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Escapee
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US Constitution creates 3 branches of government:

1) Legislative, The 2 houses of Congress
2) Executive,  The President
3) Judiciary,   The Supreme Court

Each were created so that no single entity could seize power, they all have ability to veto each other... In 'Normal' times.

However in a "State of Emergency", The president can override the other two and take control of everything.

Is Trump engineering a state of emergency?

Ordinarily, Congress sets Tariffs (as per a 1977 law to prevent Nixon from doing so)
Congress is making noises about it is illegal for trump to set his tariffs, and taking it to SCOTUS.
Of course Trump is claiming he has the power and it's an "emergency".

Trump's trade war with Canada may lead to Canada cutting it's supply to 4 US states completely.
which is likely to cause the grid to collapse and blackouts in some states.
This is likely to trigger some sort of "State of Emergency" declaration, and who knows where it will go from there.


Hopefully, Trump is a great man, seeking the best for the American people and will save the day before this happens, and hopefully he does not desire to be King of America.

But....
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Report the old nanny ;-) March 11, 2025 8:02 PM GMT
Certainly a state of Emergency among Men wearing wigs and Floral numbers in far flung places
Report edy March 11, 2025 9:57 PM GMT
Some respect towards British judicial traditions please, casemoney.
Report Shrewd_dude March 11, 2025 10:37 PM GMT
No.
Report lapsy pa March 11, 2025 10:41 PM GMT
Neither sense nor meaning (to me), a i'm a billybigbollix and i am putting 25% tariffs on you cos i feel like it, row back a few after and sez,nah,not going to bother, did he come to his senses? under estimate the back lash?

This cannot continue.
Report Escapee March 11, 2025 11:05 PM GMT
One hour before today's "Business Round Table" meeting, Trump announces that, as response to Canada's 25% tariff on Electricity export he is putting 50% tariffs on steel & aluminium from Canada, up from 25%, effective from midnight tonight.
Less than 1 hour after this annual meeting of 100 top USA businesses and the President, he announces he is dropping the 50% tariff.

The stock market has lost $2Trillion in value since Trump came to office, Even Rupert Murdoch's media is voicing concern.

My guess is that tariffs will take a back seat in Trump's narrative, it's harming his billionaire backers too much, too quickly.

he will claim a victory by taking Mexico & Canada tariffs back to what they were before he took office.

Iran/Isreal/gaza/ or "woke" will be next weekends 'flooding the zone', The top 100 businesses have told him to stop with the trade war.
Report A_T March 12, 2025 7:43 AM GMT
Not yet. 27/28 he'll declare an emergency to save to us from wokes
Report Whisperingdeath March 12, 2025 8:07 AM GMT
I am just a little surprised that the checks and balances are not being used to any effect.

What is stopping them putting an end to this nonsense?
Report PorcupineorPineapple March 12, 2025 8:50 AM GMT
Fear


Check out the doxxing on twitter if someone dares get in the way of Musk and Trump. Republicans are genuinely in fear for their and their families' lives if they speak up.
Report Whisperingdeath March 12, 2025 9:05 AM GMT
People need to stand and be counted!

Wot about the Democrats what are they doing?

The Business leaders?

First they came for the Socialist’s and I did not speak out because I was not  a Socialist………
Report PorcupineorPineapple March 12, 2025 9:22 AM GMT
Dems are just a shambles.

Business leaders went all in on trump. They thought it was tax cut central and he'd be great for the economy. To be fair it'll probably be the faceless shareholders who will hold the admin to account more than anyone else.
Report Ronaldmcdonald March 12, 2025 1:03 PM GMT
Typical leftie fear porn. The International Emergency Economic Powers Act allows the President to regulate commerce in response to unusual and extraordinary threats. Fentanyl and illegals are unusual and extraordinary threats.
Report PorcupineorPineapple March 12, 2025 1:11 PM GMT
Arf!


Saying it's leftie fear porn and then saying fentanyl and illegals are an extraordinary threat. In the same post!



Love this place.
Report clouded leopard March 12, 2025 1:14 PM GMT
fentanyl and illegals are 'not' an extraordinary threat ?
Report PorcupineorPineapple March 12, 2025 1:24 PM GMT
No. Immigration and opioids have been around for decades. Go back a few months and it was dog-eating and it was kids having sex-change operations, but apparently that's all stopped. If you think - genuinely think - that Trump is seizing power because of huge amounts of fentanyl coming in from - checks map - Canada, then you need to check yourself into the funny farm. The only ones buying that are the social media addicts who think they need a white jesus to save them from the world around them. Literally nobody thought Canada was a source of dope a couple of months ago, but Trump says it and starts his tariff hokey-cokey and suddenly the nodding dogs can't help but sing their master's tune. They'd have an aneurysm if a single original thought ever entered their heads. Spoonfed idiots.
Report Ronaldmcdonald March 12, 2025 1:30 PM GMT
I call it fear porn because lefties are always paranoid about imaginary things that might happen, whereas fentanyl trafficking is actually happening. Fentanyl is 100 times more potent than morphine and it kills over 100,000 Americans per year.
Report PorcupineorPineapple March 12, 2025 1:38 PM GMT
like the dog eating? That kind of imaginary thing?
Report Jack Bauer "24" March 12, 2025 1:52 PM GMT
The spineless Republicans in Congress are doing their best to avoid standing up to him.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/11/us/politics/trump-tariffs-house-gop-vote.html


