
Report johnnyrant May 30, 2011 9:37 PM BST
Playing up your Azer winnings bex? Think your money's safe
Report five leaves left May 30, 2011 9:40 PM BST
I backed him @ as low as 1.05 to win, so I hope not Bex
Report johnnyrant May 30, 2011 9:40 PM BST
which semi is the toast artist in?
Report Helmuthian Folds May 30, 2011 9:41 PM BST
How many more need to die before Spellbound are banned??? [;)]
Report FXDUX May 30, 2011 9:41 PM BST
Last one I think. You'll either love him or hate him.
Report FXDUX May 30, 2011 9:43 PM BST
If the BGT tour reaches Denmark, the toast artist will be arrested.
Report squares May 30, 2011 9:43 PM BST
The Hoff's suit looks like the one Trigger was wearing when DelBoy fell over in the bar
Report five leaves left May 30, 2011 9:44 PM BST
Hadn't they won at the world championships before the show?
Report johnnyrant May 30, 2011 9:44 PM BST
Why FXDUX? Ukraine probably wouldn't be impressed as they have a sand artist who won their last UGT
Report bexley May 30, 2011 9:44 PM BST
Sorry my post was a bit tongue in cheek. I guess given the price now its akin to aftertiming even though we don't know the result yet. Had a few hundred on earlier today as I did think it was  the old 'free money' scenario
Report Cider May 30, 2011 9:45 PM BST
I've got a nutty lump @1.05 too! Hope I don't end up feeling like the tm draw backers did earlier today.
Report johnnyrant May 30, 2011 9:46 PM BST
How many regs were able to get decent amounts on Ronan Parke on Outright when he was 4-1 and 7-2? I couldn't get much on at all - limits imposed everywhere.
Report majoroak May 30, 2011 9:47 PM BST
tm draw backer here ! fuming
Report GeorgeBrush May 30, 2011 9:48 PM BST
Someone layed me Razy at 12. Bizarre

I think he's a 100 shot Laugh
Report FXDUX May 30, 2011 9:48 PM BST
Marmite has recently been made illegal in Denmark.
Report five leaves left May 30, 2011 9:49 PM BST
same here jr. Screwed with korals and 888 now too Sad

Free money when he was on last singing a masterpiece of a song, Bex.
Not beforehand imo
Report johnnyrant May 30, 2011 9:49 PM BST
I never knew that FXDUX
Report bexley May 30, 2011 9:50 PM BST
I didn't Johnny even though I talked about it. I got £94 on with ToteS at16/5 last night - that was all I was allowed and another £100 at 3/1 split between 2 other bookies. Its the hardest part of my betting unfortunately, getting money on in the amounts I'd like.

Guess you leaves and a few others have been there and done it before me Cool
Report FXDUX May 30, 2011 9:50 PM BST
SH1T
Report FXDUX May 30, 2011 9:51 PM BST
FLCUK
Report johnnyrant May 30, 2011 9:52 PM BST
yeah, it's a nightmare bex
Report BarryManilow May 30, 2011 9:52 PM BST
Will the piano man win this now?
Report five leaves left May 30, 2011 9:52 PM BST
surprised Paul made the top 3.
I hope they send him home Shocked
Report FXDUX May 30, 2011 9:52 PM BST
Put the damned biker through!!!
Report Danzaa May 30, 2011 9:53 PM BST
Amanda'll back the pianist...
Report majoroak May 30, 2011 9:53 PM BST
piano man was always going to get top 3 , but he's had it now
Report FXDUX May 30, 2011 9:53 PM BST
HOFF U da MAN!
Report kiddo112 May 30, 2011 9:53 PM BST
I got €100 on @11/4 in a couple of branches of Boilsports this morning. Was shocked they took them without batting an eye
Report bexley May 30, 2011 9:54 PM BST
How can he not win the final, he doesn't even need to sing imo he has most of the female population of the UK wanting to mother him
Report STEPTOES YARD May 30, 2011 9:54 PM BST
simon said bike man was best he had seen and he was after piano guy
Report FXDUX May 30, 2011 9:55 PM BST
Cowell, you just cost me £
Report STEPTOES YARD May 30, 2011 9:56 PM BST
ffs Laugh

