Your Budget Predictions

Err, that just pushes up prices, and rent as landlords have huge reserves.

Outbidding buyers forces buyers to pay higher rent, if they bid up property
and landlords pay more then the upshot is higher rent for losing bidder.

If landlords are indeed outbidding buyers then the buyers needs to bid more

No. The government needs to slash tax relief for landlords or even things up by reintroducing MIRAS for the workers

So basically tax payers pick up yet another bill, and the sh1tehole properties remain just that, because it's not worthwhile for a speculator to get involved.

Mortgages become cheaper thanks to the tax payer subsidy and property prices rise.

Inflation erodes costs... Hmmm, better if interest rates
didn't follow inflation up.

So basically tax payers pick up yet another bill


Like they do with tax deductible costs for landlords?

What costs do you  think landlords should not be able to deduct ?

They pay stamp duty , and their loan interest is already restricted. If there is little prospect of a profit then the money moves elsewhere.

Consequently plenty are giving up the game and leaving their dough in the bank for an easy 5%.  Properties needing TLC lie empty or are not refurbished - How does that help the family looking for a nice place to live when there is already a housing shortage ?

Landlords should exactly the same tax relief as tennents, none.

So a landlord who can no longer make the rental game pay due to this mean government, isn't going to sell it, but simply let it sit empty and rot?

When rental properties are dumped on the market, rental prices in the area go up. Eventually the yield will still make it viable eventually, in spite of the severe taxation and legislation.

I've not run the numbers but you'd probably need 10% to take the risk.

By the same logic, purchase prices go down due to the increased supply.

Swings and roundabouts.

Landlords should not get tax relief on repairs or renovations. Treat them exactly like owners and tenants.

Yes it should moderate the selling price of property. Property has been pretty stagnant since interest rates normalised. Though there are multiple factors impacting house prices, rental is more directly correlated with local supply and demand.

Has anyone got a Budget Bingo card?

Labour didn't rebuild Britain in 1964 in the white heat of technology.

Never underestimate the effect John, Paul, George and Ringo had on Britain back then.

Budget surplus around the corner

Feckin ell I never thought I'd hear that again.

Can it be done?


Ken Clarke purring?

1p off a pint in the pub

Thank you Chancellor

That could save me about £10 next year………. But I like the way you are thinking!

Are landlords allowed to leave several of their properties empty for as long as they want?

I have been drinking but has she put some moves in here?

Oh dear

Poor Tories, why or why did they vote for such useless Prime Ministers who appointed such useless ministers?

Jenrick, Bad Enoch hasta la vista baby

Who will be the next Tory PM? What school do they go too?

What about the housing crisis?

Tories look stunned

Lots of pubs to close
Rates discounts halved
Spoons md will be
MOANING

Nobby

Did you hear that?

Today I am taking steps to support people with the cost of living" - this is about increasing national min wage by 6.7% to £12.21 an hour for over 21s as it incorporating.  National min wage to 18-20 year old to go to £10/hr (and gradually to be raised so one adult rate). All from 6 April


This is good, 18 year olds are adults.

Still yapping
Gonna get rid of another million potholes
Drop in the
OCEAN

Tories must be fuming.

Capital spending will be increasing hugely and they will not be able to get their usual back handers because of imbeciles like Doris and Lettuce

We want to discourage non-smokers & young people from taking up vaping.

From 1 Oct 2026, we’re introducing a vaping duty for the first time at £2.20 per 10ml of liquid.

Plus a one-off tobacco duty rise to keep the incentive to choose refillable vaping over smoking.

Why didn’t the incompetent Tories do it then lucky?

Stamp duty extra cost for 2nd homes to rise from 3% to 5% (so that's on top of normal stamp duty) - start TOMORROW #Budget

If Rachel Reeves thinks giving hospitals a big bag of money will fix the NHS she is in for a very rude awakening.

VAT on private school fees from Jan 2025, and remove business rates relief for private schools from April 2025.

