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NtownClown
16 Oct 23 15:29
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Anywhere doing the Outrights betting? Can't see any at the mo.
I'm Jack Lisowskis biggest critic, but what a draw he has for this (If he's up for it) He could find himself in the semis purely on merrit.
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Report Gutless Wonder October 27, 2023 3:54 PM BST
Slice of luck for Dave
Report Gutless Wonder October 27, 2023 4:00 PM BST
A must win frame win for Gilbert --- 3-2 Barry
Report Gutless Wonder October 27, 2023 4:13 PM BST
4-2
Report Gutless Wonder October 27, 2023 4:18 PM BST
The Hawk too good - Can Dave get 3 in a row?
Report Gutless Wonder October 27, 2023 4:44 PM BST
4-3
Report Gutless Wonder October 27, 2023 4:54 PM BST
Barry in for the match - Dave needs some help
Report Gutless Wonder October 27, 2023 4:54 PM BST
and he may have just got some
Report Gin October 27, 2023 5:05 PM BST
Report Gutless Wonder October 27, 2023 5:08 PM BST
Amazing scenes 4-4 and Winona Laugh
Report Gutless Wonder October 27, 2023 5:08 PM BST
And on we go
Report Gutless Wonder October 27, 2023 5:17 PM BST
Shot from Baz to get back up the table
Report Gutless Wonder October 27, 2023 5:26 PM BST
Two big blues for Barry
Report Gutless Wonder October 27, 2023 5:30 PM BST
Hawkins 5-4 Gilbert
Report Latalomne October 27, 2023 7:33 PM BST
Blimey, had to go out at 3-1 Baz.  Didn't think it would go all the way, TBH!
Report Latalomne October 27, 2023 7:33 PM BST
1-0 Wakelin over Yuan, 1-0 Mags over Judd
Report Latalomne October 27, 2023 7:48 PM BST
Don't understand why you'd play them in that order, Chris.  Leave him needing the two difficult ones if you miss, surely?!
Report Latalomne October 27, 2023 7:52 PM BST
1-1 Yuan, 2-1 Mags
Report Latalomne October 27, 2023 8:12 PM BST
Wakelin fails to take advantage of a massive fluke, and Yuan fails to take advantage of his let-off, 2-1 Wakelin.
Report Latalomne October 27, 2023 8:25 PM BST
3-1 Mags
Report Latalomne October 27, 2023 8:30 PM BST
Yuan misses frame ball (not a sitter)
Report Latalomne October 27, 2023 8:34 PM BST
Scruffy end to the frame with each playing a few shockers, but it goes Yuan's way.  2-2.
Report Latalomne October 27, 2023 9:03 PM BST
Gotta play that with a free ball, Chris.
Report Latalomne October 27, 2023 9:04 PM BST
That's what happens
Report Latalomne October 27, 2023 9:06 PM BST
3-3 Judd
Report Latalomne October 27, 2023 9:13 PM BST
3-2 Wakelin
Report Latalomne October 27, 2023 9:43 PM BST
4-3 Mags
Report Latalomne October 27, 2023 9:50 PM BST
4-4 Judd, 4-2 Wakelin
Report Gutless Wonder October 27, 2023 9:59 PM BST
Evening Lat - Wakelin still going well then
Report Gutless Wonder October 27, 2023 10:02 PM BST
until that miscue
Report Latalomne October 27, 2023 10:02 PM BST
Horrible Wakelin miscue when in to win F&M
Report Gutless Wonder October 27, 2023 10:05 PM BST
Crowd loving Trump
Report Latalomne October 27, 2023 10:06 PM BST
Sorry, mate, missed your posts.  Been a strange match, TBH.  Both been below par.
Report Gutless Wonder October 27, 2023 10:07 PM BST
Forum all over the place
Report Gutless Wonder October 27, 2023 10:18 PM BST
Ronnie turned up i see.
Report Gutless Wonder October 27, 2023 10:24 PM BST
Sijun not leaving many balls to get the snookers
Report Gutless Wonder October 27, 2023 10:25 PM BST
"Been a strange match" looks like it after that Laugh
Report Gutless Wonder October 27, 2023 10:27 PM BST
odd finish
Report Latalomne October 27, 2023 10:29 PM BST
5-2 Wakelin

