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kenco
21 Feb 16 01:22
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Mark Selby is value for the World snooker championships especially now he's won and beaten O'sullivan in a final,he's probably the only real match player I rate over the  longer matches when heads right.
Even though not at his best, played his best snooker late in the match in 2014 final when beating O'sullivan,no ones ever retained title after winning it for first time so was added pressure.Also factoring in Anthony McGill hardly missed a ball in the second round match against him!!
Also shortly after winning world title had first child in November which would've been a massive negative over the forthcoming worlds,players invariably have poor periods when having children.This season with 18month old should be fresher going into the worlds,beaten easily by o'sullivan this week and a few other players in recent tournaments, but that means nothing over the longer matches at 32 there's at least another worlds maybe a couple for Selby with this all round game 12/1 looks the value.Don't normaly get involved in snooker betting as players are so mentally weak,the only player proven not to be is Selby the 12/1 looks enormous..

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Report gobelins May 1, 2016 8:36 AM BST
giggilo - be honest you want Ding to win. A 7 grand difference, and you're "not bothered either way". I would be.
Report ZenMaster May 1, 2016 10:18 AM BST
How will Dings form level out once the frames go scrappy.

What is evident with Selby is that his internal dialogue is on a different level to other players.
He computes when others wonder how.
Report YOMOMMA May 1, 2016 10:28 AM BST
Bit disappointed it's not McManus v Fu final. Hopefully Selby and Ding can play as badly as they did in the opening rounds and the WPBSA gets the final it deserves.
Report moondan May 1, 2016 10:41 AM BST
Zen

Think that was very evident this past decade but darting eyes to his mates in the stands was not so obvious as they have been recently.

Always be in my top list of players to watch but all good things come to pass.

Would be nice to see another generation tell the past its goodnight and god bless.
Report lewisham ranger May 1, 2016 11:58 AM BST
gobelins 01 May 16 08:36 Joined: 30 Aug 04 | Topic/replies: 219 | Blogger: gobelins's blog
giggilo - be honest you want Ding to win. A 7 grand difference, and you're "not bothered either way". I would be.

don't worry it's only fantasy money anyway Laugh
Report thegiggilo May 1, 2016 12:56 PM BST
Really? you wanna lay me some horses and we'll see if its fantasy money?
Report thegiggilo May 1, 2016 1:05 PM BST
gobelins
     01 May 16 08:36   



giggilo - be honest you want Ding to win. A 7 grand difference, and you're "not bothered either way". I would be

Gobelins I make anything from 300k aseason  and have won 800k in anyone season,i don't bet on snooker to make money I had a bet on it for an interest.I used to play in pro ams and practise 6/8 hours aday I was fanatical about the game till I left my job and punted full time 20 years ago.I love the game and been watching since 79 me and my brother used to write match reporta after every game when we were 5/6 still have them from those early days with all the breaks written down.I can remember spending hours trying to tune in to find out what was happening in the coral uk Higgins beat davis,in my bedroom on some sh1tty radio heart pounding as they said it had gone to a decider actually fely physiocally sick.Think they actually commentated on the break he made in the last as well befoe it came on tv.I'm an old skool snooker fanatic,although the last 15 years been full time punting and bringing up a family so just getting round to getting involved in it a lot more than I used to as bettings secondary now and kids are getting older..
Report appformat May 1, 2016 1:28 PM BST
Congrats to you Giggy, its nice to see someone doing well out of betting.
Report ccd May 1, 2016 1:53 PM BST
Nice. How much for a weekly tips email giggilo!?
Report thegiggilo May 1, 2016 2:00 PM BST
I put up some things on a thread on Talking horses site got almost 1/2 million views so prices go very quickly,just google it don't have to subscribe open forum and puntersmate that one you have to join up to get on forum..
Report thegiggilo May 1, 2016 2:36 PM BST
Mark already cueing a thousand times better than all the other rounds..
Report peckerdunne May 1, 2016 3:32 PM BST
Ding proving yet again what a complete clown he is..

Will people ever learn with this muppett

A session to spare, now i wonder who said that, my side aches so much..Grin
Report ZenMaster May 1, 2016 3:43 PM BST
Pressure pressure pressure.

