How many Tarquins and Chrysanthemums have left private education please?

Are you enjoying paying for their education ?

Fancy taxing education!

What next dental treatment?

Likely would have been bullied by rich kids anyway
if parents are strugglin' with 20% vat.

Whats next up for Tax in the ongoing Disaster ?

Reduction or even abolition of pension tax relief?

Lifetime ISA top ups?

Tax Tax-free pension lump sums?

Some has to pay for all the people on benefits

Those with partial private education, now slumming it
should have a decent headstart if private is
so good, might need to develop a thick skin
all the same.

Laughing at kids getting bullied because their parents have a few bob,
difficult to hide your roots isn't it.

Probably take some getting used to school meals too, but at least they won't have to
polish boots for older kids.

These parents didn’t want a better education for their children. They wanted a leg up on the gravy train

Now their kids are back in cattle class. Same with inefficient farmers. “ They “ don’t care about you either even if you own land.

Some are children of armed forces serving abroad and it is the taxpayer who has to find the extra cost! And some children from private schools that are now closed are incurring transport costs at public expense to the nearest State school which can be 25 miles away. Few state schools have spaces at this time of year and yet again a reasonable policy has been rushed in with no idea of the consequences.

Taxing education, that's the kind of thing the Taliban do.

Just from the thread title you know the OP has a chip on his shoulder.

Good start from Labour.


Next can we aim our sights on the ridiculous notion of these private schools being charities.


They're not charities. It's nothing but a tax dodge. Let's bring education into the 21st century eh.

They are not being run for the benefit of shareholders, any profits are reinvested into educating children.

Having a well educated population benefits everybody.

How is that a tax dodge ?

All schools are run for the benefit of the children and the wider population. But only a select few, those frequented by the wealthiest of society are able to not pay their fair share of tax for any donations.

What about all other charities / churches / national trust / museums  etc - the list is endless - Donations to schools are a tax dodge , but all the rest aren't ?

That makes no sense at all.

Tarquin and Rupert attending a school full of kids from sink estates and single parent families is a recipe for disaster

Don't think these posh kids could survive at a tough inner city state school, they'd be like a fish up a tree, far too much a shock to their system and they'd just end up being home schooled by a private tutor anyway.

Britain is still mostly a country divided by class, in America, it's more divided by race related issues.

The mentalities, personalities and patterns of thinking of the working and middle classes are generally light years apart especially at a younger age because of their different respective upbringings, have you ever even heard of a fight at a private school, yet they're almost apart of the national curriculum at a state school given how frequently they happen, throw together all the rough kids of single parent families from the local sink estates and it stands to reason. Give lip at a private school and you'll get an intellectual verbal jostle til the teach comes in and tells little Humphrey and Horatio to sit down, get lairy at state school and you'd get a chair around the back of the head before you've finished talking, at least that's how it was where I went.

I think if posh kids were forced into normal schools they'd probably have to be given an intensive crash course into how to survive and an education into certain things they've no idea about, such as what is a school dinner ticket, imagine the shock and horror when they realise Polo and Lacrosse are not facilitated on the premises and instead the have have to take part in that ghastly kick ball game the plebs play, perish the thought.


Kind Regards.

Can get to churches and museums in time.



But private education is all about preserving the inequality of our social order and keeping the plebs in their place. Trying to equalise opportunities for our kids is more important than other areas and should - imo - be a priority.

But private education is all about preserving the inequality of our social order and keeping the plebs in their place.

What utter drivel.

It's about parents wanting to do the best they possibly can for their kids - an admiral trait that benefits the whole community.  I wish more parents felt the same about their kids, and just did the simple parenting stuff that costs nothing.

So you want to balance up educational inequalities by dragging down the educational quality of a group of kids , so we actually lower educational standards overall ?

What an absurd concept.

Where do we end up - " If we make the clever thick  , the thick  have a better chance in life"  ?

Politics of envy at its finest.

This thread just about sums up what is wrong with Labour supporters.

