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Report squares March 28, 2010 12:54 PM BST
isn't everyone on their best behaviour and being nice on finals night usually?
Report five leaves left March 28, 2010 1:00 PM BST
yep, usually, but there's no stopping Jason sometimes.
Unlike Craig on SCD who by all accounts is a really nice guy behind the scenes, Jason really is a cvnt.
Report Henry VIII March 28, 2010 1:11 PM BST
I wonder how they decide the running order. It does make a difference.
Report onthehushhush March 28, 2010 5:09 PM BST
RO is decided by producers, to try and**the result.

shouldn't matter so much tonight as the lines will open after first routine... won't they?
Report page-413 March 28, 2010 5:57 PM BST
he he if I showed you my green on this you wouldnt go to work for a year ..

Just shows what some of these monkeys know ???

Five a while back said this was a thin market ??

Ok lets pretend all mine is a total lie !!

Betfair figues you can see if you have a brain [mazzee] show clearly over £100,000 has been matched on this market .

Mugs which you must sumise frequent this forum have lost over £50,000 on this ..

I will say this once for completness..

Thanks for your money lllllllllllllllllllllllllllloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...
Report squares March 28, 2010 6:02 PM BST
page-413 25 Mar 17:38

If she wins I will win 12 k if she dies I have 8 now all done finished ..
Report Froggitt March 28, 2010 6:07 PM BST
page-413 28 Mar 17:57

Betfair figues you can see if you have a brain [mazzee] show clearly over £100,000 has been matched on this market .

Mugs which you must sumise frequent this forum have lost over £50,000 on this ..


Obviously never heard of trading.

Gnob.
Report PAKEY March 28, 2010 6:13 PM BST
Chris Fountain was beaten because he was perceived as coming to the show with some skating ability already, quite a few of us did well with Suzanne.
From memory, I didn't get involved until the last week or two and still got 5s.

Although the starting ability is less evident here, I'm hoping they will play a lot of Keiron's initial ineptitude on the ice, and Hayley's relative ease.
Didn't want gary there as he detracts from Keiron's outsider status, would have been much better with uninostril in the final.

Here's to a good night chaps

Come on bambi
Report Henry VIII March 28, 2010 6:52 PM BST
Obviously never heard of trading.

But Froggitt that still means over £50,000 has been lost doesn't it, traded or not.
Report Froggitt March 28, 2010 8:53 PM BST
No.

Suppose Ive got £25k backing the winner at 2.02 and £25k laying the winner at 2.0, one of those bets will lose.

Then suppose youve taken both my bets.

Theres £100k of turnover and its just a few quid changing hands.
Report Guybrush Threepwood March 28, 2010 9:59 PM BST
And that is another special done. Onto the next.
Report page-413 March 28, 2010 10:02 PM BST
I will not educate you any more for free ..

Thanks for all your money ..


£12.039 profit

THE END
Report squares March 28, 2010 10:04 PM BST
page-413 28 Mar 17:57
he he if I showed you my green on this you wouldnt go to work for a year ..


Page has obviously never commanded a very high salary and/or lives in a third world country.
Report Cider March 28, 2010 10:04 PM BST
WD Sage-666
Report maiaze March 28, 2010 10:05 PM BST
yeh yeh yeh sure you did that should read £12.24pence
Report Benjy March 28, 2010 10:05 PM BST
£12. Nice one.


Good series that. Think most people will have at least greened up on Hayley as it got pretty predictable a few weeks ago. WD to all those in profit.

Moving on to BGT now I guess?
Report squares March 28, 2010 10:06 PM BST
Dorothy next.

Page - are you a friend of Dorothy?
Report Henry VIII March 28, 2010 11:34 PM BST
Suppose Ive got £25k backing the winner at 2.02 and £25k laying the winner at 2.0, one of those bets will lose.
Then suppose youve taken both my bets.
Theres £100k of turnover and its just a few quid changing hands.
Report Henry VIII March 28, 2010 11:36 PM BST
Previous post in error.

Suppose Ive got £25k backing the winner at 2.02 and £25k laying the winner at 2.0, one of those bets will lose.
Then suppose youve taken both my bets.
Theres £100k of turnover and its just a few quid changing hands.


That's interesting.