hes changed his tune
Report BarryManilow May 30, 2011 9:56 PM BST
Ridiculous, Paul gonna win
Report FXDUX May 30, 2011 9:56 PM BST
SH1t Sh1t Sh1t
Report majoroak May 30, 2011 9:56 PM BST
yes ! get in
Report Arbitrage May 30, 2011 9:56 PM BST
pmsl
Report five leaves left May 30, 2011 9:56 PM BST
FFS
Report BarryManilow May 30, 2011 9:56 PM BST
Lying piece of sh1t (pocket-talking)
Report GeorgeBrush May 30, 2011 9:56 PM BST
Back luck fig Shocked
Report majoroak May 30, 2011 9:57 PM BST
simon the turncoat !!!! thank you
Report Titanic.deckchair.attendant May 30, 2011 9:57 PM BST
Cry
Report five leaves left May 30, 2011 9:57 PM BST
I can't believe Paul even made the top 3.

Did me nuts.
Report STEPTOES YARD May 30, 2011 9:58 PM BST
simon clearly forgot what he said earlier
Report Arbitrage May 30, 2011 9:58 PM BST
Ronan biggest sure fire winner since Boyle LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report Titanic.deckchair.attendant May 30, 2011 9:58 PM BST
slimeon you tósser
Report wenkywoo May 30, 2011 9:58 PM BST
biggest fix ever ffs, f off si cowell
Report GeorgeBrush May 30, 2011 9:59 PM BST
lol. Cmon, we know Cowell better than that ffs Laugh
Report bexley May 30, 2011 9:59 PM BST
I'm gutted, no money involved but seriously 'guy playing piano' has potential? wtf
Report Arbitrage May 30, 2011 9:59 PM BST
tbf Paul won public vote!
Report johnnyrant May 30, 2011 9:59 PM BST
pretty impressive that Paul got 2nd highest pv
Report johnnyrant May 30, 2011 10:00 PM BST
pretty impressive that Paul got 2nd highest pv
Report GeorgeBrush May 30, 2011 10:00 PM BST
This Arb. Thought Cowell was spot on about him too
Report charliebigpotatoes May 30, 2011 10:00 PM BST
Hello, all. Just tuned in for the first time tonight. So who can beat Ronan?
Report bexley May 30, 2011 10:01 PM BST
Pretty amazed tbh I would have lost big time there also had I got involved
Report Arbitrage May 30, 2011 10:01 PM BST
Its a very weak show and Ronan must have got 90%
Report five leaves left May 30, 2011 10:01 PM BST
lol yep GB. I knew he was going for Paul.
Still wasn't worried though.

Bad call by me. Can't blame Cowell.
Report 4dannyboy May 30, 2011 10:05 PM BST
I backed Paul but after hearing his performance I didn't think he would qualify.  I expected Cowell to back him but still never thought he'd go through.  I got lucky tonight.
Report five leaves left May 30, 2011 10:05 PM BST
Least I won £25 on under 2.5 buzzes.

Doesn't quite make up for the nearly 4 figure loss on biker boy not getting 2nd.
Made him about 1.25 so had to back at the price.
Report FXDUX May 30, 2011 10:06 PM BST
effing hell - ouch
Report Arbitrage May 30, 2011 10:07 PM BST
Jeez fll....thats brave in this event!
Report FXDUX May 30, 2011 10:08 PM BST
It comes back down to Cowell's pro-black mentality. Neither a good thing nor a bad thing, just something he's been open about before. A black underdog is SC catnip. It shows how mediocre Paul was that I was willing to disregard this principle.
Report bexley May 30, 2011 10:09 PM BST
Unlucky leaves , you have to back value when you see it.

I remember doing so in DOI the week I was convinced Sam was nailed on for bottom 2 when he was left there against the loose woman and Johnson.

