Southport Riot spreads

OK, I don't think anyone told lies, more likely I just misread it as the victim was the one put in prison.

But still a woman was jailed for insulting a rapist.

And served more time than 8 of the rapists.

So that is some really weird German law right there.

It does appear to be a historically weak and poor justice system they have had over in Germany.

Well, I happen to know that exactly the story about the rape victim having had been put into jail was spread on social media and the fringe sites that like to lie about such things. I actually encountered the same thing with flat16 on another thread in which I also posted some more about the case and why it wasn't a "classical" gang rape case, which explains the suspended sentences in part. I don't remember which thread it was and with the search function out of order it's near impossible for me to locate.

The short version is that what happened has only been considered rape (or illegal to begin with) in Germany since late 2016, when the feminists and wokes reformed the sexual laws in a way that seeks to protect intoxicated parties. I.e. since then it has been rape to have sex with someone who you should have known was in no state of mind to give a conscious and informed "yes". At the time the law was passed much to the distress of nay-sayers and traditionalists who either said "Can't prove something so wishy-washy either way" or "Men really aren't allowed to do anything anymore", but the court showed that you very much can assess that the rapists should have very much known better and respected that the other party was unable to give anything close to real consent.

As far as the court was able to establish, it wasn't the kind of gang rape where late at night the victim is violated and raped with a lot of physical violence involved. Instead, at least some of it was actually apparently initiated by the girl even, but the men should have known to decline because she was so heavily drunk.

Your characterisation of the rapists as refugees is also inaccurate btw., although the vast majority did have a background in migration. About half of them were born in Germany, another in Poland.

As an onlooking 3rd party edy that looks like lot of supposition without any sources.

What would you like sourced?

Not sure there would have been any sentencing at all with the corrobation thing in Scotland.

Although hopefully generally has also criminalised it to take advantage of people who are not able to give real consent.

*Scotland has also criminalised

“Not sure”  is that a euphemism for don’t have a clue but trying a big reach for a conclusion?

It's me seeking to express that I understand that the corrobation thing in Scotland makes it tougher to find convictions.

Either way, what was

Shrewd_dude • August 4, 2024 11:57 PM BST
As an onlooking 3rd party edy that looks like lot of supposition without any sources.
Blush

all about if you don't react to me asking what you would like sourced, but react almost immediately to my later Scotland remark?

I don't ask "What would you like sourced?" for the great fun of it. It is a genuine offer to provide you with further information if you are unable to take the given information and verify them to a satisfiable degree yourself.

I’m not bothered about any sources edy.

I’m just not sure someone posting on social media is particularly believable because they criticise other social media for their credibility and include “I happen to know” in the post.

Oh, if it's about the thing that I happen to know that people lied about who was jailed....

Here is e.g. GB News, to this very day, titling a video of theirs, which they keep online

"OUTRAGEOUS | Rape VICTIM jailed for calling her migrant rapist a 'PIG' over text"

with the description

193.541 Aufrufe  29.06.2024  #gbnews #germany #news
A rape victim has been jailed for LONGER than her rapist got, after she texted him and called him a 'pig' and a 'freak', after he reported her for 'offence'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0JwdynCj4Q

Although in this particular case, the video itself does seem to get it right and does not say it was the rape victim that got jailed. But if people only pay half attention or only read title and description, you'd know why people come onto message boards or X and write

tobermory • August 4, 2024 11:00 PM BST
Germany has some weird laws.

Jailed a girl who had been gang raped by refugees the other week. For insulting one of the rapists.

It was a bit more than "pig" and "freak" btw.

Good job Edy.

Just as well you were there to question whether their short in the know versions posted on social media were credible.

What?

What short in the know versions posted on social media?

Thought about it once more and reconsidered whatever you meant with that?