In that example it's just 2 people transferring virtually the same amount of money. What happens with lots of people and bigger back lay spreads?
Report five leaves left March 29, 2010 10:39 AM BST
Nothing to bet on in UK specials now :(

There is the FHM sexiest woman awards. How is cheryl cole odds on and the goddess like Hiolly 110/1?
Report squares March 29, 2010 10:45 AM BST
think P.P. have paid out on CC already
Report PAKEY March 29, 2010 10:48 AM BST
Holly's top last night made up for my losses backing the underdogs.

Forget underdogs, those puppies of Holly's could make me bark at any time.

Well done again fll, and all the others who backed the wee actress :-)
Report five leaves left March 29, 2010 10:58 AM BST
Yep, she does make the viewing of this rubbish much easier.
Emma Bunton helps too.

Not much of a win here Pakey. Others, like page should be the ones taking the plaudits.
Report five leaves left March 29, 2010 11:03 AM BST
Eamon asking them if they're an item :|
Report five leaves left March 29, 2010 11:04 AM BST
Dan and Hayley that is
Report squares March 29, 2010 11:09 AM BST
no need to watch carp daytime TV anymore :D
Report five leaves left March 29, 2010 11:10 AM BST
Pontiff - 3.30 Towc is carrying the figgy cash today.
Report five leaves left March 29, 2010 11:12 AM BST
true....apart from Bargian Hunt!
Report squares March 29, 2010 11:14 AM BST
Progress well fancied in Ling 3.40 I've heard
Report squares March 29, 2010 11:31 AM BST
PAKEY - you can watch Kieron's Bolero on the DOI site
Report ror March 29, 2010 11:36 AM BST
"There is the FHM sexiest woman awards."

Surely this is open to massive abuse from anyone connected with actually compiling this garbage?

You're betting on a 'fixed' event! Muppetry anyone who touches this market.
Report No Chatname Specified March 29, 2010 11:56 AM BST
Morning all.
Have sporadically followed this one. Ended with small green on Hayley.
Looks like there's been a bit of bad blood from certain quarters on this series. Bad for the forum overall imvho.
It's nice to win, nice to get it right, but the rubbing your nose bit in it is bad karma... will ultimately come back to bite you in the proverbial...
GL ALL, & continue to run good!
Report No Chatname Specified March 29, 2010 11:57 AM BST
FWIW I like Lopinot 4:40 Ling
Report page-413 March 29, 2010 1:04 PM BST
^ yer course it will yawn ^^^

stick to your £2 ew yankees you chav

I am the daddy now ,, run along get me a coffee
Report Froggitt March 29, 2010 7:09 PM BST
Henry VIII 28 Mar 23:36

In that example it's just 2 people transferring virtually the same amount of money. What happens with lots of people and bigger back lay spreads?


With lots of people backing and laying at similar odds, its the same so long as they all have a "green up" strategy - of course one person taking a position would mean someone else would also be taking a position.

With bigger spreads it can also be the same eg suppose the spread is 10.0 to 20.0 and Im asking and get 20. I then throw in a lay at 10 but noone matches, and eventually I may lay at the same 20 just before the off.

Obviously if I can back at 20 and lay at 10, theres someone (or manyone) taking the equivalent loss to my win.
Report PAKEY March 29, 2010 7:10 PM BST
Thanks squares
but once the cash is out of the equation, I lose interest
Report PAKEY March 29, 2010 7:12 PM BST
I had a big tip for Progress today, from a first time souce :-(
I think it may just be the last time.
You could not have picked a harder race, but nothing had the class of the winner.
Report page-413 March 30, 2010 9:03 AM BST
I am the new daddy on here
Report Benjy March 30, 2010 11:01 AM BST
When do we get voting figures?
Report squares March 30, 2010 11:13 AM BST
just any time soon when they decide to publish them Benjy
Report squares March 30, 2010 12:55 PM BST
like now
Report squares March 30, 2010 12:56 PM BST
http://dancingonice.itv.com/2010/node/1709
Report Cider March 30, 2010 1:01 PM BST
Hilary is the obvious surprise on first look.
Report squares March 30, 2010 1:01 PM BST
Jeremy went from hero to zero.

Dr Hilary never had much of a vote at all.
Report squares March 30, 2010 1:01 PM BST
Mikey very popular throughout - should have been top male.
Report squares March 30, 2010 1:02 PM BST
Jason did wonders for Sharron's "popularity".
Report squares March 30, 2010 1:03 PM BST
Danniella and Danny's votes pretty stable and poor throughout.
Report Benjy March 30, 2010 1:04 PM BST
Cheers Squares...

