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Anywhere doing the Outrights betting? Can't see any at the mo.
I'm Jack Lisowskis biggest critic, but what a draw he has for this (If he's up for it) He could find himself in the semis purely on merrit.
I'm Jack Lisowskis biggest critic, but what a draw he has for this (If he's up for it) He could find himself in the semis purely on merrit.
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Blimey, had to go out at 3-1 Baz. Didn't think it would go all the way, TBH!
Don't understand why you'd play them in that order, Chris. Leave him needing the two difficult ones if you miss, surely?!
Wakelin fails to take advantage of a massive fluke, and Yuan fails to take advantage of his let-off, 2-1 Wakelin.
Scruffy end to the frame with each playing a few shockers, but it goes Yuan's way. 2-2.
Sorry, mate, missed your posts. Been a strange match, TBH. Both been below par.
Sijun not leaving many balls to get the snookers
"Been a strange match" looks like it after that 
5-2 Wakelin
Wakelin kept (seemingly deliberately) leaving Yuan pots to the middle from under the cush in the early frames, and Yuan kept missing them. Have to say, Yuan was really unlucky with splits all night long, and I say that as someone who was with Wakelin. Doubt he will be making the final, or getting close to it, on that showing, though he's not the first to underperform on Table 2 having played really well on Table 1.
Wakelin kept (seemingly deliberately) leaving Yuan pots to the middle from under the cush in the early frames, and Yuan kept missing them. Have to say, Yuan was really unlucky with splits all night long, and I say that as someone who was with Wakelin. Doubt he will be making the final, or getting close to it, on that showing, though he's not the first to underperform on Table 2 having played really well on Table 1.
Apologies again, mate. Your posts weren't showing until I just posted the above.
Early finish for the knackered crowd and staff for a change! Had a couple of close ones today - same tomm hopefully. Cheers Lat!
Interesting H2H Lisowski v Wakelin at 4-0 in matches and 16-3 in frames for Jack. 3 easy wins and a shootout frame win for Jack.
Only managing 3 frames in 4 matches is pretty bad as a record against him. Wakelin obviously doesn't do well against Jack in their matchups.
As I think he also started to play poorer last match despite winning (Wakelin), had a decent bet (though fairly shortie priced around 1.37ish) for Jack to make the final here.
Only managing 3 frames in 4 matches is pretty bad as a record against him. Wakelin obviously doesn't do well against Jack in their matchups.
As I think he also started to play poorer last match despite winning (Wakelin), had a decent bet (though fairly shortie priced around 1.37ish) for Jack to make the final here.
Not missed much so far - a few good pots from Lisowski 2nd frame about it.
Smashed to bits - good call stu to get out early!
Yeh, not such a good one to tip Jack though - tip my hat to Wakelin there, very solid performance.
Glad I saw warning signs at first frame though like you say.
Wakelin now guaranteed a CoC place - makes the performance even more impressive!
Baz having all the run, but he's also the only one who's turned up.
3-0
3-0
My pics must be miles behind - just gone 4-2 here!
Oct 28, 2023 -- 9:15PM, Gutless Wonder wrote:
My pics must be miles behind - just gone 4-2 here!
That's my multi-tasking for you 
I figured if I posted when I did, it might have appeared by the time it was relevant
I don't follow ice hockey at all, but sounds like horrific news coming out of the Nottingham Panthers match tonight.... 
Was on the phone and didn't see much of those last two frames other than Baz missing the brown for 5-4/4-5?
Not around for the afternoon tomorrow, but should be for the evening. Be lucky.
That's what 4/11 Jack backers thought! 
Granted, Judd much less likely to "do a Jack" than Jack did, but Wakelin's played impressively on the main table this week and came across really well in his post-match interview yesterday, I thought. He's clearly been putting the hours in on the area of his game he considered to be his greatest weakness (middle bags). He's obviously unexposed at this level, which could go either way, but he doesn't give the impression he'll shy away from the challenge, IMHO - if anything, I think he's likely to relish it. Judd might simply outplay him, however....
