New Posts For Thread: Ignore the 'draw' fantasists...best song winshttps://community.betfair.com/specials/go/thread/view/94178/30261477/ignore-the-draw-fantasistsbest-song-winsThe draw numpties are out in force again. You know the ones who obviously think the Russian grannies would have beaten Loreen with a better draw but what they don't tell u is the best song normally wins....regardless of the draw. Are they saying RybClydebank, would more or less agree. If there's a standout song (Rybak) it will win regardless of starting position, but in years like this without a standout song, I'd be wary of backing any song in the top 5 to win or place. It's striking that no shttps://community.betfair.com/specials/go/thread/view/94178/30261477/ignore-the-draw-fantasistsbest-song-wins?post_id=539378217#539378217Clydebank, would more or less agree. If there's a standout song (Rybak) it will win regardless of starting position, but in years like this without a standout song, I'd be wary of backing any song in the top 5 to win or place. It's striking that no sTue, 13 May 2014 05:35:43 -0500Let me just answer that. I didn't say it wasn't an advantage, I said there was an advantage but it was exaggerated. I also said look at the draw of those finishing last, second last etc. not just those at the top of the pile. I've looked at the lahttps://community.betfair.com/specials/go/thread/view/94178/30261477/ignore-the-draw-fantasistsbest-song-wins?post_id=539373739#539373739Let me just answer that. I didn't say it wasn't an advantage, I said there was an advantage but it was exaggerated. I also said look at the draw of those finishing last, second last etc. not just those at the top of the pile. I've looked at the laMon, 12 May 2014 17:12:52 -0500Clydebank, because the most recent decade seemed a fair sample, also televoting kicked in in the late 90s. But since you ask, here we go, starting position top three every year 1995 onwards.2014 11 24 132013 18 20 222012 17 6https://community.betfair.com/specials/go/thread/view/94178/30261477/ignore-the-draw-fantasistsbest-song-wins?post_id=539369757#539369757Clydebank, because the most recent decade seemed a fair sample, also televoting kicked in in the late 90s. But since you ask, here we go, starting position top three every year 1995 onwards.2014 11 24 132013 18 20 222012 17 6Mon, 12 May 2014 13:20:13 -0500If Conchita had not roused the gay community Europe-wide to vote en masse, we would be looking at another late draw winner in Netherlands. You also say 'the best song usually wins', Clay. It didn't win this year, that's for sure. Running order has ahttps://community.betfair.com/specials/go/thread/view/94178/30261477/ignore-the-draw-fantasistsbest-song-wins?post_id=539365439#539365439If Conchita had not roused the gay community Europe-wide to vote en masse, we would be looking at another late draw winner in Netherlands. You also say 'the best song usually wins', Clay. It didn't win this year, that's for sure. Running order has aMon, 12 May 2014 09:38:19 -0500I think hand picking and choosing the most apparent small sample headline stat to fit an argument is flawed. A sample size of 9 is tiny, let alone a hand chosen sample of 9 to fit an argument. What about the draw of the songs that finished second,https://community.betfair.com/specials/go/thread/view/94178/30261477/ignore-the-draw-fantasistsbest-song-wins?post_id=539361393#539361393I think hand picking and choosing the most apparent small sample headline stat to fit an argument is flawed. A sample size of 9 is tiny, let alone a hand chosen sample of 9 to fit an argument. What about the draw of the songs that finished second,Mon, 12 May 2014 06:10:45 -0500Clay, if it snowed one year in a decade in May, would you conclude from that that people who say May is a good month for holidays are talking nonsense or would you write off the one year as unusual? In eight years out of the previous nine, the winninhttps://community.betfair.com/specials/go/thread/view/94178/30261477/ignore-the-draw-fantasistsbest-song-wins?post_id=539345047#539345047Clay, if it snowed one year in a decade in May, would you conclude from that that people who say May is a good month for holidays are talking nonsense or would you write off the one year as unusual? In eight years out of the previous nine, the winninSun, 11 May 2014 05:54:22 -0500Armenia traditionally scores well in the contest.Likewise Sweden, and this particular song and performer was somewhat overhyped in the run up to the show.There were a number of power ballads along similar lines to the winning song, some probably muchhttps://community.betfair.com/specials/go/thread/view/94178/30261477/ignore-the-draw-fantasistsbest-song-wins?post_id=539344479#539344479Armenia traditionally scores well in the contest.Likewise Sweden, and this particular song and performer was somewhat overhyped in the run up to the show.There were a number of power ballads along similar lines to the winning song, some probably muchSun, 11 May 2014 03:37:27 -0500What are the draw fantasists saying now? Austria, Sweden and Armenia sang from so called unfavourable drawshttps://community.betfair.com/specials/go/thread/view/94178/30261477/ignore-the-draw-fantasistsbest-song-wins?post_id=539341481#539341481What are the draw fantasists saying now? Austria, Sweden and Armenia sang from so called unfavourable drawsSat, 10 May 2014 17:51:03 -0500Primacy effect is reduced, ultimately to zero, the more items there are and also the faster they are presented.https://community.betfair.com/specials/go/thread/view/94178/30261477/ignore-the-draw-fantasistsbest-song-wins?post_id=539322175#539322175Primacy effect is reduced, ultimately to zero, the more items there are and also the faster they are presented.Fri, 09 May 2014 19:24:07 -0500Why do early draws not generally win then ?https://community.betfair.com/specials/go/thread/view/94178/30261477/ignore-the-draw-fantasistsbest-song-wins?post_id=539321503#539321503Why do early draws not generally win then ?Fri, 09 May 2014 18:31:36 -0500