Wakelin kept (seemingly deliberately) leaving Yuan pots to the middle from under the cush in the early frames, and Yuan kept missing them.  Have to say, Yuan was really unlucky with splits all night long, and I say that as someone who was with Wakelin.  Doubt he will be making the final, or getting close to it, on that showing, though he's not the first to underperform on Table 2 having played really well on Table 1.
Report Latalomne October 27, 2023 10:30 PM BST
Apologies again, mate.  Your posts weren't showing until I just posted the above.
Report Gutless Wonder October 27, 2023 10:34 PM BST
Early finish for the knackered crowd and staff for a change! Had a couple of close ones today - same tomm hopefully. Cheers Lat!
Report stu October 28, 2023 11:00 AM BST
Interesting H2H Lisowski v Wakelin at 4-0 in matches and 16-3 in frames for Jack. 3 easy wins and a shootout frame win for Jack.
Only managing 3 frames in 4 matches is pretty bad as a record against him. Wakelin obviously doesn't do well against Jack in their matchups.

As I think he also started to play poorer last match despite winning (Wakelin), had a decent bet (though fairly shortie priced around 1.37ish) for Jack to make the final here.
Report stu October 28, 2023 1:22 PM BST
Not liking how Jack started this redded at 0-1 out.
Report Gutless Wonder October 28, 2023 1:24 PM BST
1-0 Wakelin -- Not the best opening frame.
Report Gutless Wonder October 28, 2023 1:42 PM BST
1-1
Report wondersobright October 28, 2023 1:42 PM BST
afternoon all
Report Latalomne October 28, 2023 1:45 PM BST
Good afternoon.  Missed the first two frames.
Report Gutless Wonder October 28, 2023 1:47 PM BST
Not missed much so far - a few good pots from Lisowski 2nd frame about it.
Report wondersobright October 28, 2023 1:49 PM BST
trouble
Report wondersobright October 28, 2023 1:49 PM BST
can use 2 cush fouldsy
Report wondersobright October 28, 2023 1:50 PM BST
played well
Report wondersobright October 28, 2023 1:57 PM BST
too aggressive
Report wondersobright October 28, 2023 2:25 PM BST
x2
Report wondersobright October 28, 2023 2:25 PM BST
3-1 whanklin
Report Latalomne October 28, 2023 2:26 PM BST
Not good scenes for Jack, 3-1 Wakelin
Report wondersobright October 28, 2023 2:55 PM BST
some break this
Report Latalomne October 28, 2023 2:58 PM BST
Really poor stuff from Jack
Report Latalomne October 28, 2023 3:01 PM BST
4-1
Report Latalomne October 28, 2023 3:01 PM BST
75% pot success for Jack
Report wondersobright October 28, 2023 3:16 PM BST
bombed again
Report Latalomne October 28, 2023 3:36 PM BST
© Mags
Report Latalomne October 28, 2023 3:40 PM BST
Shot
Report Gutless Wonder October 28, 2023 3:42 PM BST
Smashed to bits - good call stu to get out early!
Report Latalomne October 28, 2023 3:43 PM BST
Superb from Wakelin after the interval
Report stu October 28, 2023 3:44 PM BST
Yeh, not such a good one to tip Jack though - tip my hat to Wakelin there, very solid performance.
Report stu October 28, 2023 3:44 PM BST
Glad I saw warning signs at first frame though like you say.
Report Latalomne October 28, 2023 3:53 PM BST
Wakelin now guaranteed a CoC place - makes the performance even more impressive!
Report Gutless Wonder October 28, 2023 7:32 PM BST
2-0 Baz
Report wondersobright October 28, 2023 7:53 PM BST
evening, how are both playing so far?
Report Latalomne October 28, 2023 8:06 PM BST
Baz having all the run, but he's also the only one who's turned up.

3-0
Report Latalomne October 28, 2023 8:18 PM BST
Definite signs that the worm has turned
Report Latalomne October 28, 2023 9:00 PM BST
4-2 Baz
Report Latalomne October 28, 2023 9:04 PM BST
Ballsy
Report Gutless Wonder October 28, 2023 9:15 PM BST
My pics must be miles behind - just gone 4-2 here!Laugh
Report Gutless Wonder October 28, 2023 9:24 PM BST
So close Baz
Report Latalomne October 28, 2023 9:30 PM BST

Oct 28, 2023 -- 9:15PM, Gutless Wonder wrote:


My pics must be miles behind - just gone 4-2 here!