Selby loves it like a masochist
Report peckerdunne May 1, 2016 3:45 PM BST
We agree....Grin
Report ZenMaster May 1, 2016 3:50 PM BST
I never have had Ding down as a pressure player.
Yu are wise pecker.Grin
Report thegiggilo May 1, 2016 4:01 PM BST
As I said at beginning of the thread greatest match player by miles of these muppetts,old skool different gravy although I still write ding off yet..
Report ZenMaster May 1, 2016 4:06 PM BST
I would go as far as saying Selby is the only player i have seen who plays his best snooker when it really counts, as well as Hendry.
And i don't mean he is in the class of Hendry but they both click in when the pressure cranks up.
Report thegiggilo May 1, 2016 5:24 PM BST
ccd     01 May 16 13:53   



Nice. How much for a weekly tips email giggilo

Todays 10/1 nap went in on talking horses just won at 7/2!!!ShockedWink
Report thegiggilo May 1, 2016 8:51 PM BST
What a clearance by ding,reminded me of Hendry under pressure that break,absolute class,,
Report thegiggilo May 1, 2016 8:51 PM BST
What a clearance by ding,reminded me of Hendry under pressure that break,absolute class,,
Report gentlemanjohn May 1, 2016 9:00 PM BST
Nice to see Ding talking as well. He's been around 12 years and I just realised I know next to fck all about his story.
Report ZenMaster May 1, 2016 9:08 PM BST
At last from the horses mouth

Selby tells Parrot that missing those last two events was purely in preparation for the World Championships.

Be quiet those theorists of personal problems!Laugh
Report gentlemanjohn May 1, 2016 9:16 PM BST
I dont know who those theorists are. My theory is that we simply dont know one way or the other Wink

So in order to miss 2 events and take a break, selby lies and invents a story about "personal issues", leading to speculation and rumours about his private life. Wouldn't it have made more sense to invent a sprained ankle if he needed an excuse at all?
Report ZenMaster May 1, 2016 9:29 PM BST
What was the story about 'personal issues' john?

I am sure the reason was 'personal reasons'

Personal reason = taking a break.

Speculation was unfounded.
Report ZenMaster May 1, 2016 9:41 PM BST
To be honest john millions of people use the old 'personal reasons' excuse to take time off work.

It covers all bases without the need of further explanation but it does encompass  ' I fancy having a break'
Report gentlemanjohn May 1, 2016 10:10 PM BST
Yes it was "personal reasons" zen, my bad there. Difference between people taking time off work is your implying they're telling porkies, fobbing off their employers, in order to get off, but when Selby is saying it, it's simply the truth. Maybe he is, I don't know, but I just don't get why he couldn't have just said I'm taking a break, because I believe it will help me prepare for the world champs. That nips all speculation in the bud, i think. Instead he said "personal reasons" and people speculated because that is what people do.
Report lewisham ranger May 1, 2016 10:16 PM BST

thegiggilo 01 May 16 13:05 Joined: 04 Aug 07 | Topic/replies: 6,868 | Blogger: thegiggilo's blog
gobelins
     01 May 16 08:36   



giggilo - be honest you want Ding to win. A 7 grand difference, and you're "not bothered either way". I would be

Gobelins I make anything from 300k aseason  and have won 800k in anyone season,i don't bet on snooker to make money I had a bet on it for an interest.I used to play in pro ams and practise 6/8 hours aday I was fanatical about the game till I left my job and punted full time 20 years ago.I love the game and been watching since 79 me and my brother used to write match reporta after every game when we were 5/6 still have them from those early days with all the breaks written down.I can remember spending hours trying to tune in to find out what was happening in the coral uk Higgins beat davis,in my bedroom on some sh1tty radio heart pounding as they said it had gone to a decider actually fely physiocally sick.Think they actually commentated on the break he made in the last as well befoe it came on tv.I'm an old skool snooker fanatic,although the last 15 years been full time punting and bringing up a family so just getting round to getting involved in it a lot more than I used to as bettings secondary now and kids are getting older..


Given you can't even spell properly or use paragraphs then I find it a stretch to believe you make 300k per season... another fantasist.
Report thegiggilo May 1, 2016 10:56 PM BST
That would a be a poor year,paragraphs and grammar what rel;evvance would that have to being one of the best judges in the business on horseracing,hope you backed this afternoons after the link I put...Wink
Report BornToWin May 1, 2016 11:09 PM BST
I've seen some of your horse racing stuff gig, you seem to be a judge alright. I am a good judge of judges, it seemed the natural path for a lazy f@ck.

I get a feeling of bitterness in your posting though, I don't believe you are where you could or should be given your talent.

