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By:
gobelins
When: 15 Mar 21 22:12
I think I'll probably do the most of my betting on the qualifiers in the final round, particularly given what you have just put up. Although, I usually can't resist one or two big-priced outsiders. I'll take a closer look once Cheltenham is over, but players like Carter, Dott and Perry are clearly more vulnerable in a best-of-11 than best-of-19.
By:
gjohn101
When: 16 Mar 21 09:14
Its really interesting trying to figure out if there's another Jamie Clarke lurking down among the numpties, or even another Kurt Maflin in midtown, but have to see the odds first. Lot of no hopers there. Think the 3 rounds of BO19 is the best system, understand why they deviated from it last year but not sure why it couldn't go back to way it was now. Hopefully not a permanent move.
By:
Richard LL
When: 17 Mar 21 12:59
The comms keep asking how Lesowski hasn't won a ranking event as yet, I wonder how he's got to so many finals.Laugh
He coughs up far too many chances for his opponents, goes for ridiculous plants and combos that even Cliff Wilson would turn his nose up at, he's got no C&D form, doesn't appear to have it in him mentally to beat Trump in a h2h and if anything his price looks a bit skinny..
..... so obviously I've backed him.Laugh
By:
gjohn101
When: 17 Mar 21 13:33
In a way i think jack has been a bit unlucky to keep running into judd so many times. Like, last week was gibraltar so you think judd might decide to have a week off or at least let his guard down, but no, he has to go out against his close pal and bring something close to his A game! When Bingtao won his maiden title in riga couple of years back, he got to beat frickin Mark Joyce in the final. No telling what getting over that line might bring in terms of confidence and bottle, but you sometimes need that bit of luck along the way too.

That said, crucible record doesnt inspire me, patience is a big issue with jack i think, but at same time that talent is luminous and can carry a guy a considerable distance, maybe just not all the way.
By:
gobelins
When: 17 Mar 21 18:53
Hearn will probably make the early qualifying rounds best of 3, with a re-spotted black if it goes 1-1 to save time, given the way things are going. I agree that Lisowski has been unlucky in meeting the opposition he has in those ranking event finals, but the format of most of these tournaments suits him perfectly. I think there are plenty of qualifiers who would relish a crack at him at The Crucible.
By:
elisjohn
When: 17 Mar 21 21:55
im sure that mark allen was about 18s few weeks ago now nearer 40s whats going onConfused
By:
wisewords
When: 18 Mar 21 01:01
he's too heavy. hasn't got the stamina for such a long-form tournament
By:
gjohn101
When: 18 Mar 21 09:57
Presume that must go for higgins too, if stamina is all that important. Surely he'd have no chance on that basis?

But I'd not clocked that about allen tbh. Folk have actually invested at 14/1. Think thats crazy, he's around his correct mark now i think.
By:
gobelins
When: 18 Mar 21 20:27
I think Allen will need an awful lot to fall right to win at Sheffield. When you see him play the way he did to win the Champion of Champions event, you wonder how he can be 40 to win this - maybe he was 14s at that point. A major problem he has is his inablility to be able to raise his game, or even dig in, when things are going wrong against lower ranked players. His record, in the early rounds here, is very poor, and I heard N.Foulds comment that he thinks Allen would be a major threat if he can get through the opening couple of rounds and then meet the higher-ranked players. There may be something in this.
Allen, himself, has said that he has often struggled to find the right balance between staying calm and relaxed, and yet still being able to play with that bit of fire in his belly. He also lacks cue-power, and has made some technical changes in order to try to re-dress this - but this negative means he is more conditions-dependent than most of the other top players. There's no doubt that his physical shape doesn't help, but this is probably less important than each of the other points.
By:
elisjohn
When: 19 Mar 21 07:45
by the way only 29 days to go Excited
By:
gjohn101
When: 19 Mar 21 11:18
I agree on all that gobe. But i think snooker is 95% between the lugs, if feeling fit or losing a few lbs makes you feel better about yourself, maybe that can have benefits, but a guy like higgins, for example, doesnt give a frick about it, so it's of no relevance to him. Whereas, murphy seems to be obsessing a little about it this season. Not convinced any good will come out of it for him.