They will shout and cheer a so called 'class war'  while their granny has her purse picked to pay for endless immigrants to live in 4* hotels.

Ever get the feeling you've been conned?

Not at all johnny. We're just levelling things up ever so slightly. No-one's talking about banning private education, and the vast, vast majority of parents will do no more than dig a little deeper than before. But the tax you get from these changes can go to improving public schools therefore raising educational standards across the whole country.

Some bitter and twisted people here fighting class warfare!  it's wrong!

Everyone deserves a chance. God knows we have been let down by the Eton Rifles and Winchester Weebles. Talent should be encouraged and allowed to come through and get the important jobs even if the old school tie does not fit the private boys club!

No wonder our country is in such a state if we do not let talent rise. Good that they have put vat on school fees and iht on farmers.

Nothing wrong with State Education , sadly many schools have been turned into sh1tholes

Are you kidding me?

State Education should be a lot better. They go through the process with very little aspiration. I guess there are good schools and ones that go through the motions.

Yep the parents of kids at school now became disinterested and their parents before them.

Without input from home some of these kids have no chance, and become
cannon fodder for kool aid salesmen.

At 12.35 you stated

But private education is all about preserving the inequality of our social order and keeping the plebs in their place.

You seem to have distanced yourself from that nonsense  from by 1.52.

I've read plenty of articles questioning how much will actually be raised when you factor in the costs of educating the extra kids moving into the state system.

As for the extra teachers, where are they right now  ? - "Nowhere in sight"  is the answer.  Kids are moving into state education today causing extra strain on state schools.

Do you think having larger classes improves educational standards or dilutes it ?

A dumb policy poorly thought out , but scores a few points with people like you that link everything to class warfare.

Power to the people.

Where have I distanced myself?


If I were king I'd tear everything down and start again but my post (about the ridiculous notion that Eton is a charity) is rooted in the real world so let's stay there eh. Private education is very much about the social connections and cv boost, rather than just the education. God knows we've seen enough thickos in politics in the last few years to realise that the quality of learning is not guaranteed no matter how much it costs. And the evidence from the exams that were teacher-assessed during lockdown showed just how private schools massaged the figures.

I'd also question evidence of there being a significant strain on state schools. We're told that the birth rate has dropped significantly. If this isn't a lie then surely our schools are under less strain than before, so plenty of room for a few new kids whose parents suddenly don't think Tarquin is worth as much. There are plenty of problems with schools, and hopefully this tax revenue can go some way to fixing them. Or do you only want private schools to be able to afford decent equipment?

As for where the teachers are, maybe we wait for the exchequer to collect the money from the removal of the loophole before we spend it. Novel idea but y'know.

I went to three p!ss-poor state schools. The staff didn't give a f**K about the kids.

So I paid for my kids to go to a good school. A lot of money very well spent.

Well Done Nob  , Bravo

On another Level , My sister is quite Well off , Her Kids went to state School  , Both are now at Uni , One at Kings in London 

The School and the Kids do make the difference

My Two kids went to State school  , Both got A levels one has a 2 1 in History and Politics

It can be done , For lads or lasses not interested in Accademics push them down the trade route ,Decent money and A job for life

The School the Teachers , the Kids , AND THE PARENTS

Years ago I read it was more expensive to keep a child in local authority care than send one to Eaton

Artists, directors and actors have raised the alarm about what they describe as a **** system preventing working-class talent thriving in their industries after analysis showed almost a third of major arts leaders were educated privately.

The creator of Peaky Blinders, Steven Knight, the director Shane Meadows and the Turner prize winner Jesse Darling were among those who spoke to the Guardian about what was described as a crisis facing the sector.

They spoke after a Guardian survey of the 50 organisations that receive the most Arts Council England funding revealed a disproportionate number of leadership roles were occupied by people who were educated privately and those who went to the universities of Oxford or Cambridge.

Almost a third (30%) of artistic directors and other creative leaders were educated privately compared with a national average of 7%. More than a third (36%) of the organisations’ chief executives or other executive directors went to private schools.