For example, you apparently had Ronnie covered at 4/1 but were giving it big yippees when he went out. No mention of this in your portfolio.

Whether you are a fantasist or not, surely this is remiss no?
Report thegiggilo May 1, 2016 11:15 PM BST
Value was all on the place side of the bets for me,i backed o'sullivan as a saver on thev other two bets cannot abide the bloke never mind invest money in him..
Report thegiggilo May 2, 2016 12:11 AM BST
An anti climax the final Ding bottled it early doors and mark playing B game still,the least tired wins this match..
Report thegiggilo May 2, 2016 12:11 AM BST
An anti climax the final Ding bottled it early doors and mark playing B game still,the least tired wins this match..
Report ZenMaster May 2, 2016 12:14 AM BST
I think it's enthralling snooker, Selby backers will be enjoying it.
Report thegiggilo May 2, 2016 12:24 AM BST
I am both but it's getting to the point where tiredness will win this match I wouldn't count out ding yet..
Report thegiggilo May 2, 2016 12:24 AM BST
I am both but it's getting to the point where tiredness will win this match I wouldn't count out ding yet..
Report peckerdunne May 2, 2016 12:29 AM BST
Ding missed a trick, not too clever it seems.
Report gentlemanjohn May 2, 2016 12:34 AM BST
Good news for ding fans: it's not over, he's still in the final.
Bad news for ding fans: the longer the match goes on, the better selby will play, tiredness or no tiredness.
Report gobelins May 2, 2016 12:42 AM BST
gj - I'm not 100% sure I'd agree with you there. I'd say the longer the frames last the better for Selby, but that's not automatically the same as saying he'll play better the longer the match goes on. Ding didn't look the more tired at the end then, and he lost the last 2 frames. For all that, Selby was absolutely amazing in that 15th frame, and it definitely influenced the following frame, as Ding missed 2 longish, but very makeable reds.
Report thegiggilo May 2, 2016 12:52 AM BST
Don't agree at all the longer this match goes on more likely ding will win,if mark doesn't kill this match off tomorrow afternoon can see him completely fading,he looked knackered after round 1,if dings within 2 going into the night session wouldn't surprise me if he won.
Report gentlemanjohn May 2, 2016 1:24 AM BST
I know it's not the same thing at all gobe, but I still believe it anyway. I just think that's his make up. He played his best snooker at the end of the semi-final agaisnt Fu and I still think there's better to come from him tomorrow, he'll relish it. Yes, there's mental accumulation and he looked tired while ding still looks comparatively fresh, but i'm not getting roped in by that. Selby will be back fresh as a daisy tomorrow and i bet ding is the one showing the cracks tomorrow. Just a hunch really but that's how i see it anyway.
Report thegiggilo May 2, 2016 1:48 AM BST
Think that's what everyone expects if ding wins from this position would be a major shock,like I said if ding gets a sniff that selbys fading I can see him upping his game although it could be all over by the asfternoon.Marks my favourite player I just get the feeling,if ding plays well he's going to find it hard to up his game..
Report thegiggilo May 2, 2016 1:53 AM BST
The beautiful thing about it as I stated in original write up these players now he's making them look like mugs,the lot of them over these longer matches playing his b game all tournament and he could still win it.I don't see any reason why Selby and ding can't dominate these worlds for the next 4/5 years as well everyone else just havn't got the bawls..
Report gentlemanjohn May 2, 2016 2:06 AM BST
I think major shock is over egging it. Its only 7-10, stranger things have happend in snooker, stranger things have happened over past 2 weeks. Wouldnt surprise me to see Ding claw his way back tmorrow, even sneak into a lead, but thats when the serious questions will be asked. I have few doubts about selby at that point, but ding i'm still not convinced, there's another wobble in him in this match yet.
Report thegiggilo May 2, 2016 2:21 AM BST
Perhaps it wouldn't be major shock but the general concensus amongst anyone who follows snooker is dings gonna choke,very much doubt many think he's going to win.Have already sorted my bet for next year will definitely be ding even if he loses he hasn't played well but still battled,all the others are useless will take mark another two years to get over this final.Just hope dings odds are decent...
