US Economy tanking

Surely must be Bidens fault.....

How many were fake diversity jobs

Would account for about 5% of our headcount

Nearly every American overspends and owes money. They have been living on credit for far too long. America owes the world esp China and the Oily countries a colossal amount.

at some point america will be forced to go to war

at some point.....give us a clue......20,000 years time ???????????  Talk about stating the bleeding obvious ffs

no need to get upset DBTB

i'd say the US will be deploying it's military overseas within the next 4 years - and not in a friendly way

It's what people voted for and what Musk announced a while back.

It's a bit of a stretch, going from some slippage in the daq to ww3

but when the don's finished wiping trillions off the value of the us stock market maybe he can get a little bit back from ukraine minerals

Im not upset.....just pointing out the inane chat on here by some.....am off as got better things to do than converse with loony woke lefty liberals all night.....ta ta

oh dear cider couldn't you have resisted a straw man? no need for ww3 - just steal some wealth from little countries like the big brave man the don is

US stocks are incredibly overvalued. Talked about it myself on here. Including being pumped by the ai bubble. I'm predominately in cash and yielding assets currently. Free advice ;)

Talked about it myself on here.

classic

What wealth has 'don' stolen so far. If you could list it out, appreciated.

us stocks have been over-valued for 15 years spotting that doesn't make you warren buffet

What are your assets invested in?

What wealth has 'don' stolen so far.

where did i say he has? i'm saying what's going to be necessary

just steal some wealth from little countries like the big brave man the don is

I mean, you only typed it out 6 minutes ago, tbf.

What are your assets invested in?

i never stray far from some cash and a global index tracker because i don't have a giant ego that makes me believe i know more than the market.

from a purely personal point of view i hope the us market continues to rise

Differentiating between statements about the past, present and future hypotheticals gets to the best of us sometimes.

Regarding the past, some people that went to Trump University might have an opinion about their money having gotten basically stolen.

A global tracker is going to be about 2 thirds US. But you think US stocks have been overvalued for 15 years

You're finally right about one thing then :)

btw cash has been absolutely awful for most of the last 15 years. a depreciating asset. fwiw

Shirley the trump coin thing was a cash grab, a con trick...

Just you hater wait until it is worth trillions and trillions of dollars per coin.

They've already got their cash grab.

Maybe they'll pump and dump a few more, at a con venient time to themselves.

Gonna take a lot of suckers to reach a trillion valuation, but,
given how many there appear to be then any thing is possible.

I read that on a forum...

Could become part of the USA's official crypto reserve, though probably not even Trump is that brazen.

Oh, he is.

A global tracker is going to be about 2 thirds US. But you think US stocks have been overvalued for 15 years

Hasn't stopped them going up - and might not stop them continuing to rise.

We’re all doomed.

Chump is going to do a Nikki Lauda

You sow the seed

You grow the seed…..

The reaping is a coming Chump………..

Hasn't stopped them going up - and might not stop them continuing to rise.


It's, let's say nonconventional, to spend 15 years invested and investing into an asset that you feel is overvalued.

And, it appears you are going to remain invested in it.

I say you're talk out of your backside.

nah i just use a global index tracker - i don't base my decisions on anything other than the market. i don't flatter myself that i know better.

the investing world is full of those who've underweighted the usa for years based on it's high valuations - they've missed out on a low of growth in their assets. maybe you're one of them?

let's say nonconventional

nope there is billions invested in global index trackers

You can trace all this back to Biden. He killed all the hens, the price of eggs went up, and voila recession starts.

nope there is billions invested in global index trackers


the people who think the majority of assets held in a global tracker are over valued, and have been for 15 years, yet keep putting money in them anyway would be a small minority.

your position is somewhat hypocritical, so understandable, I guess.

i would advise most lay people to do what you are doing. the test comes when they lose 30/40% of the value of their invested assets. of course, you've not disclosed what proportion you have held in cash over this time.

Around Xmas time I pulled the trigger and significantly moved out of the US, something I was already chipping away. Down to 10-20%. I will go back in after the inevitable correction. Whilst cash is yielding over inflation, it's a comfortable place to sit.

It shouldn't take long to recover. Newly hatched hens are fully able to lay eggs by the time they are 6 months old.

Wyckoff distribution started in USA indices November last year.. first peak of double top in the Dow.. some mag7 distribution started even earlier than that  --- understandable . it's been a face ripping rally since they got away with such gross monetary expansion during Covid

Gonna be a very tricky year to trade/invest but there will be some gems along the way

Around Xmas time I pulled the trigger and significantly moved out of the US

Spectacular after-timing even by your standards

A_T • March 6, 2025 8:15 PM GMT

us stocks have been over-valued for 15 years

too late i'm afraid cider should have thought of that post earlier before as usual you made an ar$e of yourself

You beat me to that too, unfortunately (for you!).