Aug 4, 2024 -- 11:01PM, tobermory wrote:

Aug  4, 2024 -- 10:59PM, edy wrote:The fine gentlemen are meant to have put razor blades underneath their stickers at least sometimes.Think that's an urban myth. Trans activists say the terf stickers have razors underneath. Don't think there's been a confirmed case?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10062429/Police-urge-people-not-remove-hate-posters-razor-blades-Nazi-stickers.html

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people who keeo asking questions are problems

right now the u k needs solutions

OCD

theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/04/conservatives-left-uk-wide-open-to-far-right-violence-says-former-adviser
14 yrs The cycle repeated
As explosions broke in the sky

Send in the water cannons & and baton rounds
Lots of police without riot-gear - face masks won't work
Ya could track all data points & cut benefits , housing of rioters ECT

Full of top tips I am

https://x.com/SMRRejoinRadio/status/1820395935832137825?s=19

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the last Conservative Government published a review just last year claiming that there had been "too much focus" on tackling threats from the far-right.(Braverman)

Thanks to @josiahmortimer for a very interesting Reform post that gives away their strategy.

Tommy Robinson is a 'good lad' but Reform can't be associated with the riots because their eyes are on the 2029 election.

Not because racist violence is wrong.

have reform condemned the rioting?

Torys in Power = Stability

Labour in Power = Mayhem and Civil unrest/war

Aug 5, 2024 -- 12:31PM, Racingqueen wrote:

Torys in Power = StabilityLabour in Power = Mayhem and Civil unrest/war

Explain summer riots (always Summer) 1981, 1991 and 2010 please!

https://x.com/josiahmortimer/status/1820401116175118590/photo/2

Desperate stuff from one of the usual suspects

Get Brexit dun

Protect our borders

Wrong type of Brexit

Losers all! No wonder they are rioting. They were lied to and are losers

Two tier policing.  Prepare for clampdown on any awkward  questions to Comrade Chairman and his stooges.

ps
I see muslims are on the march.

Are you on the march, moisok?

Aug 5, 2024 -- 1:50AM, edy wrote:

Aug  4, 2024 -- 11:01PM, tobermory wrote:Aug

Edy will find the text

Explain summer riots (always Summer) 1981, 1991 and 2010 please!

Leftover of Labours influence.

Aug 5, 2024 -- 3:33PM, tobermory wrote:

Edy will find the text

You think a Tommy Robinson fan put that there Edy ?

I didn't talk about Tommy Robinson in regards to the razor blades. I talked about it in regards to it being something neo-nazi groups that want to exterminate the jews are said to have done. Robinson accepts the right of existence for jews and Israel from what I know.

Of course there is the theoretical chance that the various documented cases were all evil lefties that wanted to frame the neo-nazis. Is there really much to gain from that though? Neo-nazis aren't exactly the most respected portion of society.

If you are a neo-nazi however the step from seeking to incite the population towards supporting the eradication of jews to putting razor blades behind your stickers in order to hurt jews or other people that remove the stickers is probably not all that long.

So I think it is more likely the razors behind anti-semite stickers majorily originate from the neo-nazis rather than jews or nasty lefties that wish to frame the poor lil innocent misunderstood neo-nazis.

They'll have to let everyone out of prison to bang all the rioters and Patriots up ( there is a massive difference) between the 2.

Government should apologise to Rawanda government and send the rioters there to serve their prison sentences.

Absolutely no difference between a criminal and a criminal Dam. If your  “Patriots” are criminals then lock them up.

mex, Read what i said, or do you need someone to read it to you,?
You've read it wrongly

So I think it is more likely the razors behind anti-semite stickers majorily originate from the neo-nazis rather than jews or nasty lefties that wish to frame the poor lil innocent misunderstood neo-nazis.

I think it rather less likely.

The 'razor blades under stickers' was old lefty folklore thing from decades ago. Believed by the faithful but never a single conviction that anyone could point to.

Then a few years back trans activists loons tried to revive it and of course blame 'TERFS'. This led to a great deal of mockery from said Terfs as the examples from the activists were mostly just twitter posts with no photos or evidence.

In the end the only way to make this stuff real is to do it themselves.

If someone wants to exterminate jews, they will not be anywhere near an upstanding citizen. They will also know that their stickers are likely to be eagerly removed. Hence a need of protection or at least a little bit of pay back.

Dam

Lock up criminals regardless of your opinion about them being patriots or rioters.

Send them to a jail in Rwanda if we don’t have room here.

What would be in it for the nasty left? The general public opinion is already "Neo-Nazis are the very worst of society". So opinion on Neo-Nazis doesn't change. What changes is that people become less eager to just rip the stickers off and the only ones interested in that are the neo-nazis themselves.

Did the stickerman who they put in prison have razor blades under them?