Report Howellsy May 2, 2016 9:38 AM BST
If I was in Ding's corner I'd be focusing on the simple pots Selby missed in that final frame last night under no pressure other than fatigue. Ding kept on playing with two snookers needed. I saw Selby looking at him as he left the table, almost expecting him to concede, but Ding gave him some of his own medicine and dragged it out, finally exposing a weakness in Selby which few others could have done in these circumstances. I think that was an important message from Ding. I think the market is skewed slightly too much towards Selby. There have been plenty of 4+ frame turnarounds on the Monday. This could turn out to be a classic war of attrition tonight but Ding must win this afternoon session 5-3.
Report gobelins May 2, 2016 10:08 AM BST
gj - I wouldn't be surprised to see Selby play better today than yesterday, that's what most people (me included) thought would happen - so it's a big worry for Ding if that does happen, given he trails 7-10. Also, looking closely at Selby's Crucible rercord - Selby has only ever lost twice here when he has led at the end of any interval (lost 8-10 to M.king from 5-4 in 2008 and lost 10-13 to B.Hawkins from 9-7 in 2013). This shows that he is incredibly difficult to overhaul once he gets in front, and it may be significant that both of these players are very sound tactically and had to win the satety battle against him, as opposed to blasting him off the table. I think Ding must match Selby tactically to win today, and that in itself will result in longer frames and a longer match, so Ding has it all to do. And, it goes without saying that he needs to be at his mentally sharpest for all the reasons you've outlined.
Report ZenMaster May 2, 2016 10:40 AM BST
Ding needs to win 11-7 or better from here on in.
Selby certainly needed his bed last night but i bet he slept really well.
Those snippets of facts that goblins mentions prove what a task Ding has on his hands.
A few more 60 minute frames on there way i'm sure
Report gentlemanjohn May 2, 2016 12:39 PM BST
Yep going to be a long day I feel, and fancy a lateish finish even if the match doesn't go all the way. Ding is quite prepared to slug it out with selby if needs be, often taking as much thinking time for straight forward shots, and it wasn't unusual that he dragged out the last frame as I recall him playing on a couple of times against McManus when he needed 3 snookers, even 4 at one point I think. Of course, likely only one winner in that scenario, but then it's a pretty hard thing to avoid being ensnared in selby's trap, particularly for a crucible final rookie.
Report thegiggilo May 2, 2016 3:47 PM BST
The best final in last 15 years,got everything absolute class like going back to the 90s absolutely fantastic stuff...
Report thegiggilo May 2, 2016 5:39 PM BST
Marks going into the GOATS always thought he was anyway but unless you win a couple then hard to say it,regardless of that still one of the best matchplayers of all time.Not even playing his best either,but upped his game a little today ding would have to play his very best to win from 14-11...
Report gentlemanjohn May 2, 2016 5:55 PM BST
Get the feeling this is going to mean a lot more to selby than the first title if he holds it together. All the fist-pumping, the piques of anger, flinging the extension on the ground, swiping his cue through the air, never noticed that kind of stuff from him before, or at least to such an extent.
Report thegiggilo May 2, 2016 6:09 PM BST
All those things he's been doing are usually conjusive to losing,too intense and all the looking round in the o'sullivan final he was calm throughout just concentrated on the table.Dings played ok if he'd played his best he probably would've won,can't really knock him in first world title final,definitely will be winning a couple of these with this experience.
At least he's quashed the biottling tag,wouldv'e been quite easy to chuck it in early part of the match think he's twitched on a couple but been a little unlucky.Been fantastic final,most enjoyable for a long time didn't even watch last years hopefully these two wil go on and win a few more between them..Cool
Report BornToWin May 2, 2016 6:12 PM BST
Selby does all he can to throw the natural players out of their rhythm. Did the same in his first final to a bemused looking Higgins. Was laughable at times. Then he bored Ronnie to tears, now he is doing the same to Ding.