I've been talking about moving out of US bias for a long time. As I stated, I'd been chipping away for ages.

I guess with holding a lot of cash you must be close to retirement. Otherwise apart from an emergency fund there is no good reason for it. And only a fool attempts to time the market.

Chumpcession

Incoming!

I hoped at least if nothing else the don would inspire the stock market he was always boasting about it in his 1st term

Ontario have put a 25% tariff on their own electricity going to America. Starling to be cancelled. SpaceX under cyber attack.

Remember foresight not hindsight

Inflation incoming, agriculture and industry will suffer.

And only a fool attempts to time the market.

sure

The 5 billionaire guys at the inauguration have lost north of 200 billion dollars

How much are they left with ?

A lot more north than us

sure

So today you've moved your cash back into stocks?

US economy tanking

Well thats bollox for starters.

Markets are indeed correcting for now.

I would'nt invest in Europe for 50 years.

Yes i bought Palantir for 5 figures at 28

Thats my big lad out

The dollar slid further against the pound and the euro on Tuesday, having fallen sharply since the beginning of the month.

The markets are in free fall at the moment but have essentially given up the big rise in the first 2 months of the year which were based on an unrealistic view of a positive Trump effect. In reality Trump has impacted the lives of 50% of the world population and in almost every case the impact is negative. Inflation, sabre rattling, removal of security from Europe, trade hostility from Canadians and Mexicans, removal of foreign aid from poorer countries. If he can cause that much havoc in 10 weeks, how much will he do in 4 years? The fall in Tesla shares makes you wonder what Mr Musk will do next. Will he be campaigning for the Democrats? Unless of course he and Trump have planned this and have been selling short through shell companies.

I think the only two groups that have had a benefit from Trump are Russia and the Israeli right wing. I would have had billionaires on the list but the last week or so has knocked even them out.

lower wages or higher prices - or both

the don's new america

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The markets are in free fall at the moment but have essentially given up the big rise in the first 2 months of the year which were based on an unrealistic view of a positive Trump effect. In reality Trump has impacted the lives of 50% of the world population and in almost every case the impact is negative. Inflation, sabre rattling, removal of security from Europe, trade hostility from Canadians and Mexicans, removal of foreign aid from poorer countries. If he can cause that much havoc in 10 weeks, how much will he do in 4 years? The fall in Tesla shares makes you wonder what Mr Musk will do next. Will he be campaigning for the Democrats? Unless of course he and Trump have planned this and have been selling short through shell companies.


You can't say Trump has caused any inflation thus far Sage. Way too early, takes time to filter through.

And as for 2 men conspiring against the largest economy in the world and the globe overall. Can't have that. As with any presidency/leadership Trump will have his masters. I dare say there were plenty of shorts/puts placed over the past 3/4 months to hedge this drop. The media push over the Trump pump got retail frothing to get long and provided the perfect exit opportunity for the largest holders. Wyckoff method of distribution is a interesting subject to read up on and the chart patterns align almost to a tee with that strategy.

Now if Trump's agenda is genuine, which I suspect it is not - I don't trust any of 'em - we live in peak crony capitalism and it's pure game on for those at the top to cream the unknowledgeable ... but if he is genuine then you're gonna need to break a few eggs to take the country off the teat of debt creation and spending and the pain will run deep before any positivity arrives. I think it's pretty much impossible to do this at this late stage of such gross monetary expansion.

My best guess is this the continual kick in the bollox to the consumer and moreso middle classes .. he's basically taxing his own people through trade wars and the bottom rung are almost tapped out... middle class get their 401k haircut and the power of the people is again diminished.... been a very strong theme since Covid has it not ?  So much of it a manufactured attack on purchasing power through printing therefore inflation, more and more tax leading to overall wealth grab. It will continue....

We're f00ked quite basically

We drew parallels with the era of 100 years ago during Covid - people guffed at that but there have been remarkable similarities and we all know what happened in 1929

Technofeudalists

The markets are in free fall at the moment but have essentially given up the big rise in the first 2 months of the year which were based on an unrealistic view of a positive Trump effect. In reality Trump has impacted the lives of 50% of the world population and in almost every case the impact is negative. Inflation, sabre rattling, removal of security from Europe, trade hostility from Canadians and Mexicans, removal of foreign aid from poorer countries. If he can cause that much havoc in 10 weeks, how much will he do in 4 years? The fall in Tesla shares makes you wonder what Mr Musk will do next. Will he be campaigning for the Democrats? Unless of course he and Trump have planned this and have been selling short through shell companies.