Nobby, surely they know that better practices need to be introduced to nhs

They have already discussed spreading learnt best practice from smaller schemes.

"I have come to conclusion that extending the freeze on tax thresholds would hurt working people. There will be no extension of the freeze in income tax & NI thresholds. From 2028/29 thresholds will be uprated in line with inflation"


Next election....

Tories absolutely lost!

No mention on betting taxes
Perhaps a little paper will soon
Appear

Poor little Richie

£450 extra on his private flights to California

Oh well I am sure he can afford it!

He’s got nothing but faux indignation.

But I bet Infosys are licking their lips!

We will reduce right to buy discounts "

YHTL

I would make each hospital trust bid for funding.

No improvement, no money.

All a panto now.

The change of threshold so employers now start paying National Insurance at £5,000 not £9,100 is big. For the employers who pay it, at the new 15% rate that alone's £615 increased cost per most employees per year.


Martin Lewis.

Lol at Sunak, a lot of noise but no substance. same as it ever was.

Nobby

Maybe a good idea, but auto targets would avoid costs of preparing bids

With bids prepared then for disputes

Indignant but must be fuming at the amount Labour is spending on infrastructure and looking at Hun5 and thinking there must be a spelling mistake.

Can you just imagine the kick back on some of those contracts. I would not be surprised to see some Tories committing hari kiri over their potential loss Kemi and Ricky wondering who will knife them in the back

Little Ritchie looking pathetic

He got nothing

Employers Allowance for NI has been increased from £5,000 to £10,500 a year (so this is amount off employers NI bill) so small businesses won't pay it.

Martin lewis

Tories thinking why didn't we do this instead of austerity

Employers NI is a major problem. Hopefully it will be changed

Biggest tax raising Budget in history - Reeves announces her plans will hike taxes by £40billion. For context Gordon Brown’s first Budget raised tax by £14bn and George Osborne’s by £13bn. Norman Lamont’s Budget would have been £33bn in today’s terms according to experts.

Kate McCann

NI on pensions.

Although wrong, take some consolation that this is the 20th year in a row that the Telegraph has wrongly predicted drastic changes in pension tax relief/tax free lump sum in a budget

Do you have a link or quote where that was predicted by the telegraph ?

Small employers can claim an ‘employment allowance’ which gives them a deduction on NIC contributions below £5,000, provided the NIC they paid or still owe for the previous year was below £100,000.

Nowt about evening up business rates between the High Street and online retailers like Amazon.

These chumps banged on about a supposed fiscal black hole for months. Yet in their first budget they chose to ramp up spending of money we done have. They can't lie straight.

Bitter and twisted

Can you imagine all the back handers th3 Tory MP’s have missed out on now they are in the wilderness

Employers NI is a major issue

Labour chumps are in power now. Her lying about a black hole and ramping up spending is all on her.

Sorry Cider

Are you saying Politicians should not lie?

Bring back Doris?

These freaks are meant to be the adults back in the room. Aren't they?

Cider • October 30, 2024 2:10 PM GMT
Do you have a link or quote where that was predicted by the telegraph ?

rofl

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/pensions/private-pensions/treasury-capping-pensions-tax-free-lump-sum/


They've been doing it for years and years, I can't believe you haven't noticed. This isn't a ditch to die in.

btw you are clearly seething that reeves didn't give you more stuff to moan about, so childish insults are streaming out.

Savers face a cut to the tax-free lump sum they can take from their pensions, under plans being considered by the Chancellor.

The Telegraph understands that government officials have asked one of Britain’s top pension providers to assess the impact of cutting the tax-free lump sum to £100,000, a third of the current limit.

This is not a prediction.

Unless you are claiming that government officials haven't done this?

Or you might have a link where they did actual predict it...