Hilary never as popular as most of us thought then.

Show 4 presumably when Jason was particularly harsh on Sharron? Had a big impact if so.

Mikey was 2nd in the PV, as most on here suggested, the week he went. Very unlucky considering he topped the vote the week before and was only beaten in the vote that week because Hayley gave the performance of the series and scored a perfect 30. Would have been a clear 2nd and maybe even a contender if he got the skating right in the final.

Final was very comfortable for Hayles.
Report five leaves left March 30, 2010 1:04 PM BST
cheers mate.

Hayley p1ssed up. 82%!

The Doc was never polling too well or Kieron, Danny and Danniella. Gary beat them every week bar one...oh and the 1st week.

..and it shows again how a good slating can boost your vote. 13% for Sharron the week Jason layed into her. Down to 4% the week she went.
Report five leaves left March 30, 2010 1:05 PM BST
actually 16% for sharron week 4
Report squares March 30, 2010 1:06 PM BST
so that was bottom 2 x 2 bounce
Report Cider March 30, 2010 1:06 PM BST
Mikey wasn't that far ahead of Gary at all, and gary was the higher scorer after all. Obviously the week that he fell his voting rocketed.
Report squares March 30, 2010 1:07 PM BST
was faecal matter week as well tho - You've Got a Friend?
Report Cider March 30, 2010 1:09 PM BST
Emily was swerving the b2 by the skin of her teeth, as suspected!
Report squares March 30, 2010 1:10 PM BST
Mikey comfortably beat Gary 5 weeks out of 8; the other 3 they were arm in arm.
Report five leaves left March 30, 2010 1:12 PM BST
Yep, Mikey got very unlucky the week he went.
He was clearly heading for 2nd spot in the final
Report squares March 30, 2010 1:13 PM BST
Seems very unfair that someone with that much of a PV should go when it was such a close decision.
Report five leaves left March 30, 2010 1:14 PM BST
Danniella very nearly sneaked ahead of Danny in the vote that week.
If she had, or if she'd scored better with the judges, It would have been Dani v Danny
Report Cider March 30, 2010 1:21 PM BST
Two of those were due to extreme circumstances.
Gately week, and falling week. Mikey was towards the foot of the table, also.

Week 7, Gary beat Mikey. Week 8 he fell and was always going to have a 'fall-out sympathy' vote as a follow up.

imo week 6 and 7 were more realistic reflections of their popularity, where there was less than 1% in it.
Report Cider March 30, 2010 1:23 PM BST
More accurately, 1% or less.
If Mikey had not fallen he was going to be in trouble in any case.
Report Cider March 30, 2010 1:32 PM BST
Which ever way you look at it, Mikey didn't have the underlying popularity most of us thought he had. In normal weeks he was polling between 10 and 20. Week 5 he polled 23.4 but he fell into the bottom 2 on the scoreboard. He was never going to win, and would have needed quite a miracle to get to the final. All imo of course.
Report squares March 30, 2010 1:40 PM BST
16% lowest.
Report Cider March 30, 2010 1:49 PM BST
Of course people can twist stats to suit their argument/position, but from what I deduce there is no reason why Mikey should have been top male. Each of the two weeks before Mikey fell they were polling virtually identically, and Gary was the highest scoring skater. It's supposed to be pv/scoring 50/50. I don't believe sympathy for someone dying or sympathy for falling over should be a deciding factor ultimately.
Report five leaves left March 30, 2010 1:50 PM BST
A miracle for him to make the final?
LOL cider.