Trump in office is delivering everything he said he would, before the election. It is old fashioned now, but he's working through the mandate he was elected on.

What was he promising before the election that would cause US equities to be so overbaked ?

It's laughable really, one of his policies is to get rid of an enforced transition to electric cars. You do not need to be Buffett to conclude that's not too great for TSLA

People always seem to confuse the economy with the equities market. Quite often, what's good for the domestic economy in the long run, the equity markets dislike.

Exactly Cider - because a stable environment with less economic shock should lead  to less monetary candy printing orgies which the market has become addicted to.

My concern is the dialling down via Trump puts everyone in a deeper hole for a very long time - of course you don't just undo 2 decades of disgusting orchestrated monetary expansion without max pain - and possibly leads to a depression style era. People lost pretty much everything from 1929 onwards - they owned nothing but were they happy ?  Set's up a perfect negative scenario for those who would love to batter the bourgeoisie and crowbar a digital UBI into the mix. ie Trump's policies sound logical but is there an alternative agenda behind it all...

08/09 should've been the reset but instead we've had the mirage of 'everything's ok' cloaked in a deluge of fresh debt

Get wealth through Ai, then use Ai to control governmebt policy, then so wealthy, just be the government.
Ask Peter

Its all very Germanic

Marxist great resetters like Trump and Musk making people go through "temporary" hardship to take joy away from people on their way to a revolution.

Classic.

Both former Democrats that....coincidentally...chose to become Republican outsiders and ended up hijacking and transforming the party to get into power as the Democrat centrist establishment is far too strong to allow marxists anywere near power.

You forgot Joe Rogan

True, although he is probably more unquestioning bro that is very fascinated by everything rather than a scheming marxist seeking to remove joy from people's lives by deliberately objecting them to economic hardship like the other two are.

revolutionary reconstitution of society

A race of slaves

I sometimes think me and Cider are the only non-Marxists left. They're bloody everywhere.

Cannivalising the middle class

Do the working class have a bank of assets stored up in US equities ?

A bank of assets, no. And ?

People always seem to confuse the economy with the equities market. Quite often, what's good for the domestic economy in the long run, the equity markets dislike.

It's far better for every day Americans that there are blue collar jobs, lower taxes, production in the United States, fewer cheap imports, no haemorrhaging of their money to the nut zero nonsense, they aren't forced into EVs, producer security. Of course it's not binary, some imports will be produced cheaper than they can be produced domestically. But it's a small price to pay. Globalisation is great for the rich and the mega caps, not so great for the working class (literal working class, not the shirkers).

People always seem to confuse the economy with the equities market. Quite often, what's good for the domestic economy in the long run, the equity markets dislike.

Market goes up: Hey look how great the economy is

Market goes down: Hey it's nothing to do with the economy it's just the market.

You're entitled to your opinion, even when it's incorrect.

So with assets rising far quicker, far far quicker than wages, what happens then.

3rd world, thats what happens.

They will revert to norm eventually (money printing excepted)

It's far better for every day Americans that there are blue collar jobs, lower taxes, production in the United States

to get the same produce from home production they will either have to accept lower wages or pay higher prices for those goods - or both

It's a literal false economy. Buying goods from China produced under slave labour conditions.

Would you rather purchase a sofa produced under slave labour that cheaper than one produced where the workers get fair recompense and conditions?

Or it says alot about the imperfections of the system

Cider • March 11, 2025 4:05 PM GMT
Would you rather purchase a sofa produced under slave labour that cheaper than one produced where the workers get fair recompense and conditions?

PorcupineorPineapple • March 11, 2025 2:37 PM GMT
I sometimes think me and Cider are the only non-Marxists left. They're bloody everywhere.

You can scratch Cider from the non-Marxist list.

Would you rather purchase a sofa produced under slave labour that cheaper than one produced where the workers get fair recompense and conditions?


that's the question US consumers are going to be asked.

of course in reality they won't have a choice they'll just have to pay more

if the markets had confidence that short term pain would lead to long term gain then they would be swooning not falling.

trump's economic policies are an incoherent mess and often completely contradictory. his capricious nature, tariffs on today / off tomorrow, is a disaster for business people making investment decisions.

tariffs will hit those lowest down society hardest.

all the tax cuts he promised in the campaign cost close to $10 trillion, paying for them all would involve impossible to deliver levels of cuts to the public sector.


labour costs in china are a lot higher than in neighbouring countries - https://x.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1890967275261558963

No, they wikl have a choice.

It will be pay me more so i can buy cheap shittt

the don was saying the same in 2016 he was going to revive coal mining, etc. in the end heavy industry continued to decline