Granted, Judd much less likely to "do a Jack" than Jack did, but Wakelin's played impressively on the main table this week and came across really well in his post-match interview yesterday, I thought. He's clearly been putting the hours in on the area of his game he considered to be his greatest weakness (middle bags). He's obviously unexposed at this level, which could go either way, but he doesn't give the impression he'll shy away from the challenge, IMHO - if anything, I think he's likely to relish it. Judd might simply outplay him, however....
another boring final..snooker badly needs characters and there aren't many left
Didn't see any of it, but that burst of 3 tons and 2x 90s in 7 frames would have beaten pretty much anybody.
Hard to believe he went a whole match earlier in the week without making a single 50.
Hard to believe he went a whole match earlier in the week without making a single 50.
Judd will win every ranking title between now and the end of April and then lose 10-9 to Rod Lawler in the first round of the worlds.
Doesn't say much for Lisowski how easily Trump won that final against Wakelin, does it?
If there's a gulf in class, then it's from Trump downwards to all the others right now. But, I agree as above suggests, his real test will be to do it at the WCs.
If there's a gulf in class, then it's from Trump downwards to all the others right now. But, I agree as above suggests, his real test will be to do it at the WCs.
Oct 30, 2023 -- 12:01AM, gjohn101 wrote:
Judd will win every ranking title between now and the end of April and then lose 10-9 to Rod Lawler in the first round of the worlds.
On the subject of Jack, his honesty is very endearing, but I think we're at the stage now (in truth, we're already well past it), where he needs to stop telling everybody else how nervous he gets. It IS a weakness, and it IS holding him back. The whole "will he/won't he" conversation seems to have been going on for decades now, and he doesn't really seem to be any closer to getting the monkey off his back (for all his all-round game has improved). He badly needs a psychologist in his camp if he wants to start winning titles, I would suggest.
Judd after his shock World championship exit: "I don't think I've ever had a worse run of ball than that. Just everything went his way and that's just snooker sometimes. I'm not that disappointed really. I've nothing to prove and I don't consider this to be that a big tournament really. I was even thinking of not entering and staying home in Bristol to play my xbox. People can talk about Ronnie and Hendry and all their world titles but they never did what I did this season. In my head that makes me the best player ever."
100% lats. Can't add much to that really. I do remember when Jack reached the final of Gibraltar (i think) and thinking now this has to be his time to get that monkey off his back, only for Judd to bring his A game and blast him off the table 4-0. Just shows you how ruthless Judd can be when he wants to be and Jack really lacks that edge among other things.
Oct 30, 2023 -- 8:51AM, gjohn101 wrote:
Judd after his shock World championship exit: "I don't think I've ever had a worse run of ball than that. Just everything went his way and that's just snooker sometimes. I'm not that disappointed really. I've nothing to prove and I don't consider this to be that a big tournament really. I was even thinking of not entering and staying home in Bristol to play my xbox. People can talk about Ronnie and Hendry and all their world titles but they never did what I did this season. In my head that makes me the best player ever."
Oct 30, 2023 -- 8:56AM, gjohn101 wrote:
100% lats. Can't add much to that really. I do remember when Jack reached the final of Gibraltar (i think) and thinking now this has to be his time to get that monkey off his back, only for Judd to bring his A game and blast him off the table 4-0. Just shows you how ruthless Judd can be when he wants to be and Jack really lacks that edge among other things.
They were indeed Macaques, mate!
I thought it was quite enlightening to hear Jack talk about how he was "2-1 up and felt under pressure to win the next frame" in his match (I think) against Licky this week. That in itself has to be mentally draining, if that's your default setting... Yes, every frame is important in these BO7s, but I think the most impressive thing about this run of Judd's is that even when he's not playing well (and he hasn't always played well in this streak), and when the scoreboard's against him, he just finds away to turn things around, time after time. The difference in belief and attitude is stark (undoubtedly the widest gap in any part of their respective games), and I know some of that can only be fixed by actually getting the job done, but I'm sure a good sports psychologist would be able to reduce the gap a bit.
Macaques indeed
I take the p!ss out of Judd but i've never NOT been a fan, even when he was going through barren spells. Like when he first came on the scene he was winning things, no hanging about, even that world final against higgins, he pushed him right to the end. Always had bottle Judd and lots of it as his hth against Ronnie in particular always showed. He was never afraid of or intimidated by Ronnie, always showed up and gradually even got upper hand on occasion. That always stood out for me. I definitely agree Jack could benefit from a good psychologist, it's crazy if he isn't already tbh, but if you're not born with that attitude, it's hard to inculcate it, especially the older you get. There's lot of Jamie Copes strewn among the rubble of the game....