Call it matchplay if you like, he is one giant bore and not what the game needs.
Report YOMOMMA May 2, 2016 6:15 PM BST
SELBY OUTPLAYED OSULLIVan in the later stages of his 1st title. in this one he's been sh1t and had to bore junhui in to submission.
Report YOMOMMA May 2, 2016 6:17 PM BST
The standard has never been lower. You would never have someone winning the world title without being in form previously. 2 weeks and he hasn't had to fire.
Report gentlemanjohn May 2, 2016 6:31 PM BST
I suspect selby is showing more emotion here because he's had, even by his standards, a fairly torrid 2 weeks getting to this point and when he eventually falls over the line, it'll be in an exhausted heap. I'm not so certain how many more world titles he could win in thsi manner to be honest.

So what about the standard. It is what it is. Quality-wise this has been a pretty good match, the second frame of that session was another absolute belter, Davis is completely right, selby is an animal and if you can't appreciate and applaud that, well what's to say really.....
Report thegiggilo May 2, 2016 6:44 PM BST
Two predictions on scorelines 17-12 Selby 17-15 ding...
Report trebor May 2, 2016 7:08 PM BST
I will bet neither of those will be the winning scoreline
Report thegiggilo May 2, 2016 7:44 PM BST
What a cut on that black cheeky little clearance..Shocked
Report BornToWin May 2, 2016 7:45 PM BST
Its up to 18 gig.
Report thegiggilo May 2, 2016 8:12 PM BST
What a fookin shot ding played there with checkside out of baulk can't even think of another player bar Selby that would've played that ,unreal stuff..
Report thegiggilo May 2, 2016 9:03 PM BST
What a final,knew ding would up his game at some point as I said last night,he couldn't could he...
Report Catch Me ifyoucan May 2, 2016 10:06 PM BST
FAT LADY singing for Jester and earlier for LEICESTER - Not only did Leicester City win the league, but they did it with two games to spare. What an achievement.

One of the most amazing nights in the City's history...Fcuk ! Devil
Report thegiggilo May 2, 2016 10:12 PM BST
Unlucky dinghy losing to one of the GOATSCool,your turn will come just run into the greatest match player of all time proper snooker,that kencos got the game by the crystallites,lovely opening postCool.We await next years instalment..ShockedWink
One of the most enjoyable worlds in last 15 years!Lovereckon there's still a god chance of dinghy being a GOAT yet as well,the rest are cannon fodder..
Report Catch Me ifyoucan May 2, 2016 10:28 PM BST
Selby - the only player that can grow a beard during a frame of snooker !
Report thegiggilo May 2, 2016 10:41 PM BST
Non personal problems either?,we shall see more to be revealed no way that was the face being in a happy place..
Report gobelins May 2, 2016 11:09 PM BST
Great opening call kenco. You put a lot of very good arguments forward, and Selby would have been on my short list especially having been drawn in a relatively easy quarter, but missing those 2 tournaments put enough doubt in my mind. Maybe, it was simply a case of him getting some rest and preparing better for Sheffield, but he didn't look and act like someone who had reasons to be estatic at the end. It was puzzling how little time he spent celebrating and wanting to be photographed with his wife and young child. I hope everything is OK there. Anyway, well played Mark, you are a true champion.
Report thegiggilo May 2, 2016 11:22 PM BST
Something that I have suffered with maybe the cause depression,winning means nothing it's just a way of giving you a distraction when he won that distraction had gone reality kicked in...
Report thegiggilo May 3, 2016 12:30 AM BST
Perhaps he was just in a rush to get over to the Leicester house party..Wink
Report thegiggilo May 3, 2016 2:30 AM BST
Just been reading something from 2010 when o'sullivan said Selby hadn't got the game to win world titles,what an utter t@at this bloke is absolutely clueless and gets stuffed by him as well,unbelievable..Shocked

You're very quiet moondan,mark did the business again playing his ''b'' game,can't believe you said he was finished he's different gravy to these muppetts.And if he ever comes into the tournament playing well with better attitude no reason why he can't win another,no excuses for ding next year now got the experience if he doesn't win it next year he never will.I will probably back ding but I get the feeling he's only going to be 6/1 so might not bother,there will be even less value next year as Selby will be fav with o'sullivan won't be betting at those prices.
Report ZenMaster May 3, 2016 7:54 AM BST
No player on earth will want to face Selby in the WC again, especially at the semi final stages. He may actually be in the position were they are almost defeated before they play him. He is the ultimate grinder of the game, a real throw back. Far too patient and far to clever for the modern player.

On top of that when he is a great potter and if he has the cue ball under control he scores heavily enough to finish frames off in one visit. He has it all.

I really enjoy watching Mark play, however i did think that he was too negative in that second last frame when he refused a straight pink in the middle bag, electing to knock it safe. He can be forgiven though as it was to close within one of winning the World Title for the second time.

No idea what White and O'Sullivan were saying about the result as i have lost respect for them for putting Mark's game down, when it is a classic old style type which is perfect for the thinking mans snooker enthusiast.
Report gentlemanjohn May 3, 2016 12:07 PM BST
Except Zen there was no red to play for if he'd potted that pink. An extra six points? Sure. But there was no attacking shot to play unless he took on an extremely risky green or did a trick shot bump the white off the angle of the pocket, which Hendry, rather laughably, seemed to be suggesting.