House Republican leaders on Tuesday quietly moved to shield their members from having to vote on whether to end President Trump’s tariffs on Mexico, Canada and China, tucking language into a procedural measure that effectively removed their chamber’s ability to undo the levies.

The maneuver was a tacit acknowledgment of how politically toxic the issue had become for their party, and another example of how the all-Republican Congress is ceding its power to the executive branch.

In this case, Republican leaders did so using a particularly unusual contortion: They essentially declared the rest of the year one long day, nullifying a law that allows the House and Senate to jointly put an end to a disaster declared by the president.

House Democrats had planned to force a vote on resolutions to end the tariffs on Mexico and Canada, a move allowed under the National Emergencies Act, which provides a mechanism for Congress to terminate an emergency like the one Mr. Trump declared when he imposed the tariffs on Feb. 1.

That would have forced Republicans — many of whom are opposed to tariffs as a matter of principle — to go on the record on the issue at a time when Mr. Trump’s commitment to tariffs has spooked the financial markets and spiked concerns of reigniting inflation.

But Republican leaders on Tuesday slipped language into a procedural measure that would prevent any resolution to end the tariffs on Mexico, Canada and China from receiving a vote this year. It passed on party lines as part of a resolution that cleared the way for a vote later Tuesday on a government spending bill needed to prevent a shutdown at the end of the week.

The national emergency law lays out a fast-track process for Congress to consider a resolution ending a presidential emergency, requiring committee consideration within 15 calendar days after one is introduced and a floor vote within three days after that. But the language House Republicans inserted in their measure on Tuesday declared that, “Each day for the remainder of the 119th Congress shall not constitute a calendar day” for the purposes of the emergency that Mr. Trump declared on Feb. 1.

Democrats jeered the maneuver.

“The speaker is petrified that members of this House will actually have to take a vote on lowering costs on the American people,” said Representative Greg Meeks, Democrat of New York, who introduced the privileged resolution. “If Congress can’t act to lower prices, protect retirement savings and hold the president accountable, what are we even doing here?”

Democrats in the Senate could still try to force a vote to end the tariffs, putting Republicans in that chamber in a tough spot. But in order to terminate the levies, a resolution would have to pass both chambers and be signed by Mr. Trump.
Report Ronaldmcdonald March 12, 2025 1:54 PM GMT
As far as I know Trump has not used the threat of dog eating as a tariff justification.
Report PorcupineorPineapple March 12, 2025 1:59 PM GMT
So there was a load of fentanyl coming over yesterday morning and he imposed some tariffs. But then it stopped coming over so he withdrew the tariffs. Sounds plausible.
Report clouded leopard March 12, 2025 2:02 PM GMT
Porcy, I agree with you especially on the fentanyl subject. Whole thing smells of weird. Pure kabuki theatre for the masses.

But in essence fentanyl and 'illegals' (not just immigration) are of course a threat - surely you can't argue with that.

Just because they've been around sometime doesn't mean it's not worth the tackle

Fentanyl is not marijuana and it is utterly destructive. The absolute pits
Report Ronaldmcdonald March 12, 2025 2:10 PM GMT
I don't think it will stop fentanyl getting in, but it's sending the right message. Thank goodness the grown ups are back.
Report jollyswagman March 12, 2025 2:25 PM GMT
if he was worried about fentanyl he would end the de minimis loophole but he was lobbied by one of the courier companies and it remains.
Report PorcupineorPineapple March 12, 2025 2:29 PM GMT
Yeah, cloudy but the question has something changed that has made them unusual and extraordinary (to use ronald's spoonfed phrase).


And the answer is they simply haven't. Nothing's changed. So the answer for the destruction of democratic norms must lie somewhere else.
Report Ronaldmcdonald March 12, 2025 2:50 PM GMT
It's been disastrous for the country for years so they should let it continue until it completely destroys their country including the destruction of democratic norms to use PPs spoonfed phrase. Good plan. Criminals and terrorists have never been allowed in unvetted on such a large scale.
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