Laugh  That's my multi-tasking for you Whoops 

I figured if I posted when I did, it might have appeared by the time it was relevant Laugh

Report Gutless Wonder October 28, 2023 9:34 PM BST
LaughLaughLaugh
Report Latalomne October 28, 2023 10:03 PM BST
I don't follow ice hockey at all, but sounds like horrific news coming out of the Nottingham Panthers match tonight....  Sad
Report Gutless Wonder October 28, 2023 10:34 PM BST
Does sound bad Lat
Report Gutless Wonder October 28, 2023 10:38 PM BST
Oh Barry!
Report Gutless Wonder October 28, 2023 10:39 PM BST
4 in a row for Trump
Report Gutless Wonder October 28, 2023 10:49 PM BST
All over for Bazza 4-1 to 4-6
Report Latalomne October 28, 2023 10:56 PM BST
Was on the phone and didn't see much of those last two frames other than Baz missing the brown for 5-4/4-5?
Report Latalomne October 28, 2023 10:56 PM BST
Not around for the afternoon tomorrow, but should be for the evening.  Be lucky.
Report appformat October 29, 2023 7:08 AM GMT
1/4 for Trump looks like buying money.
Report Latalomne October 29, 2023 8:28 AM GMT
That's what 4/11 Jack backers thought! Happy  Granted, Judd much less likely to "do a Jack" than Jack did, but Wakelin's played impressively on the main table this week and came across really well in his post-match interview yesterday, I thought.  He's clearly been putting the hours in on the area of his game he considered to be his greatest weakness (middle bags).  He's obviously unexposed at this level, which could go either way, but he doesn't give the impression he'll shy away from the challenge, IMHO - if anything, I think he's likely to relish it.  Judd might simply outplay him, however....
Report pandora1963 October 29, 2023 12:01 PM GMT
another boring final..snooker badly needs characters and there aren't many left
Report Kriskin October 29, 2023 8:13 PM GMT
Very poor spectacle.  Gulf in class was alarming
Report Latalomne October 29, 2023 8:34 PM GMT
Didn't see any of it, but that burst of 3 tons and 2x 90s in 7 frames would have beaten pretty much anybody.

Hard to believe he went a whole match earlier in the week without making a single 50.
Report Kriskin October 29, 2023 8:38 PM GMT
Some of Trump's shots tonight were absolutely class.
Report gjohn101 October 29, 2023 11:01 PM GMT
Judd will win every ranking title between now and the end of April and then lose 10-9 to Rod Lawler in the first round of the worlds.
Report stu October 29, 2023 11:36 PM GMT
Doesn't say much for Lisowski how easily Trump won that final against Wakelin, does it?

If there's a gulf in class, then it's from Trump downwards to all the others right now. But, I agree as above suggests, his real test will be to do it at the WCs.
Report Latalomne October 30, 2023 7:04 AM GMT

Oct 30, 2023 -- 12:01AM, gjohn101 wrote:


Judd will win every ranking title between now and the end of April and then lose 10-9 to Rod Lawler in the first round of the worlds.


LaughLaughLaugh

Report Latalomne October 30, 2023 7:16 AM GMT
On the subject of Jack, his honesty is very endearing, but I think we're at the stage now (in truth, we're already well past it), where he needs to stop telling everybody else how nervous he gets.  It IS a weakness, and it IS holding him back.  The whole "will he/won't he" conversation seems to have been going on for decades now, and he doesn't really seem to be any closer to getting the monkey off his back (for all his all-round game has improved).  He badly needs a psychologist in his camp if he wants to start winning titles, I would suggest.
Report gjohn101 October 30, 2023 7:51 AM GMT
Judd after his shock World championship exit: "I don't think I've ever had a worse run of ball than that. Just everything went his way and that's just snooker sometimes. I'm not that disappointed really. I've nothing to prove and I don't consider this to be that a big tournament really. I was even thinking of not entering and staying home in Bristol to play my xbox. People can talk about Ronnie and Hendry and all their world titles but they never did what I did this season. In my head that makes me the best player ever."
Report gjohn101 October 30, 2023 7:56 AM GMT
100% lats. Can't add much to that really. I do remember when Jack reached the final of Gibraltar (i think) and thinking now this has to be his time to get that monkey off his back, only for Judd to bring his A game and blast him off the table 4-0. Just shows you how ruthless Judd can be when he wants to be and Jack really lacks that edge among other things.
Report Latalomne October 30, 2023 8:51 AM GMT

Oct 30, 2023 -- 8:51AM, gjohn101 wrote:


Judd after his shock World championship exit: "I don't think I've ever had a worse run of ball than that. Just everything went his way and that's just snooker sometimes. I'm not that disappointed really. I've nothing to prove and I don't consider this to be that a big tournament really. I was even thinking of not entering and staying home in Bristol to play my xbox. People can talk about Ronnie and Hendry and all their world titles but they never did what I did this season. In my head that makes me the best player ever."


LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh

Report Latalomne October 30, 2023 9:01 AM GMT

Oct 30, 2023 -- 8:56AM, gjohn101 wrote:


100% lats. Can't add much to that really. I do remember when Jack reached the final of Gibraltar (i think) and thinking now this has to be his time to get that monkey off his back, only for Judd to bring his A game and blast him off the table 4-0. Just shows you how ruthless Judd can be when he wants to be and Jack really lacks that edge among other things.


They were indeed Macaques, mate! Laugh 

I thought it was quite enlightening to hear Jack talk about how he was "2-1 up and felt under pressure to win the next frame" in his match (I think) against Licky this week.  That in itself has to be mentally draining, if that's your default setting...  Yes, every frame is important in these BO7s, but I think the most impressive thing about this run of Judd's is that even when he's not playing well (and he hasn't always played well in this streak), and when the scoreboard's against him, he just finds away to turn things around, time after time.  The difference in belief and attitude is stark (undoubtedly the widest gap in any part of their respective games), and I know some of that can only be fixed by actually getting the job done, but I'm sure a good sports psychologist would be able to reduce the gap a bit.

Report gjohn101 October 30, 2023 9:24 AM GMT
Macaques indeed LaughLaughLaugh

I take the p!ss out of Judd but i've never NOT been a fan, even when he was going through barren spells. Like when he first came on the scene he was winning things, no hanging about, even that world final against higgins, he pushed him right to the end. Always had bottle Judd and lots of it as his hth against Ronnie in particular always showed. He was never afraid of or intimidated by Ronnie, always showed up and gradually even got upper hand on occasion. That always stood out for me. I definitely agree Jack could benefit from a good psychologist, it's crazy if he isn't already tbh, but if you're not born with that attitude, it's hard to inculcate it, especially the older you get. There's lot of Jamie Copes strewn among the rubble of the game....

Fwiw, i do think Stan is the real deal and i definitely see a bit of the young trump in him, just fearless and no respecter of reputation, not afraid to lose. Whether he has as much ability, maybe doubtful, but i think it's the first time since Judd we've seen that kind of attitide in a young player. Pressure doesn't seem to bother him and he's been dealing  with it since he was 14.
Report Latalomne October 30, 2023 9:58 AM GMT
Like most walks of life, the most successful definitely have that ruthless streak.  How many thoroughly nice, successful business people are there out there?  Not many!  As you say, I think it's either something you're either born with or you're not, but you can definitely improve without becoming a complete ar$ehole.

I'm still trying to work Stan out a bit, TBH - I've not followed him as long as you have.  I guess to an extent, he's still trying to find himself a bit, too.  Maybe it is, as you suggest, that he's possibly not quite as good, raw talent-wise, but he does things that confuse me from time to time, and I thought his game fell apart quite badly against Yuan last week - not the first time - but then I've seen him turn things around, too, like he did against Filthy when getting dry-humped.  In snooker terms, he's still a baby, so maybe trying to analyse it too much at this stage is pointless anyway...
Report gjohn101 October 30, 2023 10:19 AM GMT
Agree lats, it's too early for deep analysis. And i wouldn't say i know a lot more than you do, it's just bits I've seen about his attitude, he'll have the odd mare, I've no doubt about that, but overall i see a kid who believes in himself and will keep knocking on the door till he crashes theough it.

I remember actually when i first heard his name. It was on Eurosport during the lockdown when they were talking about the lack of young English talent and Jimmy said something like, "watch out for a kid called Stan Moody, he's only 13/14 but he's a fantastic prospect." There's been 2 kids really hyped up the last few years, Stan and Liam Davies. Everybody thought Davies was the cast iron bet, on the books of Sightright since he was 11, virtually groomed for stardom. But i noticed when it came to big tournaments and the contest for tour cards, Davies just always seemed to come unstuck against an inferior player while Stan just came along and said, fck it, I'm going straight through the door. No hanging or messing around. I honestly didn't fancy him to keep his card first time around, and he has work to do still, but I like what that says about him and it sticks with me. Time will tell as ever, of course.
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