If Labour were really serious about taking people out of poverty they would have increased the minimum wage to £15 an hour which was a motion that the Unite Union put forward at a Labour press conference 18 months ago and was passed by the members, increasing it in general was not even one of his 10 pledges when he became leader, one MP resigned when he was asked to argue against the rise. The rise is 39p less than the real living wage outside of London and £1.64 less than inside London, even at the real living wage people are still just working to live rather than living to work.

There are many people that send their kids to Private schools and they are not all high fliers who work in their city, some are parents that work all the hours God sends just to be able to afford the tuition fees, good chance some will have to  send them back to poorly run state schools. It's not all rich, overly privileged  kids that attend public schools, in many cases it's hard working parents trying to give their kids the education they never had.

My view is that they would do it if they could, but it's way too complicated. Would also necessitate a change to juicy public sector db lump sums.

There are many people that send their kids to Private schools and they are not all high fliers who work in their city, some are parents that work all the hours God sends just to be able to afford the tuition fees, good chance some will have to  send them back to poorly run state schools. It's not all rich, overly privileged  kids that attend public schools, in many cases it's hard working parents trying to give their kids the education they never had.

Mes there are people who work really hard just to put a roof over their kids head and food on the table.

Of the 7% of kids who go to private school how many parents work three jobs? Dont the other 93% matter just as much?

Election lies confirmed , followed by Tax, Borrow and Spend - standard Labour stuff.

Poor cider and johnny

It won't make any difference to me - I'm thinking of others - the lower pay rises , the people who won't get offered a job that they would have been offered, the increased debt passed to our kids and grandkids , the bigger public sector , highest taxation burden ever - I could go on.

Pound down a little

Ftse 100 down a little

Ftse 250 up a little


No Truss up.

Increased debt from a balanced budget and then surplus

How does that work?

Looks like Mrs Sunak cannot go back to being non dom in uk.

https://x.com/holte/status/1851627002446438745?=19

..

Cider • October 30, 2024 2:47 PM GMT
My view is that they would do it if they could, but it's way too complicated. Would also necessitate a change to juicy public sector db lump sums.
I already told you in another thread, they aren't "juicy".

Borrowing figures fiddled , interest rates higher for longer , and little impact on growth predictions according to OBR.

What a mess !!  - borrowing huge sums for growth and it's not looking positive.

Spending more on public services means borrowing money and spending it on ourselves , leaving less to spend on future generations.

Biggest money tree in Labour's history ... and I've seen a few.

Suddenly the sun is shining

Pensions pots added to IHT from April 2027 means another hefty chunk for the government on death. They're quoting 8% affected... that appears low to me.

Truss reference is good and relevant one, despite all the moaning and whinging especially from the super rich clambering over each other on the runway at Gatwick to get themselves and their dough out of the country, the economy isn't crashing.

Have the Fed surprisingly hiked interest rates ?

Johnny

The country is already in a terrible state. We have stolen our children’s future. Most have no chance of a home let alone buying one.

We need a huge reset.

Trickle down economics live. The Captains of Industry will be licking their lips to get their snouts in the trough. Labour is always good for business.

The NI hikes are a big concern. The effects of the stamp duty rise needs to be assessed properly. Not sure it is going to work out.

Tories looked bombshelled. Why didn’t we do this? Like I said can you imagine the backhanders they are missing out on…. The look on their faces was one of total devastation just like the Mayor of Hiroshima

Which similar country are you under the illusion of it being easy to buy a house?

Which similar country are you under the illusion of it being easy to buy a house?

