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after the UK its back to earth with a bump and a best of 7 crapshoot filth fest! roll on the carnage 
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I like ryan day, comes across as a very pleasant chap, but he lacks the mental ruthlessness to be a top snooker player. Makes a few qfs and rarely beyond that and that’s pretty much his level. He’s a quarter final type of player and that’s all you need to be a top 16 regular in this, the greatest snooker era ever.
Dec 14, 2018 -- 8:43PM, GRANTCKING wrote:
note to self, never back a man who marries his aunt
gj - how dare you suggest that players who have no killer instinct and were treated as cannon fodder for 10-15 years are not "great players" in this era of total greatness. In fact, how dare you suggest that a truly world class performer like Day has no killer instinct.
Imagine how many ranking events the greatest would have won had he been around in this era - 50 to 60 as an absolute minimum. I heard N.Robertson infer in a piece during the UK that players wouldn't be as scared of him in this era, as they all played a similar attacking game and that is what set him apart when he dominated the game. Outrageously, it went unchallenged. What is certain is that Robbo wouldn't have won 14 ranking events had he been around in the mid 90s, absolutely nowhere near it.
Imagine how many ranking events the greatest would have won had he been around in this era - 50 to 60 as an absolute minimum. I heard N.Robertson infer in a piece during the UK that players wouldn't be as scared of him in this era, as they all played a similar attacking game and that is what set him apart when he dominated the game. Outrageously, it went unchallenged. What is certain is that Robbo wouldn't have won 14 ranking events had he been around in the mid 90s, absolutely nowhere near it.
Hendry had 63% of his wins in the first third of his career, in other words before O'Sullivan, Higgins and Williams had got 3 years experience under their belts, imo the majority of Hendry's wins came in a era no stronger than now.
He may have won more ranking events because of there being more ranking events to play in now, but he get's rated as the goat on just a third of his career, the other two thirds he was very ordinary and not a player to be feared.
He may have won more ranking events because of there being more ranking events to play in now, but he get's rated as the goat on just a third of his career, the other two thirds he was very ordinary and not a player to be feared.
I’ve always had the feeling the thin cloths, generous pockets and fast tables would have made hendry even more of a beast than he was. Remember, one of his “weaknesses”, if you can call it that, was that he wasn’t blessed with massive cue power, at least relative to his closest rivals, a shortcoming that would count far less on these “super fine cloths”, as JV would put it. Of course there’s always the chance today’s players- though truly great as they are - would drag him down to their level but I believe he would hoover up dozens of these titles. If most of these guys still soil their keks when facing ronnie why would it be any different against a peak hendry robbo?
Not sure that's a fair comparison GJ, your putting Hendry at his peak against all the rest as you see them today, So O'Sullivan, Higgins and Williams as 43 year olds against a younger Hendry? they already saw him off as he did with Davis.
A lot gets said about how old some of the players competing are but some of Hendry's opponents where over 50, not surprising they feared his attacking game, but when the class off 92 got into their stride, it was more Hendry who felt the fear and drifted away at a relatively early age, no longer having the confidence to play his attacking game.
Although I think Robbo's comments are to build confidence and never talk your self down, I think there is some truth in there. Hendry's last two thirds of his career seem to comfirm it.
A lot gets said about how old some of the players competing are but some of Hendry's opponents where over 50, not surprising they feared his attacking game, but when the class off 92 got into their stride, it was more Hendry who felt the fear and drifted away at a relatively early age, no longer having the confidence to play his attacking game.
Although I think Robbo's comments are to build confidence and never talk your self down, I think there is some truth in there. Hendry's last two thirds of his career seem to comfirm it.
I dunno, these comparisons only really work on a superficial level anyway. But robbo was specifically referring to peak era hendry anyway so on that basis I’d say it’s fair enough. Your right as to robbos motive at least, just more unconvincing bluster from a guy whose achievements never quite match up to his big talk.
Historical trouble with snooker is the davis’ held its development back decades through running the sport as their own personal fiefdom so naturally the age profile remained high far longer than it should have. But far from being a sign of things to come the youth explosion of the 92 generation turned out to be nothing more than a blip, an exception to the rule. Despite all the changes things are regressing back to the way they were, with the added difference that there is less top quality coming through and a heap load more of abject mediocrity.
Historical trouble with snooker is the davis’ held its development back decades through running the sport as their own personal fiefdom so naturally the age profile remained high far longer than it should have. But far from being a sign of things to come the youth explosion of the 92 generation turned out to be nothing more than a blip, an exception to the rule. Despite all the changes things are regressing back to the way they were, with the added difference that there is less top quality coming through and a heap load more of abject mediocrity.
How on earth did Jimmy get away with out any ribbing there when Sam Baird says his wish is for more hair this Christmas?!?!
What the actual f... was that shot allen just played?
trebor "...the other two thirds he was very ordinary and not a player to be feared".
Very ordinary? Really? Maybe that description applies to the final 5-6 years of his career but not for 18 of his 27 years as a professional. As for the standard - I don't remember Hendry appearing in too many ranking QFs with 4 players in it as limited as D.Wells, S.Baird, A.Burden and S.Carrington.
Very ordinary? Really? Maybe that description applies to the final 5-6 years of his career but not for 18 of his 27 years as a professional. As for the standard - I don't remember Hendry appearing in too many ranking QFs with 4 players in it as limited as D.Wells, S.Baird, A.Burden and S.Carrington.
