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21 Oct 16 20:04
Date Joined: 09 Oct 07
| Topic/replies: 8,177 | Blogger: spyker's blog
Yet again another self justifying and ridiculous call in a rugby match made by officials after seeing a replay (sale yellow). It is now beyond a joke and top class rugby has to sort this nonsense out. That was hardly late and there are plenty more tackles that involve less 'arms' that get away with it but because the ref has looked at it he has to be seen to do something if, as many situations do in rugby, something 'looks' dodgy . More and more games are ruined like this and I'm bored to death of it.
Rant over!
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Report in hell October 22, 2016 8:50 AM BST
And another in the NZ vs AUS game , AUS robbed of a try
Report als boy October 22, 2016 9:29 AM BST
Another howler from the tmo,so obvious it,s pathetic
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE October 22, 2016 10:48 AM BST
That disallowed try against the Wallabies utter utter sh1te decision. At an absolutely crucial time. When I was just a naive youth I imagined that a TMO would be a Godsend but it's just a nightmare. The refs at club rugby level have the same accuracy percentage without video replays and wasting ten minutes of our time.

Remember back in 2007 when the All Blacks had some dodgy calls against them in a World Cup match and how they howled and cried till this day about it despite never being on the wrong side of a ref since.
Report spyker October 22, 2016 5:20 PM BST
So now the quins player has been penalised (via video ref) of stopping himself from putting the ball in?
Report northanlite October 23, 2016 8:32 AM BST
TBF Nige really didn't want to disallow that Aussie try today and he really pushed the TMO to be clear but given that the TMO has all the TV angles he could not really argue. You could see on his face his was not at all convinced about it.
Report JustWinBaby October 23, 2016 11:07 AM BST
Possibly a game changer - Australia with the chance of being up 17-15 and instead after that decision the AB's score at the other end to put the game to bed. Such a shame a good game was ruined by poor officiating.
Report spyker October 23, 2016 11:08 AM BST
Just seen the aussie disallowed try and if that isn't given then nor should about 20% of tries for the same reason! Northan - your point and the quins **** up elegantly illustrates the farce around tmo  - just who makes the decision? Some refs seem to consult the tmo over nothing, some virtually ignore them, some go with their own eyes and use the tmo to help, some say 'over to you'. No one seems to know what the hell is going on and there are as many (if not more) mistakes. How Poite and the video ref managed to conspire to turn a quins throw in into a pen to Edin for stopping the ball from being thrown in is a mystery that we will hear no more about! it shoild have been the other way roind and had a direct influence on the result
Kam, I stopped watching NZ (or at least being bothered abut watching them) a few years back as what they are allowed to get away with while the other team is reffed in a totally different way, has spoiled it for me. We now have a situation where they are the best team in the world by some distance and have been reffed as if they do no wrong for some years. At the very least one can say they get many more of the 50/50's than they should.
Video reffing has changed nothing in sorting out the problems it was deigned to sort out and created many more.
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE October 23, 2016 2:04 PM BST
Very well put spyker your description of the vagaries of the ref/TMO relationship is spot on and the NZ observation there's nothing I can add.
Report j foxxxx October 23, 2016 2:33 PM BST
You should see what Rob Kearney's just got yellow carded for in the Montpelier-Leinster match. French FB chips the ball ahead, Kearney stands still, French guy runs into him and goes down in a heap. Wasn't even a penalty and he gets a yellow. I agree with your overall point but joke refs are not helping either.
Report spyker October 23, 2016 2:58 PM BST
Cheers Kam. That Lein yellow is the perfect illustration of what has gone wrong with tmo's. From my understanding 1 of the reasons for tmo's was to clear up plays like that - fast moving, possible foul play that has had a material impact so have a look. However too many times it seems it's guilty until proven innocent - in other words the officials think if they don't give a foul then they look like they've made a mistake. Cricket went through the same thing and while that is far from perfect at least the officials are over the ego problem of being shown to be wrong.
It wasn't a yellow and wasn't even a pen - if it was then players now have to actively get out of the way of an oncoming player but the refs, more often than not, seem to err on the side of 'they must have done something'. The whole process needs to be looked at lock, stock and barrel and totally revamped as it's a pure mess atm for all concerned.
Report The_KAMIKAZEE_DRINKING_MACHINE October 23, 2016 3:04 PM BST
Never saw it but it's a pet hate of mine. Kicker puts in a kick and runs into a bloke braced for a collision. Yellow card and a joke.
Report TheVis October 23, 2016 6:14 PM BST
Joke card agreed. Kearney cannot disappear. Held his ground and french bloke ran into him. What's he supposed to do?  Pres a secret trap door button to get out of the way??  :)
Report northanlite October 23, 2016 8:19 PM BST
I'm guessing you would agree with this article then spyker..................

All international teams bend the rules in order to accentuate their strengths and hide their weaknesses, it’s just that New Zealand – as in most things rugby – do it much better than most.

However, if there is one team that does not, in the words of the immortal Beatles song “need a little help from their friends” when it comes to being street-wise and stretching the laws beyond their limits, it is the double world champions. And yet, they are the recipients of not just a little help from match-officials, but an overflowing charitable fund.