Germany, France, Spain to name 3

Nope


Rank
City
Price per Square Meter
to Buy Apartment
in City Centre
1    Zurich, Switzerland    25323.84
2    Geneva, Switzerland    20474.15
3    Lausanne, Switzerland    17060.62
4    Bern, Switzerland    13786.82
5    Paris, France    13122.56
6    Munich, Germany    12368.93
7    Luxembourg, Luxembourg    11424.65
8    Amsterdam, Netherlands    10213.94
9    Vienna, Austria    9754.73
10    Hamburg, Germany    8674.64
11    Berlin, Germany    8524.83
12    Frankfurt, Germany    8333.84
13    Dusseldorf, Germany    7995.73
14    Heidelberg, Germany    7572.05
15    Nice, France    7440.55
16    Salzburg, Austria    7355.71
17    Graz, Austria    7121.34
18    Nuremberg, Germany    7096.10
19    Haarlem, Netherlands    6898.98
20    Stuttgart, Germany    6874.34
21    Lyon, France    6461.67

Rank
City
Price per Square Meter
to Buy Apartment
in City Centre
1    London, United Kingdom    17916.34
2    Stockholm, Sweden    10161.96
3    Oslo, Norway    8777.13
4    Trondheim, Norway    8728.51
5    Copenhagen, Denmark    8131.26
6    Helsinki, Finland    8008.90
7    Espoo, Finland    7863.10
8    Dublin, Ireland    7468.52
9    Bristol, United Kingdom    6887.06
10    Edinburgh, United Kingdom    6861.76
11    Reykjavik, Iceland    6361.69
12    Bergen, Norway    5826.24
13    Gothenburg, Sweden    5678.35
14    Manchester, United Kingdom    5513.98


Rank
City
Price per Square Meter
to Buy Apartment
in City Centre
1    Milan, Italy    9047.23
2    Rome, Italy    7067.25
3    Madrid, Spain    6489.93
4    Lisbon, Portugal    6468.23
5    Barcelona, Spain    6253.49
6    Split, Croatia    5816.33
7    Ljubljana, Slovenia    5462.18
8    Naples, Italy    4867.75
9    Bologna, Italy    4686.56
10    Belgrade, Serbia    4286.35
11    Zagreb, Croatia    4167.48
12    Turin, Italy    3836.93
13    Porto, Portugal    3707.61
14    Budva, Montenegro    3364.16
15    Valencia, Spain    3353.13

Result of globalisation, EU, mass immigration and centrally coordinated virtual free borrowing for over a decade since 2008.

There's no way domestic property would get significantly easier to access for domestic people unless we stopped anyone in the world from being able to purchase it. No matter how many properties are built.

City centre prices as normal?

I'm not going to waste time searching for you. I wouldn't bother wasting your time searching either, I can assure you it's the same across 'the west', as they follow broadly the same monetary and open door immigration policies.

When buying a home, it’s essential to understand all the costs involved. Price is a crucial aspect for German real estate investors or if you want to buy a house for personal living.

The average purchasing price of a house in Germany is around 320,000 EUR. On average, people spend about 354,000 EUR on buying a home. The average price per square meter for an apartment in Germany was 4,664 EUR in 2022 across the country.

1p off a pint while pensioners freeze , sums this Government up too a tee.

From 1 Oct 2026, we’re introducing a vaping duty for the first time at £2.20 per 10ml of liquid, =  Another black market opens up

no fuel rise

happy days

Vaping has always been a black market industry.

Super strength and Spice

For £40bn I'd liked Labour to have announce da new town. Fund all the infrastructure and then let developers bid for space.

Something really ambitious

Tax goes up, ni goes up, companies and businesses hit with it as well meaning inflation about to go up, layoffs about to go up, big guys just stick a finger up and leave on the next flight anyway...

But my dad says we have to do it and it's not bad at all, despite him being a tory voter...

Lack of blood to the brain

and little impact on growth predictions according to OBR.



So debt down, as well as deficit, and no loss of growth.

A miracle.

Debt down ? Are you mad ? - We are borrowing £100bn  over 5 years to finance the splurge - great for us - but not so good for future generations. The selfish generation rejoicing in more for us !

Not great for us either. Just the public sector.

There's no way on god's green earth that the tax increases announced will rake in £40B. Playground economics.

Again 14 years of catastrophic tory borrowing supported by johnny

Now borrowing is bad despite an actual ambition to balance the budget.

Strange bloke