Not from what I heard, why?

So why do any of the others?

When people get to the bottom of these incidents this was the typical outcome

"In 2018 a trans activist posted a picture of a cut finger online and revealed this had come from touching a ‘transphobic’ sticker, only to find a razor blade behind it, and had contacted the police. When a reverse image search was carried out online, it emerged that the picture was at least five years old, and the finger belonged to an American rapper.  Despite this, the British Transport Police still investigated the claim and then issued a statement that it was a hoax that had wasted considerable police time."

So in the end the lefties will be laughed at with their anecdotes and dodgy photos, and  some will conclude they'll just have to get an actual blade and put a sticker on it.

Because humans are individuals and even neo-nazis sometimes make their own decisions.

Just like in the version you deem likelier, it would be lone wolf nasty lefties here and there trying to frame the neo-nazis instead of every leftie out there false flag planting razor blades under neo-nazi stickers.

Here was another classic

https://thecritic.co.uk/did-the-anti-lockdown-razor-story-really-happen/


When we have a list of obvious leftie hoaxers for razor blades under stickers and apparently zero convictions of far right types doing it, then I am going to assume the Mail story is another hoax unless some evidence to the contrary emerges.

That seems sensible, especially as the imprisoned King of the far right stickermen apparently put up hundreds of stickers with zero razor blades attached.

Here is an actual lifelong lefty activist who has been taking down right wing stickers for decades

https://libcom.org/article/sticking-it-razorblades-and-anti-fascist-folklore-f-bear

"My 35 years of one-man sticker removal have been accompanied by many rumours of razor blades or other sharp objects lurking menacingly beneath the adhesive surfaces. Lots of people have heard of this happening and several people have told me that they know people that it happened to. Or actually knew someone that knew someone…

There have been equal amounts of naysayers, who have pointed out quite reasonably that it all feels very much like an urban myth and is eerily similar to malevolent strangers putting pins in halloween candy"

The Patriots are not the ones going jail.

The criminals are

Good!

Aug 5, 2024 -- 5:47PM, tobermory wrote:

Here was another classichttps://thecritic.co.uk/did-the-anti-lockdown-razor-story-really-happ... we have a list of obvious leftie hoaxers for razor blades under stickers and apparently zero convictions of far right types doing it, then I am going to assume the Mail story is another hoax unless some evidence to the contrary emerges.That seems sensible, especially as the imprisoned King of the far right stickermen apparently put up hundreds of stickers with zero razor blades attached.

The hundreds of stickers are about him creating and managing a database with that amount of stickers, some of which seek to motivate you into wanting to exterminate the jews. Classic neo-nazi stuff.

I don't think it's really known how many actual stickers he put up and that's not what he was jailed for.

I don't think it's really known how many actual stickers he glued to a a lamb post.

Therefore it's always a bit disingenuine when people describe it as him being jailed for stickering.

Either way, if we feel sorry for someone who wants to motivate people into wanting to exterminate jews and we feel it is a real bad framing campaign to suggest that neo-nazis would put razor blades behind stickers, here is a campaign to collect money

https://www.givesendgo.com/sammelia

organised by this fine lad

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Collett

Also, from your article:

The certainty on both sides makes it quite difficult to be objective. Certainly I have never encountered these sharp objects personally, and neither have the majority of comrades I surveyed whilst writing this article3 . But it turns out that some have.

So let me be clear that I am categorically NOT saying that this is simply an urban myth. Some people have encountered sharp objects when removing dodgy stickers, but this seems to be incredibly rare. Some fairly obvious precautions to take are suggested below.

AMAZING BREAKING NEWS REGARDING THESE RIOTS IN BRITAIN......
The Italians have Surrendered already

Like their boxer?

Italians never surrender. How dare you?!?

They switch sides if the other side starts looking like the victor.

You know the awkward thing about the Middlesbrough Riot/Protests? I support tommy, i'm a patriot, i'm anti-immigration and yet... my house windows were smashed today.

How is that productive in any way? You had no idea who's houses you were destroying idiots.

https://x.com/OutOfSinq/status/1820162804336283753?s=19

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https://x.com/DillyHussain88/status/1820486019210490190?s=19

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Is Starmer going to moan at Musk for allowing those posts too?
Comes to something when he get offended by observations that he doesn’t want to listen to, and Musk becomes one of the only ones to ask Starmer direct searching questions people on the street want to know.

