The game changer, Taylor Swift has come out in Support of Kamala Harris

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Trump is a moron, I've said it many times, you're missing the point.

Endorsements from celebs are not going to have an impact, How Did Clinton get on after Katy Perry with her 205 million followers, publicly endorsed her in 2016? . The voter turnout is always the lowest amongst 18-24 year olds, in 2016 it was around 7% below national average despite a boat load of hipster celebs waving the Clinton flag. Most of her fans of any age group eligible to vote will be in that 18-24 year old category, older voters are not going to be swayed by manufactured pop artist if anything it'd be counter productive.

The only relevance is if she uses her downtime (no dates for a month) to organise her fans into registering to vote or - better still - getting a postal vote in now. This election is not about undecideds and winning the argument. There are no undecideds with Trump. People made up their mind long ago. The key is the two parties seeing who can do better at getting their base to cast the vote. If Swift can use her considerable influence to persuade people who ordinarily wouldn't bother to actually put an x in a box then it could well be key.

Taylor Swift has the power to swing this election if she can encourage new voters to register and turn out to vote in the swing states where every vote is going to be vital. She has a huge army of very loyal followers, very similar to Trump's MAGA cult and many will have never voted before.

This endorsement is far more significant than any celebrity endorsement in the past and will have a much greater impact by turning out more of those young voters who take little interest in politics as there is much more at stake this time compared to 2016 when the entire mainstream media expected Hillary Clinton to win comfortably.

Taylor Swift has the power to swing this election one of the most amusing comments I've ever read on here.

Hilary had the Khardashians, Lady Gaga, Oprah Winfrey, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, people with several hundred millions worth of followers, most of which at the time at the peak of their popularity, that amongst hundreds more celebs in her corner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hillary_Clinton_2016_presidential_campaign_celebrity_endorsements

The Khardashian's in particular are even more popular and followed than swift. Swift herself didn't endorse Hilary in 2016 even though by that time she had already positioned herself as a feminist, despite the reasons she gave it was probably as to not upset her the fans in the conservative, Republican background her country music came from. Now she's morphed into a much bigger mainstream media star. These types of public endorsements does Nothing for any candidate.

Rust Belt states like Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan are 3 of the key swing states that will decide this election which means people there will vote with who they believe will be best for the economy, Trump at his rally in Iowa for example drew attention to the increased home mortgage interest rates during Biden's time that drove up monthly home payments. Kamala however is ahead in the polls in all 7 key swing states but 6 of them by a tiny percentage. Pennsylvania is probably the most key state having 19 electoral college votes with the winner takes all rule, and all though they've voted Dems in 7 of the last 8 elections so it's looking good for Harris who has campaigned there as many times as Trump since taken over. No dopey celeb like Swift is going to have an effect of who votes in these places.

You have a lot to learn. There has been research showing that celebrity endorsements do actually make a difference, and in a very tight race in the swing states, that difference could be vital in deciding who wins the entire election.

I've probably forgotten more than you'll learn if you think yet another celebrity can swing this election, I've already posted twice the names of a few gigantic celebs who didn't to help Clinton's cause.

You are confusing consumer culture with political culture, a celebrity can help grow a brand, not grow a voter base. In all the polls I've ever seen on why people vote certain ways in certain areas, never have I heard anyone say 'because x celeb voted for them' and definitely not in large numbers. It usually symbiotic on the celebs part to associate themselves in these times to enhance their own reputation, to keep them in the headlines or increase relevance.

I've probably forgotten more than you'll learn if you think yet another celebrity can swing this election

I look forward to betting against you on here in future then. I hope you have a decent sized bank.

I think Harris will win, regardless of who's endorsing her, Biden won the election for the Dems by stepping down.

In 2020 when Swift endorsed Biden, tens of thousands of young people then registered to vote.

and? that happens every four years, it happened in 2016 as well when all the pop stars came out for Hilary, it's not important in the outcome.

The only thing that is certain is that Taylor Swift endorsement of Harris will encourage her fans to register and vote for her. Whether it makes a difference to the final result, who knows? Its guaranteed to help though.

They went and registered right after Swift's endorsement. Those people may never have registered and therefore never voted or taken any interest. You don't seem to appreciate how much influence Swift has over her fans by comparing her to other celebrities. As I have already stated, her fanbase is much like Trump's MAGA cult, they worship her in the same way.