He was never out of the top 3 in the pv, 2nd most weeks, top 2 weeks.
It needed a miracle to keep him out of the final.
Report squares March 30, 2010 1:54 PM BST
You could also say Gary got various "boosts" from being in the bottom 2 Wk 1, from getting slated by Jason often and from having his daughter featured so much, so various "dramas" have helped both of them a number of times.
Report Cider March 30, 2010 1:55 PM BST
Hayley had top spot on the pv to herself, and he was the weakest scoring skater. He was going to end up in the skate-off and very likely required to be saved from the bottom of the table.
If you are the lowest scoring skater, and never topping the pv, yes I believe a miracle to get to the final.
Report five leaves left March 30, 2010 1:56 PM BST
Yep, I'd say a fair amount of Gary's 'popularity' was down to an anti Jason vote.
Sharron even managed 16% off the back of that.
Mikey was never really slated by the judges.
Report Cider March 30, 2010 2:01 PM BST
Yep, gary got some help too, of course nothing as extreme as the Stephen thing of the falling over ramping week.
My point is that there is little evidence to suggest Mikey deserved top male.
Report five leaves left March 30, 2010 2:02 PM BST
Fair enough cider.
I can't agree.
Overall Mikey was the 3rd best skater in the contest. He scored 20.5 in week 4. Kieron and Danny didn't beat that til week 9.
If I'd seen the figures in week 4 I'd have made him a slight favourite ahead of Hayley.
Of course it all went downhill from there, but I don't believe that was predictable at the time.
Report five leaves left March 30, 2010 2:08 PM BST
For me he ticked all the boxes.

He had the popularity, the skating skills and the performance skills.
Gary only had 2 of those.
Hayley clearly had all 3 too.

Week 3, Jt2nd with Gary. Ahead of Danneilla and only 1pt behind Hayley
Week 4, 2nd. Ahead of Danniella and Gary.

You're making out he was some no hoper cider.
Report Cider March 30, 2010 2:19 PM BST
That's the thing tho, these shows are all about improvement whereas Mikey went backwards.
I stood to win more at the time if Mikey had been top man so I am not speaking through my pocket.
He couldn't beat Hayley when he was in the bottom 2 and she was safe.
Gary was very consistent in the pv, usually 3rd or 2nd, and was a consistent scorer on the table occupying similar spots.

If Mikey had the skating skills he wouldn't have gone out. It's a marathon not a sprint and he wasn't good enough, consistently and there was another runner caning the voting.
Report squares March 30, 2010 2:22 PM BST
Why would anyone be talking through their pocket now when we are all weighed in? I'm just commenting on the popularity of the various contestants as demonstrated by the figures posted today.
Report Cider March 30, 2010 2:26 PM BST
I'm not saying you're talking through your pocket squares, just thought my postings may have come across as if I was, because as usual I'm in the minority lol!

I just cannot see the case for Mikey 'deserving' top male, I really cannot.
Report Cider March 30, 2010 2:34 PM BST
I also like a good debate, as some may have guessed :)
Report five leaves left March 30, 2010 2:38 PM BST
lol yep, me too.

I'll definitely concede that Hayley was much more popular than I thought at the time.
I'd have expected Mikey to be beating her and beating her fairly easily in weeks 3 and 4.
I'd still say though on these figures, that he was the only other possible winner.
IF he'd made reasonable improvement and hadn't, understandably, thrown in the towel in from week 5 onwards.
Report five leaves left March 30, 2010 2:42 PM BST
..but I do think he was still heading for 2nd place given these figures.
It's far from certain he'd have been bottom of the leaderboad the following week.
They all seemed to be taking their turns in that spot in the last few weeks..
Report No Chatname Specified March 30, 2010 2:43 PM BST
Up the revolution, Cider! ;)
OT, any of you do soccer punting?
Man U, Barca, Lyon treble pays 11s. Not bad imo
Report five leaves left March 30, 2010 2:49 PM BST
Not me iNX.
I'm sticking to specials and the occasional horse bet.

Just looking at the next week. If they'd saved Mikey instead of Danniella the leaderboard would have looked like this, if we have Mikey bottom

Hayley 5pts
Danny 4pts
Kieron 3pts
Gary 2pts
Mikey 1pt.

If the pv goes the same as the previos week then we have a Gary v Danny SO.

Mikey safe!
Report Cider March 30, 2010 2:55 PM BST
BB is always the best for heated debating, iNX. Usually highly irrelevant, too !

Mikey may well have climbed back up the leaderboard, equally so he may not have. To me that doesn't make him deserving of top male. Falling over boosted his pv up and he still went. We can safely apportion his week 8 pv to falling over, how much the coverage of it lifted his week 9 vote is anyone's guess. But before he fell his voting was on a par with Gary's in the two previous shows, there's no reason that should have changed given 'normal' circumstances.
Report No Chatname Specified March 30, 2010 2:58 PM BST
Yep, 5LL. Footy a minefleld.
My main 2010 resolution was to stick to specials and what I "think" I know best. Avoid horses and ignore tips from other lunatics who are happy to dispense their fcuk awful 4th/5th/6th hand BS information.