In this edition of a Southern Hemisphere Rugby Championship in which, so far, the All Blacks have gone through their opponents like a dose of salts, it appears that referees, their assistants, and TMOs are queueing up to pay homage to them. As Eddie Jones has remarked, New Zealand rule the rugby world in most respects, including having more admirers among World Rugby’s elite match officials than is good for the game. And it shows. Repeatedly.

It is imperative that international match officials – who are well-paid professionals – remain objective and impartial in their treatment of all teams. Yet, the regularity with which they have ignored and waved through All Black infractions during the Rugby Championship, often tipping the scales in New Zealand’s favour when matches are in the balance, is in grave danger of undermining their credentials and credibility.

Steve Hansen and his squad have been lauded for their excellence, with the plaudits raining down from all sides. Much of it is well deserved, because New Zealand are playing with a speed of thought and execution in attack which is unrivalled. Their suffocating defensive press is almost as impressive, although like many of the best defences it habitually pushes the offside line past breaking point.

However, as the wily Hansen concedes, the All Blacks are not perfection incarnate. And that probably goes a long way to explaining the frequency with which they use blocking runners to obstruct defenders, and forward passes to break the gain-line.

The idea that the All Blacks are being allowed to play to a different rule book is also evident on the disciplinary front, where New Zealand tight-head Owen Franks recently escaped scot-free despite a similar hands-near-eyes infringement to those that last season earned lengthy bans for Chris Ashton (ten weeks) and Mario Galarza (nine weeks).

Where Argentine lock Galarza missed the entire 2015 World Cup after his hands came into contact with New Zealand lock Brodie Retallick’s eyes during their opening game of the tournament, Franks mysteriously managed to escape being carded, or cited, despite having his hands in contact with Australian lock Kane Douglas’ eyes during a line-out in Wellington.

Although Argentina’s world rugby vice-chairman Agustin Pichot has raged against the inconsistency shown by match-officials, the reality is that where most players from most countries would have been summarily sin-binned, Franks stayed on the field after the sixth minute incident.

The advantages of match-official blindness to New Zealand infractions are clear to see in any objective analysis of their recent games – in most of which they have enjoyed home advantage.  With New Zealand leading Australia 10-6 in Wellington the hosts pulled clear with a try when centre Malakai Fekitoa made a blocking run in front of Beauden Barrett which impeded three Wallabies from being able to tackle the fly-half.

The main man responsible for defending the channel was Samu Kerevi, who tripped after making contact with Fekitoa. This allowed Barrett to race through a huge gap and give Israel Dagg a scoring pass for a 15-6 lead. New Zealand did not look back – and nor did the referee, or the TMO.

Next came Argentina, who rattled New Zealand with a spirited first-half performance in Hamilton. Just after the interval New Zealand led 24-22, but were fortunate to have an advantage of any sort after being awarded two highly questionable tries by referee Craig Joubert.

The first of these, scored by Julian Savea, was created by a blatant blocking run by centre Ryan Crotty which opened the gap for the winger by obstructing his Argentine opposite number, Juan-Martin Hernandez, from making a tackle. The second NZ try saw Fekitoa tackled to the ground in the build-up, after which he placed the ball back and released it. Then, off his feet in a prone position, Fekitoa played the ball off the ground illegally, flicking it up to a support runner, with the move ending in a try for Ben Smith.

To add insult to injury, Crotty’s try in the 53rd minute – which proved decisive as it gave New Zealand a 31-22 advantage – was also awarded after lax refereeing. Although Barrett made a couple of brilliant attacking runs, when the second finished with a pass out of the tackle to Crotty which looked more forward than flat, it was crying out for referral to the TMO.

Instead, with the Pumas handicapped severely by poor refereeing, and an All Black side which had taken full advantage to get on a roll, the match went from being highly competitive to one-way traffic.

Last but not least was the 55th minute try awarded to Ardie Savea which swung last weekend’s match against South Africa in Christchurch decisively in New Zealand’s favour. With the All Blacks leading 22-13 the Springboks were hit by a trio of officiating howlers which ended in an unjustifiable try.

In the build-up French assistant referee Patrice Gauzere failed to see that Julian Savea had nudged the ball forward when he hit the ground after being tackled. If that was acceptable human error, Matt Todd’s blocking run later in the move, which obstructed Tendai Mtawarira and sent Aaron Smith racing into the Springbok 22, was virtually unmissable. This resulted in Smith pulling the younger Savea over.

Yet, even though it had New Zealand TV commentator Justin Marshall calling for the try to be disallowed, Australian referee Angus Gardiner had the blinkers on. The refereeing farce continued when replays showed that Savea had failed to ground the ball after being tackled by Faf du Klerk and Eben Etzebeth.

At that point Grant Nesbitt, Marshall’s notoriously one-eyed colleague, asked “did that hit the grass?”. Marshall’s response was a weary,”I don’t even want to go into that”.

World Rugby referees boss Alain Rolland does not have that luxury. The reality is that New Zealand are not at fault because they do not referee themselves – and it is Rolland’s duty to make sure that elite match officials remain impartial and stop worshipping at the All Black altar.
Report Ldee October 28, 2016 8:17 PM BST
Another shocker tonight at Northampton tonight despite videos evidence to the contrary.
Report Kriskin November 25, 2016 8:50 PM GMT
Just witnessed another shocking RED card decision tonight against Glasgow.  What is the game coming too???
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