I was stunned when he wasn't and only lack of liquidity in that market saved me from a real bad hit. Was bad enough.
Report majoroak May 30, 2011 10:12 PM BST
four figures !!! bloody hell
Report 4dannyboy May 30, 2011 10:12 PM BST
Thats tough fll, you probably feel worse than Joe himself!  But you give a lot of good tips on here.  I'm sure you can make it back soon enough.
Report five leaves left May 30, 2011 10:14 PM BST
You can't moan when you've backed what you thought was cracking value, arb

Had a good ESC and AI so can't complain.

Just a pity I couldn't have got a similar amount on under 2.5 buzzes Sad
Report majoroak May 30, 2011 10:17 PM BST
not quite sure how you made him a 1.25 shot tho fll, was always likely to be between him and piano paul, the only thing I was unsure of going into the results show was where micheal mcintyre vote was going to go...
Report GeorgeBrush May 30, 2011 10:18 PM BST
Cowell would have known Paul was through OC
Report five leaves left May 30, 2011 10:25 PM BST
I didn't have piano man making top 3, maj.
Thought the karate girls or Ted & Grace would, who I covered.

Also thought biker boy would be clear 2nd, so still wasn't worried at deadlock.

Did win £100 on Ronan winning, plus that £25 on the buzzes Laugh

About -700 all told.
Report five leaves left May 30, 2011 10:30 PM BST
I thought piano man was abit of a mess with chopping and changing songs and was forgettable tonight.

Whereas Biker boy was on later, got a whole section to himself and plenty of judges ramping.
Report five leaves left May 30, 2011 10:32 PM BST
What the hell has happened to Helen Chamberlain Shocked
She looks about 50.
Report Cider May 30, 2011 10:35 PM BST
If you've got a strong opinion no problem with backing it heavily is there? If I'd have got the wedding viewers thing wrong I'd have took a pasting. It's the temptation to chase that gets most bettors into trouble, not backing perceived value selections. You will always get it wrong from time to time.
Report five leaves left May 30, 2011 10:35 PM BST
Tomorrows 8 coming up on BGT2
We shall see if wiki are right.
Report bexley May 30, 2011 10:35 PM BST
Sh*t happens sometimes leaves. You trusted your judgement and saw some value. In the long run you will come out a winner.

FWIW I didn't and wouldn't play big in this because I'm unsure I represent the average BGT voter Laugh, but I thought piano dude was dull as hell and had little to no chance of going through either

It's people who rely on other peoples judgements or are too influenced by them that will never win money at this malarkey [;)]
Report bexley May 30, 2011 10:36 PM BST
If you've got a strong opinion no problem with backing it heavily is there? If I'd have got the wedding viewers thing wrong I'd have took a pasting. It's the temptation to chase that gets most bettors into trouble, not backing perceived value selections. You will always get it wrong from time to time.

Good post Cider, spot on
Report five leaves left May 30, 2011 10:40 PM BST
Very true cider.
The only time I get that 'chasing' feeling these days is on the poker sometimes.

Backing at @ average of 1.8 when you see something as definitely no more than 1.5 and closer to 1.25, then you can't moan.
Report GeorgeBrush May 30, 2011 10:42 PM BST
Speaking of which Ronan still shortening. A 1.3 shot by the weekend for me
Report bexley May 30, 2011 10:42 PM BST
Back to Ronan, I was a bit worried actually a slower song might find him out. When he started off tonight I actually did begin to worry about the song choice.
I was pleased to see my fears were groundless. I think he's bombproof unless something is lurking in the semis's I'm currently unaware of.

In fact if he does a song more like his audition choice I think he will actually have a greater wow factor in the Final than tonight.
Report five leaves left May 30, 2011 10:43 PM BST
Wiki wrong.

2 and half men on tomorrow and if thats the order they're on last
Report five leaves left May 30, 2011 10:44 PM BST
didn't catch them all.