In fact both Hendry and Taylor made themselves sound a bit silly in that frame. When Selby was pondering a safety shot, Taylor was suggesting all sorts of possibilities. Then selby simply doubled the red into the middle pocket. Pot the black, pot the black, hendry was saying, but selby trickled up behind the black. "Has he put himself in trouble here," dennis squawked. No, you idiot. He's just gone and won himself the frame.

It's why I believe, although he's not my favourite commentator, that Doherty is the most perceptive, because he sees those shots quicker and more clearly than all the others, Hendry included.
Report thegiggilo May 3, 2016 12:23 PM BST
That experience for Ding being 6-0 down and not giving in and having to match Selby in that type of game has now shown him how to play the game properly and adapt,a massive positive for world championships.He looked to enjoy it as well will almost certainly be my pick next season,but the prices will probably be diabolical and of course if Selby can actually turn up and play his A game absolutely no reason why he can't win another.
Report YOMOMMA May 3, 2016 12:52 PM BST
It's impossible to call as the last 2 years have shown - it's pot luck on bucket pockets.

No one would have picked Bingham last year and no one in their right mind would have picked Selby after watching him struggle terribly in his opening matches against also rans Milkins and Baird.

All the best players went out in the early rounds. The world championship is not a test of the best players like it used to be. It's like a game of pool where the 1st player in wins the rack.

A player like Dave Gilbert having a pot success of 94% would be unheard of in the 90's.
Report thegiggilo May 3, 2016 1:01 PM BST
It makes selbys win even more remarkable as he wasn't scoring he had to play against the potters and stop them,so was at a huge disadvantage on those tables if the tables had been tighter his safety lay would've been even more teling..
Report ZenMaster May 3, 2016 2:08 PM BST
Except Zen there was no red to play for if he'd potted that pink. An extra six points? Sure. But there was no attacking shot to play unless he took on an extremely risky green or did a trick shot bump the white off the angle of the pocket, which Hendry, rather laughably, seemed to be suggesting.


John, the straight forward roll the pink in and play safe off the two reds near the black cushion and put the white up somewhere on the baulk cushion. It was straight forward.
Mark was obviously betwixed and between with the pressure at that stage. It was an over negative shot, another 6 points would have meant he only needed one more red and a colour.

Also Hendry was tongue in cheek and said the words 'surely not at this stage of the match'.....regarding that middle pocket bump shot.
Hendry, like almost everyone thought Selby was going to drop that pink in and play safe off the the reds. Hendry was obviously picking up on how Selby was cuing the shot, which would be odd for a simple roll in.

All in all Hendry mind was ticking at a higher stratosphere to your own John Wink....
Report trebor May 3, 2016 2:26 PM BST
Hendry and Thorne call so many bad shots imo, nothing wrong with putting the red safe, as you say he only needed one more red, so he did not need the pink to win the frame, Ding did tho, also the two reds where safe so he was giving Ding a chance to make a mistake now he had to move them.

When I say Hendry and especially Thorne call bad shots it is as if their way is the only way, they don't seem to take into account how the player feels about the shot, Thorne says he may not get a better chance to open the reds, we will see if he regrets that, as if nothing could possibly go wrong when Thorne says go into the pack, then reminds us if it goes wrong later and forgets if player goes on to clear up.
Report gentlemanjohn May 3, 2016 2:44 PM BST
Whether he potted the pink or not, he still only needed another red and a colour (albeit a black if he played safe). But Selby saw the bigger picture. Put the pink safe and play a telling snooker behind the blue (with the pink cutting off the easy escape route on that side), he simply failed to execute the shot, but it was a good decision that the comms didnt see. I didn't see it either, of course, but that's why I'm sat at home and Selby is two-times world champion.

I think Zen if you and Hendry came down from the clouds sometimes you might actually see how the balls lie Wink

And fair play if you can decipher serious hendry from tongue in cheek hendry. He has great qualities as a commentator, a serious addition to the BBC team, but he suffers from roy keane syndrome, in that he still cant see things from lesser perspectives other than his own. I think Keane gradually grew out of that, so too will hendry in time.

trebor, i agree with you on thorne especially, although i don't dislike him at all as a commentator. Doherty seems to me to get it spot on fairly regularly, but there may be those up on high who disagree with that Happy
Report ZenMaster May 3, 2016 3:22 PM BST
If Selby pots the pink, he goes 43 up.
He then plays safe and leaves the cue on the top cushion, perhaps a snooker behind the brown.
Ding is under loads of pressure to not bring a red out in the open, as Selby only needs the one red and ANY colour.