Fwiw, i do think Stan is the real deal and i definitely see a bit of the young trump in him, just fearless and no respecter of reputation, not afraid to lose. Whether he has as much ability, maybe doubtful, but i think it's the first time since Judd we've seen that kind of attitide in a young player. Pressure doesn't seem to bother him and he's been dealing with it since he was 14.
I take the p!ss out of Judd but i've never NOT been a fan, even when he was going through barren spells. Like when he first came on the scene he was winning things, no hanging about, even that world final against higgins, he pushed him right to the end. Always had bottle Judd and lots of it as his hth against Ronnie in particular always showed. He was never afraid of or intimidated by Ronnie, always showed up and gradually even got upper hand on occasion. That always stood out for me. I definitely agree Jack could benefit from a good psychologist, it's crazy if he isn't already tbh, but if you're not born with that attitude, it's hard to inculcate it, especially the older you get. There's lot of Jamie Copes strewn among the rubble of the game....
Fwiw, i do think Stan is the real deal and i definitely see a bit of the young trump in him, just fearless and no respecter of reputation, not afraid to lose. Whether he has as much ability, maybe doubtful, but i think it's the first time since Judd we've seen that kind of attitide in a young player. Pressure doesn't seem to bother him and he's been dealing with it since he was 14.
Like most walks of life, the most successful definitely have that ruthless streak. How many thoroughly nice, successful business people are there out there? Not many! As you say, I think it's either something you're either born with or you're not, but you can definitely improve without becoming a complete ar$ehole.
I'm still trying to work Stan out a bit, TBH - I've not followed him as long as you have. I guess to an extent, he's still trying to find himself a bit, too. Maybe it is, as you suggest, that he's possibly not quite as good, raw talent-wise, but he does things that confuse me from time to time, and I thought his game fell apart quite badly against Yuan last week - not the first time - but then I've seen him turn things around, too, like he did against Filthy when getting dry-humped. In snooker terms, he's still a baby, so maybe trying to analyse it too much at this stage is pointless anyway...
I'm still trying to work Stan out a bit, TBH - I've not followed him as long as you have. I guess to an extent, he's still trying to find himself a bit, too. Maybe it is, as you suggest, that he's possibly not quite as good, raw talent-wise, but he does things that confuse me from time to time, and I thought his game fell apart quite badly against Yuan last week - not the first time - but then I've seen him turn things around, too, like he did against Filthy when getting dry-humped. In snooker terms, he's still a baby, so maybe trying to analyse it too much at this stage is pointless anyway...
Agree lats, it's too early for deep analysis. And i wouldn't say i know a lot more than you do, it's just bits I've seen about his attitude, he'll have the odd mare, I've no doubt about that, but overall i see a kid who believes in himself and will keep knocking on the door till he crashes theough it.
I remember actually when i first heard his name. It was on Eurosport during the lockdown when they were talking about the lack of young English talent and Jimmy said something like, "watch out for a kid called Stan Moody, he's only 13/14 but he's a fantastic prospect." There's been 2 kids really hyped up the last few years, Stan and Liam Davies. Everybody thought Davies was the cast iron bet, on the books of Sightright since he was 11, virtually groomed for stardom. But i noticed when it came to big tournaments and the contest for tour cards, Davies just always seemed to come unstuck against an inferior player while Stan just came along and said, fck it, I'm going straight through the door. No hanging or messing around. I honestly didn't fancy him to keep his card first time around, and he has work to do still, but I like what that says about him and it sticks with me. Time will tell as ever, of course.
I remember actually when i first heard his name. It was on Eurosport during the lockdown when they were talking about the lack of young English talent and Jimmy said something like, "watch out for a kid called Stan Moody, he's only 13/14 but he's a fantastic prospect." There's been 2 kids really hyped up the last few years, Stan and Liam Davies. Everybody thought Davies was the cast iron bet, on the books of Sightright since he was 11, virtually groomed for stardom. But i noticed when it came to big tournaments and the contest for tour cards, Davies just always seemed to come unstuck against an inferior player while Stan just came along and said, fck it, I'm going straight through the door. No hanging or messing around. I honestly didn't fancy him to keep his card first time around, and he has work to do still, but I like what that says about him and it sticks with me. Time will tell as ever, of course.
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