She would hardly be endorsing Trump , the outcome of this Election is a disaster waiting to happen ,regardless who wins

again they do this all the time, you must have been following elections in the US for years, there is ALWAYS a sharp uptake in new registrations when a big time celeb endorses them, her manic fans are spread across the country in states that mostly solid red, or solid blue, those key states even with the uptake of new voters are a) not going to outnumber the 25+ year olds who are mostly not manic Taylor Swift fans and B) are key states that have key issues to most people, employment, economy, job prospects, social housing, tax breaks etc etc. The bat sh1t crazy Swift fans wont even cause a ripple where it actually matters.

If it's so ineffective, why did Trump bring out Hulk Hogan, eh?

because he's a brain dead moron

You have no idea whether or not new voters will make a difference in the swing states as that remains to be determined. If the vote in those states is decided by a tiny margin, her endorsement could make all the difference because of the ridiculous Electoral College system where a few thousand voters in 3 or 4 states decide the whole election in a country of over 345 million people. If they had a normal presidential voting system like every other civilised country then her endorsement would very likely make no difference.

ffs they're are 'new voters' every 4 years, who register to vote after a big time celebrity endorsement, yet in Pennsylvania for example, they've voted the same way 7 out of the last 8 elections. Swift is no different to some of the huge stars over the years who've given their endorsement, anyone that thinks otherwise must have some kind of infatuation with her. Khardashian endorsed Hilary, over 300 million followers, Katy Perry endorsed her, over 200 million followers, she lost.

It's not about how many followers someone has on social media, it's about how devoted those people are. You are showing your naivety by comparing Swift to those other celebrities when the celebrity you should be comparing her to is Trump himself.

I think you are simply demonstrating that love is blind, the influence all of those hundreds of different celebs combined in the link above that endorsed Hilary, are completely quashed by the 1 single mid 30 year old cat loving singer lol. Jesus Wept.

All those celebrities will also be endorsing Harris, but none of them will have the impact that Swift will in a tight race. Ten of thousands of people don't go and register to vote after they have made an endorsement. You started this thread because you have made the mistake of comparing Swift to other celebrities. You should do more research before posting about things you have little knowledge of.

You are convincing yourself probably because you are desperately hoping she will have that affect, you are telling yourself that one person with a huge following is going to sway an entire election, they were your words 'Taylor Swift has the power to swing this election', you literally have nothing to back that up with. You're also saying those huge numbers of celebs in 2016, men, women, black, white Asian, gay, straight bi, African Americans, Latino's, popular TV hosts such as Degenres, Oprah and hundreds of others, all combined, have less influence and affect than Taylor Swift, go and sit in the corner and give your head a wobble, celebrities will have no impact on key swing states, the majority of voters in those stats will be well beyond the target audience range of kiddie poppy acts like Swift who'll be voting on serious matters, not because some singer has a cult following.

Sep 11, 2024 -- 12:17PM, mesmerised wrote:

You are convincing yourself probably because you are desperately hoping she will have that affect, you are telling yourself that one person with a huge following is going to sway an entire election, they were your words 'Taylor Swift has the power to swing this election', you literally have nothing to back that up with. You're also saying those huge numbers of celebs in 2016, men, women, black, white Asian, gay, straight bi, African Americans, Latino's, popular TV hosts such as Degenres, Oprah and hundreds of others, all combined, have less influence and affect than Taylor Swift, go and sit in the corner and give your head a wobble, celebrities will have no impact on key swing states, the majority of voters in those stats will be well beyond the target audience range of kiddie poppy acts like Swift who'll be voting on serious matters, not because some singer has a cult following.

How do you know that celebrity endorsements didn't help Hilary? Because she lost?

You're also saying those huge numbers of celebs in 2016, men, women, black, white Asian, gay, straight bi, African Americans, Latino's, popular TV hosts such as Degenres, Oprah and hundreds of others, all combined, have less influence and affect than Taylor Swift

You seem to be lacking in basic comprehension skills too. I have said no such thing. I have explained to you in very simple terms how a Taylor Swift endorsement could swing the entire election in a very close race in the swing states.

For example, if the outcome of the entire election hinges on the result in Pennsylvania, which could well be the case, and there is just a couple of thousand votes in it, Swift's endorsement could make all the difference. As an individual, she has the power to swing an election more than any other celebrity.

the ridiculous Electoral College system where a few thousand voters in 3 or 4 states decide the whole election in a country of over 345 million people. If they had a normal presidential voting system like every other civilised country then her endorsement would very likely make no difference

Why is it ridiculous?

The premise of this is 'America became a nation, and then decided on this absurd system'

But it is back to front; There were 13 states, several of which were not going to enter a union which would be dominated by 3 or 4 of them.