Predictions that adding VAT to private school fees would set off a wave of parents moving children to the state sector have been proved wrong at their first key test, according to figures from councils in England.

While critics including the former chancellor Jeremy Hunt had predicted that up to 90,000 children could flood the state sector if VAT of 20% was charged, most councils say they have seen no impact from the policy in applications to start at state secondary schools later this year.

Forecasts of widespread shortages of school places have also fallen flat, based on application figures for places in year 7, the first year of secondary school, that show more families receiving their first choice of school this year.





Shocked! Shocked I tellsya!

Dubble vat next year on skool fees?

Looks like most have paid up £££££££££££££££££ into the Exchequer!

Well done Rachel from accounts. Now increase the IHT on the millionaire farmers!

The stated reason for taxing private education was to hire more state school teachers.... has that happened or is it just another broken Starmer promise?

Oh pretty sure they won't Nobs

The thing is now who do we want back in power. Useless corrupt Conservatives or the Gang of Four?  Between them they will probably give Starmers conservatives another 5 years!

You will be happy with another 5 years of conservative Government right Nobs?

Pathetic Pilfering by the Labour , What persecentage of their Current MPs were privately Educated ?

OI, AI is replacing your city jobs mugs

Your paying for your spouses to be working in MCdonalds, lol

Not sure they will like that or building sites, the high class are signing on for life.lol

But private education is all about preserving the inequality of our social order and keeping the plebs in their place.


At last someone notices the few treating the majority like slaves

Two big, big benefits from Labour's decision to charge VAT on public school fees. First, state schools get 6500 new teachers. And second, Isabel Oakeshott has moved to Dubai.

Twitter

state schools get 6500 new teachers

They should put that on the side of a bus.

The head of Ofsted is a Muslim fundamentalist, they should put that on a bus.

what is a muslim fundamentalist?

Fantastic that being on the side of a bus is an ironic insult.

Exactly where it belongs.

Shrewd_dude

state schools get 6500 new teachers

Please supply a link to some evidence that this has actually happened and is not just a recycled promise.

Obviously didn’t need them because the Tarquins parents have stumped up the extra 20%

Obviously didn’t need them because the Tarquins parents have stumped up the extra 20%

This only speaks to the dreadful state of State education these days.

Less Oxbow lakes & DEI and more coding!

Extra teachers not until  29-30 apparently  ....(until there isn't, due to ....blah blah)

So diluted state education for kids before then, if not longer.

Lawsuit pending on behalf of betrayed kids with special educational needs.

Let's not care about those kids eh ?

Let’s not

They don’t care much about the 93% who go to state school!

by 2029 new teachers will probably be AI teachers living on Chromebooks

The standard of some current teaching is atrocious.

My daughter is doing her GCSE's. Her A-Levels are going to be maths and the sciences, so Physics GCSE is quite important. But she hasn't had a teacher all year. There's been two subs, the head has stepped in, then they got a teacher in three weeks ago but he's just left so the head is stepping back in. She had a geography lesson last week led by a sub. The sub was a 22-year old who is training to be a PE teacher. Doesn't know the first thing about geography, and the lesson was 75% chat about rugby. Farcical. Luckily, unlike me at her age, she's very organised and goal-oriented so could probably skip school till her exams and still ace them, but it's not good enough.

The government seem to be getting to grips with health. Hospital waiting lists are tumbling and smashing up NHSE is a sign they'll make bold decisions. Stopping the rich evade tax for buying a nice education is a good start, but there's a long way to go to fix our schools.

Exactly.

This government is quite good at putting up taxes but sh!te at fixing problems.

Over 8 months in and absolutely nothing fixed.

Sorry Nobs

Wasn’t the previous Government champions at raising taxation?

It's gesture politics rather than a practical move.  Schools will now be able to reclaim VAT on their purchases so that 20% may end up being 10%.  Also the burden on the state will increase as some kids will switch to the state sector, so any financial benefit will be trivial.