Selby refused the pink, to play a snooker behind the blue - even if successful quite an easy escape of both long rails to nestle up to the reds.
Also the pink is not safe on that cushion if Ding was clearing up the colours, and could even be used to play a snooker behind the black if Ding doesn't land ok on it or it is ideal for a double.

The non negative shot was to drop the pink in and play a baulk safety and put Dig under pressure that way.
Tippy tappy snookers, can suddenly feed too much negativity if there is a good alternative.
As i said, it wouldn't have been a hard snooker to get out of or even leave safe.
Report ZenMaster May 3, 2016 3:23 PM BST
*cue ball
Report ZenMaster May 3, 2016 3:26 PM BST
Ding is under loads of pressure to not bring a red out in the open, as Selby only needs the one red to go 44 up!

HE DOESN'T NEED ANOTHER COLOURLaugh
Report gentlemanjohn May 3, 2016 3:40 PM BST
Ok i'll get it right this time....


No zen, he's 36 points up when he pots red, 42 if he takes the pink. I mean, how on earth would he not pot pink if it meant he only needed one more red? That's an entirely different scenario.

I think where I disagree is in saying the snooker behind the blue would have been a straighforward escape. For me, it most certainly isn't (and for a player of Ding's calibre too i hasten to add!). Like I said, the pink is cutting off the escape down one side. He can escape the other side, maybe twice across the table, but he'd have to be precise or else he'll probably leave something, the plant looks as it it can be made too, though not sure if he'd ever have played that.

I'm not saying there was anything wrong with potting pink and playign a telling safety. Just that your earlier description of what Selby did as negative is not accurate. In fact, what Selby was doing was avoiding the obvious, more negative, shot and playing a shot that he hoped would be a frame clincher. He actually played the thoughtful, positive shot that none of the comms picked up on. He might have won it either way, but it shows what an extraordinary tactical mind is at work there. I thought you, a committed Selby fan, wold appreciate that.
Report ZenMaster May 3, 2016 3:57 PM BST
John, i realise that i put Selby would have been 42 up and was merely mocking myself by mistakenly putting 43, anyway.....

If you only need one red and ANY colour, it is a a similar scenario as just needing one red because you pot the red, highly likely you will be on a colour, if not you then play a snooker as your opponent can only draw with two reds, two blacks and all the colours. One foul and your opponent needs snookers.

I imagine Ding was pleasantly surprised when Selby turned down the pink. The snooker would have been an easy get out, if Selby had been successful at it..and the pink is hardly a problem on that cushion.

I still feel it an overly negative choice of shot, as there was more pressure for Ding to play the white from the baulk with Selby only needing one red and any colour.
Report gentlemanjohn May 3, 2016 5:39 PM BST
I have watched the frame again. Cannot agree that the snooker would ahve been an easy get out, if he played it the way he wanted to, he would have blocked off the one cushion escape both sides of the table and Ding would have been in a whole world of trouble.

But I'm not saying it was the right choice of shot. In fact, it makes my argument to agree definitively that it was not. Because, as we can both agree, the percentage shot was to pot the pink and inch closer to the snooker required line. That's precisely what 99 out of 100 players would have done. But Selby is not 99 out of 100 players and that is why he is world champion for the second time. He opts to take on the harder shot because he believes it will win him the frame if he can pull it off. But as we see, he fails to do so.

So long story short. The wrong shot? Yes probably. Negative shot? Not in a million years.
Report ZenMaster May 3, 2016 8:56 PM BST
That shot was not to provide his best chance of winning but a shot choice of trying not to lose.

That would be a negative safety shot.
Report gentlemanjohn May 3, 2016 10:49 PM BST
Ok we'll call it a negative shot then...but it wasn't the obvious shot so i'll just applaud selby for that. And I like it that after he doubles the red, Hendry suggests potting the black into the middle while Taylor predicts he'll put the black safe. I think it just goes to show that Selby really is in a higher stratosphere than all of us Happy
Report ZenMaster May 4, 2016 10:34 AM BST
To be fair there both shots that Hendry and Taylor preempted could have looked like the right shot if Selby had played them.
Ding could have got out out of the snooker well and then got in later and won the frame and then Selby may have regretted not going for the black in the middle.
Hindsight is always smug john.Happy
Report Blackrock May 4, 2016 1:35 PM BST
Congrats to Mark Selby. He truly is a warrior. He knows most snooker matches are won between the ears.