…and what kind of reaction was Mark Rowley grabbing the mic of a reporter having the audacity to question about 2 tier policing?
Looked petulant.

Rioters threw petrol bombs in Belfast, while "sustained violence" broke out in Plymouth. As anti-immigration and far right disorder continues, the government is investigating whether state actors are spreading disinformation and fuelling the riots.

Disinformation spreads online

The rumours were fuelled by several far-right figures, including Tommy Robinson and Andrew Tate, who posted about them on social media.

Accounts with the names @europeinvasionn and @endwokeness also posted false information, reaching millions of people on X and Telegram.

As speculation spiralled, MP Nigel Farage questioned if the police, who had said the attack was not "terror-related", were being truthful.

"The police say it is a non-terror incident, just as they said the stabbing of an army lieutenant colonel in uniform on the streets of Kent the other day was a non-terror incident," said the Reform leader. "I just wonder whether the truth is being withheld from us. I don't know the answer to that but I think it is a fair and legitimate question."

He was criticised for fuelling violence.

Have anyone explained the speech of a police liaison officer telling gangs of Asians that they wouldn’t be arrested for carrying machetes but to ‘get rid of them’ (what before somebody comes and upholds the law?) that got aired on social media?

I noticed the bbc listed all the apparent action of the night, then mentioning in passing Birmingham at the end that was ‘largely peaceful’
When it’s social media that showed the absolute leathering of some guy in what looks like a bar.

Information is the key
Unfortunately Putin, the Chinese and Japanese are well in front of the U K on this

"absolute leathering of some guy in what looks like a bar." Dusty ?

Please dont post that sort of sh1te Dusty


Learning leather bars was different from learning life outside the closet.
In the room downstairs, a strobe flashed over mounds of muscle and harnesses. Men slipped in and out of shadow. I couldn't tell if they were dancing or fecking. I later understood that to be the point.

https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/2017/11/09/35-dos-and-donts-gay-leather-bar#rebelltitem1

The conventional’traditional’ media just doesn’t cut it, sending a reporter out to a static position looking to ‘grab a word’ from people walking around doesn’t show you the reality.

That was a quick move from you not having an X account and never seeing anything on unless linked from elsewhere to social media being the one true place for everything.

And that still happens to be the case. I referred to the posting of links to ‘x’ by the description in the post.

But anything captured on x makes its way through the collective social media anyway
And hardly ever gets seen on the bbc etc

It funny how the reporters sent out to cover the largely peaceful actually creates a story in itself by what they cut away from.
The reporters getting tires slashed and harassed and sworn at, or the one ducking away from machete carrying mobs.
You end up seeing that on social media.

former head of UK counter-terrorism

Not only does it fit the definition of terrorism, it is terrorism.
It’s nothing short of an attempt at a modern-day lynching and the people who did it should be facing life imprisonment,
not a five-year sentence for violent disorder.

Basu’s comments came as:

Australia, Nigeria, Malaysia and Indonesia issued travel alerts to their nationals living in or visiting the UK, warning them to stay away from demonstrations.
Amanda Pritchard, the chief executive of NHS England, warned the riots have made many of the health service’s multicultural workforce feel afraid and unwelcome and the Royal College of Nursing called on ministers to ensure that anyone who targets nurses pays a very heavy price

Arsonist calls fire brigade, while explaining why fire was inevitable and justified…
Send in the water cannons & baton rounds
track all data points & jail , cut benefits , housing ect
Then go after the hierarchy cashing in
MEDUZA, Goodboys - Piece Of Your Heart

It is a bar, Dusty, in Yardley. I know the area well. It used to be called "The Yew Tree" and was an old pub that has been recently restyled and renamed "The Mucky Duck" to appeal to the younger generation.

There’s no question that social media is raw, but it’s the policy that’s added to news of the likes of bbc that is the problem.

Countlessly starring at the effect of something and ignoring the cause.
The case in point of Starmer ignoring any suggestion of ‘2 tier’ while the evidence that the bbc refuse to show, shows it unequivocally
Did it not happen, was it all staged, were they actors shipped in to create a clip before a director shouts ‘cut’?