I sent my oldest child to private school from the last 2 years of primary school to age 16 because he had severe Inattentive ADHD, so he needed the smaller class sizes.  It wasn't my idea, it was the wife's.  I was against it because of the cost, and the feeling it would be unfair on the others.  But I did recognise that it's unfair that he has ADHD and the others don't.  That's life.  Full of unfairness.

I've always felt that by far the most important driver in a child's educational achievement is the parents and that private school was generally a waste of money.  Far better value to pay for a private tutors out of school in regards educational achievement.  Of course if you are very wealthy that the fees represent a trivial outlay, then that doesn't apply.  But from my experience that's not the case for most children there.

My father and mother were privately educated and he was always a bit of a snob (my mother wasn't).  He has good characteristics too, but not that one.  I didn't like it and as a child never had the best relationship with him, so I did resent private schooling.  The potential to go to private school in the sixth form was mooted and I refused.  Although my dad came from a wealthy family, his parents spent the lot, so there wouldn't have been family money to send me there from a young age and get me indocrinated and accepting.  Anyhow, I can see both sides of the coin.

It is gesture politics true but it is a good gesture

Private schools are probably better

I understand some people do have real educational needs gif their children, smaller classes, adhd etc but the reality gif most is if a kid works hard they can get 3A*’s so why pay to go private?

To get a leg up in life and jump the queues

People are being dishonest. You could spend money on o Po ribald tuition and get the grades

Private Schools are not defeatist. They can give you confidence and positive EXPECTATION. So many kids now have negative expectation they do not want to work for no money and no prospects. The trouble is we are facilitating them doing this through PIP. It is not their fault it is ours

I remember in Secondary school at some point (maybe aged 13 or 14) I sat next to a lad called Clifford Sawyer in form class.  His family owned a truck company and he'd been kicked out of Private school.  He reminded me of Ray Winstone in Scum.  He looked 2 years older and was a right unit, but not very smart.  Probably felt he didn't have to be.  Think he didn't hang around for too long and went back to Private school.

I did Latin at 10 years old!

Private schools are brilliant imho

Caecilius est in urban!

Some brilliant sports facilities at big schools and they will be claiming millions back in VAT

Very much gesture politics but good

They need to know we are on to them and will be attacking their privilege

Your regular reminder that nobody has banned private schools. They're just no longer getting a tax exemption.

My godmother's eldest child went to private school and hanged himself.  Didn't do him a lot of good.

Do you think  BJ would have become Prime Minister if he did not go to Eton?

Do you think Kemi Badenoch would be Tory leader if she did?

Did the fact he went to Eton make him more voteable with the public?  I don't think most people care one way or another.  I don't.  Did he get his humour, confidence and intelligence from private school or inherit that from his father?  Predominantly from his father imo, although I'm sure his private schooling gave him a head start in debating and seems to be a pathway into politics for many.  He'd have done very well for himself regardless of whether he went to Eton or not. 

The biggest influence is money and power, not education.  I doubt many here could reel off Trump's educational history.  But he was the son of a real estate billionaire with influential connections.

I think they had little choice in electing another idiot

Do yoh know how many of our Prime Ministers went to Eton, Harrow or Winchester?

We live in the present not the past.  We've only been a democracy for 97 years.

Although I held a bit of resentment towards private schooling growing up I became indifferent to it as I've got older and wiser.  What I've always hated is snobbery and abuse of power.  I used to consider private schooling an embodiment of snobbery.  That is true in some cases, but I think wanting the best for your kids is a good thing, and that is the general reason for sending kids to private school.  People should be free to spend their own money how they wish, and if people do send their kids to private school it does reduce the burden on the state.

20 went to Eton

How many of the Current Labour Shysters went to Private school  ? plenty I would imagine

Poor old WD  Tories and Eton still living rent free in his Head , Ignores the Labours who went to Public schools

1 in 4 of the Labour MPs were privately educated  , 25 %,  the National figure is 7 %

Your regular reminder that your precious private education hasn't been banned. They've just closed the loophole where it was avoiding tax.

Good point