So the electoral college (and equal representation in the senate) was proposed to ensure the small states could not be disregarded.

So it's not that the USA chose a dumb system, rather that EC made the existence of the USA possible.

It is ridiculous in this day an age that a general election of over 345 million people is decided by a few thousand voters in 3 or 4 states. If they really cared about democracy they would throw it out and adopt the same system as almost every other civilised country where every vote counts and the winner has to have majority support in the country.

That is the last thing Republicans want though as that would mean getting rid of a system that greatly works in their favour and adopting a system that is fair for all but puts them at a much greater disadvantage.

I don't support any system where every vote doesn't count, so I don't support the first past the post system in parliamentary elections either.

First there was word that Taor Swift had endorsed Trump, now she's endorsing Kamala?

Have a word with yourself Jack it's embarrassing, there are several key states, suggesting she has the power to swing this election if she can encourage new voters to register and turn out to vote in those swing states is ridiculous because every 4 years  there are literally untold amounts of top celebs who do the same thing, and in 2016 there were an eye watering amount of top celebs all clamoring for one person, can you comprehend that? what you're saying is tantamount to saying she has more influence than all of  them put together - you are literally hanging everything one the fact she's extremely popular amongst mostly kids right now that's her target audience, under 18's, every four years there is a surge in 18-24 year olds who register to vote after the latest popular star usually within the music industry, puts their name to one of the candidates, Katy Perry was one 8 years ago.

Another thing you don't seem to understand is that her fans are not all young kids. She has been around for a long time time and many of her fans who followed her from the outset are now in their thirties.

Many of those people will have never had any interest in politics and never voted. Now that abortion is on the ballot more than ever before, her power to influence the outcome of a tight race is greater that ever.

Comparisons to 2016 are just naive when Hillary was expected to win comfortably and the main reason she didn't was voter apathy. If you can't see how she could swing the election all by herself in the example I have given where the election is decided by a couple of thousand votes in Pennsylvania, then I am wasting my time.

Sep 11, 2024 -- 12:53PM, mesmerised wrote:

Have a word with yourself Jack it's embarrassing, there are several key states, suggesting she has the power to swing this election if she can encourage new voters to register and turn out to vote in those swing states is ridiculous because every 4 years

What I am saying to you is you are way over estimating the level of influence of one single person just because she has mobilised new registrations and in turn, new voters, every 4 years there are literally untold amounts of A-list celebrities who do exactly the same thing every 4 years and their man/woman doesn't always win. You're dismissing the number of followers and the level of influence the likes of  the Khardashians has when she endorsed Clinton, which is way more than Swift, same as Katy Perry who was the biggest female star on the planet, and instead using this phantom cult following schtick that Swift apparently has that the likes of the Khardashians apparently don't, as an argument for actually deciding the election. You could literally make this argument for any top A list celeb then and fk me where there boatloads of them 8 years ago who were all tripping over themselves to endorse Clinton - I don't remember much voter apathy, I remember box office TV debates between Trump and Hilary with record audiences for such debates and a voter turnout not that much different to previous elections in terms of VEP & VAP percentages.

Her target audience is kids, gays and women, people's music taste tends to change when they reach maturer years, then tend to bin off kitsch music, low brow mass produced pap, in favour or real music.

If Swift can use her considerable influence

Her "influence" begins and ends with an army of teenie boppers and fake paid twitter army who prowl for any disobedience of their queen on twitter.

Just look at the state of when Damon Albarn (rightly) called her out. He went crawling. That silver spoon clown hasn't written a decent song in her life by herself. Its tech produced garbage.

Swift without question imho will tick Trumps box in the voting booth. She showed herself a fake when she was caught on camera saying she needed to be on the right side of history (She meant right side of the result/media opinion). Add in she has taken this long to make her decision. The NFL meathead shes going out with will be ticking Trumps box as well

We will have to disagree then if you believe that Swift does not have much greater power to sway the vote in a tight race than the likes of the Kardashians and Katy Perry. If Trump and his MAGA cult pick a fight with her fanbase they will end up regretting it.

tobermory • September 11, 2024 6:34 PM BST
the ridiculous Electoral College system where a few thousand voters in 3 or 4 states decide the whole election in a country of over 345 million people. If they had a normal presidential voting system like every other civilised country then her endorsement would very likely make no difference

Why is it ridiculous?

The premise of this is 'America became a nation, and then decided on this absurd system'

But it is back to front; There were 13 states, several of which were not going to enter a union which would be dominated by 3 or 4 of them.

So the electoral college (and equal representation in the senate) was proposed to ensure the small states could not be disregarded.