Spot on about allen, cue power and table conditions. I think he's a player that benefits hugely from modern table conditions but if they're not perfect for him, he tends to get stroppy and affects his performance. Again, all comes back to head space i think.
By:
Latalomne
When: 19 Mar 21 11:22
Tubbs is a Rasson boy, through and through, and moans like fooooook about the Star / Strachan tables.
By:
gjohn101
When: 19 Mar 21 11:22
Oh and the other thing i remember thinking about allen was nobody loves those rasson tables they use for champion of champions more than him. The faster, the better for him. Play on them every day if he could.
By:
gjohn101
When: 19 Mar 21 11:23
Snap lats! 1 million per cent spot on ☺
By:
Latalomne
When: 19 Mar 21 12:28
LaughCool
By:
mr_sykes
When: 19 Mar 21 20:06
what event coming up is the cutoff for the world c'ship regarding seedings?
By:
Latalomne
When: 19 Mar 21 20:46
Next week's Tour Championship.
By:
mr_sykes
When: 19 Mar 21 20:58
cheers
By:
gobelins
When: 25 Mar 21 10:33
K.Wilson's hopes of a big Crucible run look very unlikely based on that showing yesterday. On the back of his mauling from J.Higgins a few weeks ago at the Players Championship, he looked a shadow of his former confident-self yesterday. For a player who usually looks so positive (externally at least) he looked a beaten man a long way out. I've been looking back at his results this season, and although he has been very consistent, and there has looked to be some small evidence of improvement, these 2 recent defeats look very damaging. Maybe, N.Foulds hit the nail on the head when he said that sometimes any weaknesses can be exposed in a multi-session match, which aren't always evident in these short-format matches which are staple fare these days. He still has the Championship League Winners Group to play in, but it is difficult to see how he raise his game to a level that is likely to stand up to examination at The Crucible in such a relatively short space of time.
By:
gjohn101
When: 25 Mar 21 14:43
Has Wilson been fiddling with his technique at all this year? Thought i read somewhere that he has, just never sure with him regardless. Just something about him never convinces me, has a habit of making the game look very hard at times!

First qualifier price I've seen: white 8/11 hendry evens. Not much given away there i think. Without that ton against selt, i fancy hendry is closer to 7/4-2/1.
By:
wondersobright
When: 25 Mar 21 14:45
I thought hendry shaped quite well against selt who has been on a career heater of late
By:
wondersobright
When: 25 Mar 21 14:47
comms were criticising his safety including 1 shot where he left selt 1 inch off the top cush, selt knocked long red in & they blamed the safety
jimmeh is a massive drop in grade so hendry can defo beat him, arguably should be fav
By:
wondersobright
When: 25 Mar 21 14:52
not an odds on fav though Wink
By:
gjohn101
When: 25 Mar 21 18:16
Lol. It's definitely an intriguing match for what it is, not sure I'd call it either way or want to be involved betting wise. Probably end up 5/6 the pair is my guess.
By:
gobelins
When: 25 Mar 21 19:56
Wilson made big changes a couple of years ago, but on the eve of this tournament he said: ‘Getting to the World final gave me a lot of confidence and I wanted to follow up that consistency this season, keep going, not make too many changes and just work hard.’ He made a big thing of his technical changes at the time, but although he is probably more consistent - there is no doubt the changes have not reaped the rewards he probably anticipated. His bridge hand just doesn't look like it is in a natural position being so close to the cue ball, but he has been keen to point out that the number of centuries he has made this season (which seems to be considered the accepted indicator of improvement) has increased, and therefore his cue ball control must have improved - which has been a major criticism of him in the past. His level appears to have plateaued, and his interviews following those defeats to Higgins and Selby were very downbeat. And, even though he has a very strong Crucible record, he does not appear to be in the right frame of mind to think he can win it this year.
By:
gjohn101
When: 26 Mar 21 09:39
I'm sure i remember him talking about something earlier this year, maybe the way he was setting up or addressing the shot, or along those lines anyway. But nothing technical with his cue action. Might be one I'd be looking at taking on early, depending on the draw.

Trying to figure out judd too, goes from shooting the lights out at the rubbish gibraltar event to barely mustering a b game for one of the biggest tournaments of the season. His whole demeanour was off from the start yesterday, reminded me a bit of his attitude at the crucible last year. Dunno why, whether it was table or venue or something else entirely, but would put me off him anyway.
By:
Latalomne
When: 26 Mar 21 09:50
He does that daft looking waddle into the shot.  I think he's a player who's making the most of the talent he has (ie not as much as some of the others).  He has improved his scoring a lot this season, but the old vulnerabilities against the game's best still remain.

Judd has got it in his head that he hates Celtic Manor, IMHO.  Turned up at the venue an hour before the start.  Moaned about the run of the balls from a very early stage (most unlike him), and clearly was struggling to judge the table (as was Baz, particularly early doors - and as he'd done at the previous PTC event).  Play the match at Stadium MK and get a different outcome, I suspect.