63% pot success for Allen after a frame and a half of this so far, and he's had no shortage of chances.
Allen looks out of focus, mentally shattered. See he hadn’t entered germany next week too. Don’t think he wins this match from here.
As I said earlier it would be difficult to get a quarters with players with those rankings in the 90's due to top 16 not starting untilmost of the lower ranked players have knocked each other out, but I know I can find some weak quarters from the 90's, I like a challenge.
As for Hendry being ordenary last 18 years of career there was an obvoius contender for me to compare against, Robbo of course, Hendry 4 more wins in 2 extra years, but take out Hendry's years 10 and 11 and you take out 10 wins, so over same number of years Robbo 6 ahead.
Ok so I am comparing Hendry's decline against Robbo's career so far, but that was what I was saying in my prior post.
As for Hendry being ordenary last 18 years of career there was an obvoius contender for me to compare against, Robbo of course, Hendry 4 more wins in 2 extra years, but take out Hendry's years 10 and 11 and you take out 10 wins, so over same number of years Robbo 6 ahead.
Ok so I am comparing Hendry's decline against Robbo's career so far, but that was what I was saying in my prior post.
Ah here, hendry was a machine, a rolls royce of a competitor whose decline has to be seen in the context of stiff challenges from the best generation of players ever and in their peak. Neil Robertson is a trumped up ford escort who won the softest ever world title and recorded sports most inappropriate ott celebration after achieving some meaningless scoring record. Any comparison between the two is little short of ludicrous.
Allens at IT !!!, Looks like he Wants to Go Home Regardless .
holy feck daniel wells is gonna be in the final when he was supposed to play ronnie in R1, talk about a stroke of good fortune
Different game now than earlier, Allen finally woken up and wells smelling the finish line as well as his squeaky bum.
Dec 15, 2018 -- 4:10PM, GRANTCKING wrote:
wells starting to mug really badly
I thought that was the case when I posted "Hello, hello!"
If Allen is to prevail, I won't be around to see it, and I'm not here for SF#2 either.
Quality wins in the end. Wells looked a bit crestfallen there, feel a bit sorry for him, a chance that won’t come around again in a hurry.
When he won international Allen came back from the dead to beat Liam Highfield and does it here against Danny Wells. Don’t know what he was at for four frames there though, looked like he was about to self combust.
When he won international Allen came back from the dead to beat Liam Highfield and does it here against Danny Wells. Don’t know what he was at for four frames there though, looked like he was about to self combust.
Yes, a good comeback from Allen - who just said in his interview he's been on the ale every night, and basically hasn't cared about whether he's won or lost. They tell me the standard is so high these days, and there are so many great players around. Clearly, none of them are playing here this week.
I’m convinced a few of the top players got together a couple of months back and laid bets to see who could play the worst snooker and still win matches, just to liven the tour up a bit. As things stand Allen could be in line for an added xmas bonus though higgins still pushing him close.
I think you're right gj haha. Allen gets added points for it being in a SF though. If O'Sullivan, Williams and now Allen can say after matches that they didn't care if they'd lost, and they genuinely meant it (and I believe they do) what does that say for the credibility of these tournaments?
D.Wells was matched for a few hundred at 1.06, but for a few grand at 1.07-1.1, and then all the numbers upwards. In fairness, he was leading 4-0 and by 50 in the next. From 5-2 he never got a look in after he touched the green.
D.Wells was matched for a few hundred at 1.06, but for a few grand at 1.07-1.1, and then all the numbers upwards. In fairness, he was leading 4-0 and by 50 in the next. From 5-2 he never got a look in after he touched the green.
mophee in clean here for 3-0, an allen v god final will be interesting considering theyve been on the lash all week, might have pints at the table!
Could be an interesting new handicap system being trial tested here. Top 5 in world have to drink 10 pints night before match, 10-16 5 pints, 16-32 3 pints and so on. Non drinkers may replace alcohol with any hard drug of their choice. Could have cropped up at the agm perhaps?
FR 8 must be the worst ever played between 2 top 10.
Absolute turd of a match, fittingly decided pretty much by an outrageous fluke. Dismal tournament overall, couldn’t really give a fck about who wins tomorrow but murphy needs it more badly so should win, wouldn’t bet on it though.
cooper this darts match is like watching allan taylor play mike dunn...ie terrible
Dec 16, 2018 -- 2:08PM, wondersobright wrote:
cooper this darts match is like watching allan taylor play mike dunn...ie terrible
Murphy is making too many stupid mistakes. Cannot continue this trend
That was a difficult brown and yet Murphy played it dead weight - ridiculous choice ..... but he potted it.
Lower the price money and these crooks of players will learn to close out won frames. This is just a show, nothing more, they simply dont give a ****.
gift after gift. Every frame is a coinflip in the end.
5-3 to Allen. Very pleasing session for him given how the early frames went.
God can only recover if allen turns into bigger mug modus than he was early in the match.
Has Allen been out for a skin-full between sessions?
No idea what he is trying to do. Setting up long pots which he thinks are traps and hopes God misses but he keeps potting them.
That last frame was a proper break, the rest a cmplete mess with 4-5 chances needed/frame.
He wasn't even close to getting that into the middle!
allen the champion after a week on the lash! wonder what bazza hearn has to say lol
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