So it's not that the USA chose a dumb system, rather that EC made the existence of the USA possible.

Superb post. The EC is a superb way of voting with a country structure like the USA.

Imagine the state of the USA (as if it isn't bad enough already) if it was left to LA and NY to run the show....

Why would they fight?

Trumps followers will vote en mass. (Win or lose)
Swifts followers have to wait another 8 years to get to legal voting age.

Sep 11, 2024 -- 12:32PM, Jack Bauer "24" wrote:

You're also saying those huge numbers of celebs in 2016, men, women, black, white Asian, gay, straight bi, African Americans, Latino's, popular TV hosts such as Degenres, Oprah and hundreds of others, all combined, have less influence and affect than Taylor SwiftYou seem to be lacking in basic comprehension skills too. I have said no such thing. I have explained to you in very simple terms how a Taylor Swift endorsement could swing the entire election in a very close race in the swing states.For example, if the outcome of the entire election hinges on the result in Pennsylvania, which could well be the case, and there is just a couple of thousand votes in it, Swift's endorsement could make all the difference. As an individual, she has the power to swing an election more than any other celebrity.

Don't waste your time on this poor man's Piers Morgan. I told him the other day that he is lacking in reading comprehension, and then as a comeback he just said that because English is not my 1st language I don't know what reading comprehension is. But it's good to see others are coming to the same conclusion regarding his comprehension.
This guy makes his mind up on something, and then regardless of any counter arguments presented to him he sticks to his opinion.

You're a fool Caramba, jumping in off of the back of someone else's debate. You were upset after I called your hero Swift a few unkind names on another thread, then you lashed out like the tragic fanboy you are.
I misread one person's comment on the tennis forum thinking he was replying to one post when it was in fact another, that's not a lack of comprehension, you d1ckhead, that's a simple misunderstanding.

Sep 11, 2024 -- 2:14PM, Jack Bauer "24" wrote:

We will have to disagree then if you believe that Swift does not have much greater power to sway the vote in a tight race than the likes of the Kardashians and Katy Perry. If Trump and his MAGA cult pick a fight with her fanbase they will end up regretting it.

Trump will pick a fight with anyone as he's slags off anyone who declares they don't like him regardless of how popular they are, that's one of the many reasons as to why he's a moron.

Jack wilthshire backing trump

The fuss about this gives the impression that she never said anything about politics before, but didn't she endorse Biden last time

so what's the difference

She did. She's more famous now than she was 4 years ago, and her fans might relate more to Kamala than 77 year old Biden so that might make a difference.

Maybe Biden won because Swift endorsed him

The difference is that this is looking like a much closer race than 2020 as you have told us multiple times yourself. Biden won 6 swings states then, if this comes down to one single state where the vote is very tight, her endorsement will obviously have a far greater impact than in 2020.

lol, it's a possibilty

Sep 11, 2024 -- 3:53PM, yak hunt wrote:

Maybe Biden won because Swift endorsed him

haha true! Did she endorse Hillary?

Actually she first got into politics in 2018 endorsing Phil Bredesen for a Tennessee senate race.

He was 8 pts down at the time and lost by 11.

Tennessee doesn't appear to be a hotbed of young Democrat Swiftie voters.

They should try and persuade her to go out and campaign for Harris in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin where the election will very likely be won and lost. She was actually born in Pennsylvania and spent her childhood there before moving to Nashville as a teenager.

I doubt that's going to work. I think there's a limit (for now anyway) of how much she wants to get into politics. If she, and Beyonce, didn't perform at the Dem convention with most of the nation watching, I don't see them go out on campaign tours.

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She gave her reasons for not endorsing Hilary in 2016 but they were wishy washy.

Do people also not take into account that whilst she may increase a few votes for Kamala, at the same time can put off floating voters who have no interest in her or her music and take umbridge at her turning up and  to try and sway votes.

As said before, the betting barely moved in inch after her announcement, it moved after the debate, things like that actually matter, she got the better of him.

Sep 11, 2024 -- 4:16PM, mesmerised wrote:

She gave her reasons for not endorsing Hilary in 2016 but they were wishy washy.Do people also not take into account that whilst she may increase a few votes for Kamala, at the same time can put off floating voters who have no interest in her or her music and take umbridge at her turning up and

The betting did move after her announcement. It was in the process of moving post debate.

it was moving during and after the debate due to Kamala's strong showing and the subsequent media reporting that she'd beaten him

That is correct.

she is a shoe in for me right now

fair play to the democrats they turned it around

i think a non white woman suits the progressive narrative as well