White v Hendry is an intriguing clash.  Jimmy has seen something of an upturn in form himself in the last month.  I'd still be a bit worried about Hendry being undercooked to qualify for The Crucible, but he looked like he could definitely get back into the top 64 and probably the top 32 with a bit more commitment (which he doesn't seem to have at this stage).  Not sure either of those statements apply to Jimmy.
By:
gobelins
When: 26 Mar 21 13:06
I suppose with Trump the question is whether it was simply the venue, which he dislikes, or whether there is more to it. He was very critical of World Snooker for there being no break between the end of best-of-3 thing and this tournament - which has the potential to become a very big event (Lisowski was also critical, albeit far more subtlety). He has also publicly expressed his dis-satisfaction for being removed from The Masters field due to his positive COVID test, despite having no symptoms. He was definitely ill at ease yesterday, and didn't seem to want to scrap it out. OK, he's allowed a bad day, especially playing at a venue he dislikes and with difficult playing conditions, but I'm not sure what point (if any) he was trying to make. I was definitely in the camp who were thinking 3/1 Trump for Sheffield was value, but I'm not as sure now.
By:
thegiggilo
When: 26 Mar 21 13:09
That was like the Trump of old yesterday,looked completely under pressure never looked like winning and bottled loads of frames looks like world championship nerves to me,O'sullivan will probably win this an be cut to 7/2 for the worlds..
By:
gjohn101
When: 26 Mar 21 13:55
I wouldn't be putting people off backing trump at 3/1, just yesterday puts more doubts in my mind about him. He may feel grievances about certain things, but that doesn't explain to me why he looked so out of sorts and stroppy, like he was sulking at times. Hendry had a bit of a pop at him and i thought it was fair enough. When judd underperformed at Sheffield last year, excuses were made for him then too, the usual crucible curse stuff or whatever else was ailing him. Always thought there was a chance while he was dominating the season that he'd run out of puff or just start to lose his mojo. Just not fully convinced yet that judd is straightforward when it comes to the mental side of things.
By:
gobelins
When: 26 Mar 21 21:31
It has definitely raised some questions about him gj, and I'll have to give it some thought between now and post time. And, watching Robertson today, it looks like he now enters calculations - and that's not something I thought I'd be saying a few days ago. I've never really fancied him at The Crucible, and each passing year has re-enforced the view that he is someone to oppose there. But, he looks very fresh and very focused and he has been very strong in every department today. Assuming he finishes Selby off then his seeding of 3 or 4 at The Crucible will depend on whether he wins the final, and that could be a big factor. Selby's current inconsistency is a big worry at the moment, and his past couple of outings have revealed a huge gap between his best and his worst, which hasn't really been evident to this extent before. There seems to be more questions than answers at the moment.
By:
elisjohn
When: 27 Mar 21 09:39
elisjohn • March 11, 2021 6:40 AM GMT
the only reason that im not piling in to ronnie is, im bloody scared every year that he,ll drop a bombshell, that he isnt turning up, but otherwise  near 6/1 is terrific value as the giggilo says hell be 6/4 at one point,  robertson on here now  around 14s , another thatll shorten dramatically id say.

typical didnt get onCry, only 3 weeks Happy
By:
gjohn101
When: 27 Mar 21 10:38
Good stuff from robbo this week. Playing very fluently, not second guessing himself or overthinking basic shots like he usually does. If he did that for 2 weeks at the crucible, he's probably world champion again. Still a big if for me, struggle to have that faith in him.

Still, as i keep saying, they've all got weaknesses. Robbo at 14s was a pretty fair price and Judd is getting to a fair one too, if you fancy them.
By:
mr_sykes
When: 27 Mar 21 21:24
robbo playing well alright,trump best player all season and might just be catching up with him now,hawkins coming back into a bit of form,higgins has been playing well too but value probably gone,wilson got to final last year,could be 10 years before he's back in another one,took trump a long time to get back to one,could be open this year,selby has gotten stronger in the past as tournament has gone on but he has to get throught the first couple of rounds first
By:
elisjohn
When: 28 Mar 21 07:23
i cant resist the 80s on here on bingham Wink£25 at 81.35Cool
By:
gobelins
When: 28 Mar 21 10:14
elis - Bingham may play Brecel in the final qualifying round, so that is potentially a really difficult match for him pre-Crucible. I can't argue with the price you've got, but I'm wary of backing qualifiers at this stage, in case they don't make it.

Trump has drifted back out to 4.6 on here now on the back of improved form, and support, for Robertson. I'd had a few quid on him at 4.6 and 4.7 a few weeks ago as his quarter at Sheffield looked decent enough, and still does, as long as he has regained his focus. But, I suppose that is partly the reason for the drift.
By:
gjohn101
When: 28 Mar 21 12:20
Judds quarter is very interesting. Qualifier, Gilbert, Murphy going on seeding. But could easily be Yan Bingtao instead of murphy and Yan is type of player i could see troubling judd if he's below par for some reason.

Then again, for all murphys obvious flaws, i'm not sure Yan has ever done enough to be less than half the price on the outright. Would be interested to see how that match is priced up. But couldn't be on yan at his current price anyway.
By:
gobelins
When: 28 Mar 21 13:04
I agree gj, we could easily see Murphy v Bingtao being a "pick 'em" on the day should they meet. But, you couldn't be sure either of them will negotiate their opener on current form.
By:
elisjohn
When: 28 Mar 21 14:08
just anyone interested, 365 have prices up on to qualfy for main draw , bingham is 8/15, carter 4/5 eg
By:
mr_sykes
When: 28 Mar 21 18:09
i must be looning at the rankings wrong but i see trump,mcgill,ding and maguire in the same quarter and ronnie,yan,gilbert and murphy in another quarter?unless they havent been updated properly,could see ding give trump a game if they met in same quarter
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