Trump will never be world champion unless he wises up and starts playing the correct shot. Ronnie gets beat by players who are not in his stratosphere, all too often.

Glad Ding has shown what he really is capable of, and Marco Fu was a credit to himself.
Report gentlemanjohn May 4, 2016 2:10 PM BST
Apologies for seeming smug zen...its not intended, hindsight is all we got from this side of the fence

Nor do I think i am somehow cleverer than either taylor or hendry, not a chance, i just think it shows how trying to second guess selby is so often a futile business. What i most like about those 2 shots is how in the first there's an obvious shot on but he avoids it to play a riskier snooker, while in the second he actually plays the obvious shot while both commentators suggest alternative and, in hendry's case, a much more difficult, shots.


saying i'm somehow cleverer than taylor or hendry, just that second guessing selby is a rather futile business. What i like about the two shots is in the first there's an obvious route but he avoids it to play a more difficult snooker while in the second he actually takes the obvious shot while both commentators suggest alternative and, in one case, a much more difficult shot. If we accept that selby plays a much more cerebral brand of snooker than most of his opponents, then i think there's two fine examples of it. Hindsight speaking of course Wink

And maybe Ding could have chosen a better escape route off the last snooker, swerving with left hand side was always going to bring cue ball into middle of table. Not sure what great alternatives were open to him though.
Report gentlemanjohn May 4, 2016 2:11 PM BST
Almost, but not quite, a double post. Maybe i need some fresh air Happy
Report appformat May 4, 2016 7:41 PM BST
was a tactical masterclass by Selby....
surely going to win more World Championships.
Report thegiggilo May 4, 2016 9:32 PM BST
Like everyone who wins it,he was fortunate that in the first two rounds he didn't draw someone in form very rare for a player to not get lucky in at least one match in the worlds,i doubt he can win it playing like that again.If he brought his A game then obviously would have a great chance,but in all honesty I havn't seen him in his A game for yearsShockedcertainly will be unbackable next year probably 6/1.Think he's one of those players now he's only going to be value once he reaches the semi or final as over those distances he chances increase considerably.
Report thegiggilo May 15, 2016 3:08 AM BST
Where are you moondan,not like you to comment on the world final..
Report Pokermonster May 19, 2016 12:05 AM BST
Gobelins wrote on 21st April 2016 at 18:57:

Pokermonster and Jed haven't appeared so far, I was thinking it might be one of them.


Not me, sir.  I have but one alias on Betfair...that of Poker Dane.

Report moondan May 23, 2016 7:14 PM BST
Giggs,

I have always found the final a sad couple of days as its almost over and this year because of commitments I had to watch the recordings through the night.
I had both in the final and worked it so my take was almost equal but I swear to God that I will rarely back either again.
Like so many finals in recent years it lacked any real quality and think both have run their races.

Anyway catch you when a proper title is up for grabs and that must be december.CryCryCryCryCry
Report ZenMaster May 24, 2016 8:05 PM BST
Quality finals are a rarity moondan, it's the nature of so many draining matches to get there.

The one sided finals are an anti climax and the closer ones are nitty gritty matchplay types.
Still an amount of tension to soak up but mistakes abound.
Last years final was amassed with quality break building, but then the size of the pockets upset folk.
Report thegiggilo May 25, 2016 11:09 AM BST
Again though it showed what a fantastic matchplaer Selby is,different class on a thinking level and according to every pundit for the last 20 years you can't win without an attacking game because the standards had risen!!LaughThat was the beauty of it,Selby showed that it is possible to win playing your b game and just give nothing away was great to see.Also showed how cheap some of the world titles o'sullivabs nicked as well,as been saying for years mentally the weakest bunch of snooker pros in 15 years..Cool
Report thegiggilo November 22, 2016 2:39 PM GMT
DUNNO HOW YOU DO IT ANDY MATE...
Report thegiggilo November 22, 2016 2:39 PM GMT
DUNNO HOW YOU DO IT ANDY MATE...
Report thegiggilo April 23, 2019 2:43 PM BST
Well done kenco...
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