Old guy singing with guitar.
The woman at the organ
The illusionists.
Report Cider May 30, 2011 10:45 PM BST
Enchantment
Report majoroak May 30, 2011 10:45 PM BST
zoom ....he was going on piano paul not getting in the top 3 ....which I would then agree with how he went
Report five leaves left May 30, 2011 10:46 PM BST
I couldn't see anyone other than Joe as 2nd zoom, as I've said.
Certainly not Paul
Report George Bailey May 30, 2011 10:49 PM BST
I had ronan and paul 1v2 based on youtube before the off fll (not based just on views).  Joe nowhere. Where did you get your Joe fancy from; twitter?
Report Hove_Park_Upper_School May 30, 2011 10:49 PM BST
I personally thought that Biker Boy was really slow and boring tonight...much worse than his audition.

On the other hand, I enjoyed the piano bloke and his song choices, and thought it was the correct decision for him to be 2nd.

Only my opinion, but I laid Biker Boy straight after his act to qualify as I thought that most of Britain may also be a bit bored.
Report Cider May 30, 2011 10:50 PM BST
Obviously Ronan has the momentum. There's always a potential 'red button' moment in this show, or someone else to stand out in further auditions. It wouldn't interest me backing him odds-on. He will be under a fair amount of pressure being talked of as the winner already.
Report five leaves left May 30, 2011 10:50 PM BST
yep, and had the minge sisters covered to some degree, plus Ted & Grace.

Top 3 for Paul was an outside chance. 2nd very very little chance for me.
Report Cider May 30, 2011 10:52 PM BST
Further sfs oc!
Report five leaves left May 30, 2011 10:55 PM BST
You also said the minge sisters had millions of fans on FB, hovepark?

GB2 - Joe only performed yesterday so he's hardly going to be getting the numbers on youtube as some of the others.
He was trending on twitter all night, as he is now. No sign of Paul or piano or anything similar, so that backed up what I thought was the case anyway. Joe an easy 2nd.
Report majoroak May 30, 2011 10:57 PM BST
made that mistake last year with spellbound cider, waiting for something better to come and beat them, thought they were far too short and layed throughtout the week as they got shorter and shorter! not going to make the same mistake this year....
Report five leaves left May 30, 2011 10:58 PM BST
I found both bike boy and piano rather dull tonight.
Ted & Grace would have got my vote, who did trend.

I agree the camera work for bike boy was crap, zoom,  which could hav cost him.
We'll see how close it was after the final.
Report kiddo112 May 30, 2011 10:58 PM BST
On that point zoom, I was thinking of what tonight's result told us for the rest of the week. Obviously Ronan was a shoo-in, but what struck me with both him and piano man was the camera work was much more cohesive.

This goes without saying due to the nature of their acts (musical solo). But as a few said already in this thread, the likes of the Girls and Arnie and bike boy, the staging and also the camera work, didn't really work in their favour.

Not certain that this will hold thru for the rest of the week, but it is definitely something I will consider before placing bets.
Report Hove_Park_Upper_School May 30, 2011 11:00 PM BST
fll, I was simply quoting what Diversity were posting on their fb page.

I personally didn't think much of their act, although I wouldn't kick either of them out of bed! [;)]
Report five leaves left May 30, 2011 11:02 PM BST
someone needs to email betfair.
They have the wrong names for the 2nd semi.
Report Cider May 30, 2011 11:03 PM BST
I'm not suggesting a lay of Ronan, majorack, just that I wouldn't back. I got stuck into spellbound last year when I felt I had enough info to back odds-on (I think circa 1.8). It's priced in now that nobody is going to come along, Ronan will perform well and get a pimp slot.
Report kiddo112 May 30, 2011 11:12 PM BST
Yeah think them being easier to shoot is definitely a factor. But I suppose the other thing to consider is that the producers don't want all musical solos in the final either, so the running order may be where they try to make sure that doesn't happen.

Food for thought anyways, but as I am new on these markets, I expect I am probably 3 or 4 steps behind the thinking of the regulars!!
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