Resolution out the window Day 2 of 2010 and so far this year doing bizarrely better profitwise on horses than specials...

So much for logic...
Report Cider March 30, 2010 3:01 PM BST
footy markets are highly efficient, especially at the top end.
Report No Chatname Specified March 30, 2010 3:03 PM BST
You starting again, Cider?
Anything for a barney, eh? :)
Report Henry VIII March 30, 2010 3:15 PM BST
Before I started heavily backing Hayley I found her ruthlessly competitive (her tweets) with a fake smile. At the end when she became my only green she became utterly charming.

Its extraordinary how betting on someone can actually change their personality. Must be telekinesis or something.
Report Cider March 30, 2010 3:19 PM BST
I warmed quite a bit to Mincey but Hayley is still shocking. She was on BBC Breakfast this morning and it was vomit inducing stuff. Dan is just as bad.
Report squares March 30, 2010 3:22 PM BST
She certainly played a very good game.
Report Cider March 30, 2010 3:24 PM BST
There's no accounting for taste, Henry. Nicola polled circa 6% ? on CBB and she is a lovely person, yet a cynical fame seeking doofus walks away with the title.
Report five leaves left March 30, 2010 3:28 PM BST
Yep, I warmed to Mincey too, after backing him. But not much.
I warmed to Ola even more, who has always been great to look at, but I wasn't keen on her in terms of personality.
She also came over very well on the dancing on wheels shows.
I'd have her as a postive now for whoever gets her next year.
Report five leaves left March 30, 2010 3:29 PM BST
..and she's actually due a decent dancer.
Report Cider March 30, 2010 3:31 PM BST
I read that SCD are supposedly going to spend more money and try to get some slebs this year. And go h2h vs XF again :|
Report five leaves left March 30, 2010 3:33 PM BST
And on the subject of dancing on wheels, I'd love to see Caroline Flack signed up for SCD.
If only to see the whiners on DS complaining that she's alras an unfair advantage due to the training she had on DOW
Report five leaves left March 30, 2010 3:33 PM BST
has*
Report Cider March 30, 2010 3:34 PM BST
I strongly suspect that that wouldn't be your only reason!
Report five leaves left March 30, 2010 3:41 PM BST
True.
I think she'd struggle on their poll.


2 horses to avoid today.

4.30 Fonters - Ya I Know

5.0 Colonial Jim goes again, plus the horse that beat it, but I'm going for a rank outsider ew.
Kings Rock.
Report page-413 March 30, 2010 3:45 PM BST
True.
I think she'd struggle on their poll.



Fives come on mate enoughs enough ,, you have done your b ollo cks move on mate ..

Couple of yankees come in and you can get your £300 bank back
Report bunnyman March 30, 2010 4:32 PM BST
Still milking it page? You must have a lot of time on your hands.

When you get it right series after series, year after year then you might start getting the respect that people on here like 5ll have earned. Sorry but one decent win based on insider info doesn't get you any.
Report Cider March 30, 2010 4:33 PM BST
Let's hope enough people lost on the handicap/points betting through the series. These two firms are linked in some way so if they took it away it would be a bit pants next series. I saw Lads price up once and the firm which nobody can get a bet on with a few times.
Report five leaves left March 30, 2010 4:37 PM BST
Cheers bunny.

I should avoid the horses though.
Report five leaves left March 30, 2010 5:14 PM BST
A PU and a UR.
Back to the drawing board.
Report Froggitt March 30, 2010 7:01 PM BST
Mikey week

Judges

6 Hayley 30
2 Danniella 19.5
5 Danny 22.5
3 Gary 20.5
4 Keron 21
1 Mikey 19

PV

6 Hayley 44
5 Mikey 22.9
4 gary 13
3 kieron 7
2 danny 5.6
1 daniella 5.2

total

hayley 6+6+12
Mikey 5+1=6
gary 4+3=7
kieron 3+4=7
danny 2+5=7
daniella 1+2=3

Very unlucky that the three boys finished in that exact PV and judges order.
Report ajchrisbro April 1, 2010 1:30 PM BST
seeing as this was the thread where we posted nags
got some good uns for today

F3.40 no 4 win
L4.30 no 3 win
L5.30 no 1 win

and a small w/p on nevada redin 5.00

GL
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