*should have read polish not policy

the country's EX - highest ranking Asian officer  , Neil Basu of Indian descent said the current wave of violence had been triggered by “lies spread through social media” and “we need to do something about that”.

On X far-right activist and convicted criminal Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, also known as Tommy Robinson, spent the weekend posting inflammatory messages to thousands of followers, all from the safety of a sun lounger in Cyprus.

Robinson was handed back his X account last November by the social media firm’s billionaire owner Elon Musk.

Mr Musk himself posted this weekend where he said civil war in the UK was “inevitable”.

X has not replied to the BBC’s requests for comment.

And isn’t it enlightening that the very fact Musk made an observation about ‘incompatibility’ was criticised rather than evaluated?

It seems pretty clear cut to me, if you use social media to encourage people the attack the police, or mosques or set fire to the locality then you will have to answer to somebody.

But as I asked earlier, if there’s no encouragement of violence, but actually using the platform for debate and perhaps even using as a gathering point for legitimate concerns, what is wrong with that?

All this talk of ‘false information’ needs to be caveated with the fact some people drew wrong conclusions, or were too quick to assimilate blame…quite frankly based on the probability of what had gone before.

"civil war" started by a few hundred toothless wetherspoons customers

It was only a few weeks ago Bangladeshis went on the rampage attacking the police….for what was going in in Bangladesh.
Before that I seem to recall 2 episodes of Somalis doing similar for stuff going on in Somalia.
Before that it was Jews getting grief for Gaza….

All seems to get conveniently overlooked

The bbc covering rioting in Belfast….

Assistant Chief Constable Melanie Jones told BBC's Good Morning Ulster programme the batons had "a calming effect".

Are batons not truncheons over in that funny land?

Boom shiny - Call Me A Spaceman

The PSNI has said officers came under sustained attack, and at one stage petrol was poured over a police Land Rover and set alight.

Police deployed two plastic bullets, with one rioter struck on the hand.

A 15-year-old boy was arrested on suspicion of riotous behaviour

rte.ie/news/2024/0806/1463578-belfast-unrest/

two plastic bullets, -
20,000 plastic bullets , tear-gas, tasers, water cannons , raids  & long prison time
Or kids your a$$ goodbye

Of ki$$- your a$$
Goodbye

Was only a matter of time 

live rounds for after

https://x.com/JamieJones77/status/1820687572303057061?s=19

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Looks like British are still very racist
youtube.com/watch?v=xzCEdSKMkdU

Teddy Swims - Lose Control

youtube.com/watch?v=BZORu7EkpyM

independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/girl-belfast-adult-chant-far-right-protest-b2591384.html
children should not be “exposed” to “far-right thuggery” and rioters doing Nazi salutes as she condemned parents taking children “to riot and commit violence”
British values

Paramilitaries are suspected to have been an “element” in the latest disorder in Belfast.
Ya have then a free pass
Collision

You real what you sow

Now girls either you crush or ....

August 6, 2024 6:01 PM BST.
Predictive still sucks

ya gave them a free pass

You reap what you sow

Sometimes a cull-is what's needed , your bullsh1t  still stinks .
youtube.com/watch?v=GAOiX_CG2vA

"Bangladeshis went on a rampage attacking the police..."

Some UK immigrants do have form. They have had loads of practise in their home countries.

. Asylum!
MPs told to take safety precautions as riots violence spreads
Bless

1986: Printers and police clash in Wapping

Eight police officers have been injured and 58 people arrested in the worst outbreak of violence yet outside the News International printing plant in Wapping, east London.

One officer, a 27-year-old sergeant, was taken to hospital with head injuries.

Police estimated 5,000 demonstrators gathered near the printing works for a mass demonstration.

Similar mass protests have taken place regularly outside the Wapping plant ever since the start of a strike three weeks ago over new working conditions and the move from Fleet Street to cheaper premises in East London.

Full circle it would seem

The writing was on the wall -
youtube.com/watch?v=b5aJ-57_YsQ

More top tips for uk
Irish minister said she had been working with the attorney general and her team to bring forward proposals on banning mask-wearing at protests, adding that she wanted the legislation to be implemented in the new term as soon as possible.
nobody should be able to intimidate without being identified
Long covid- Future - Mask Off

Tánaiste Micheál Martin who, in referencing recent unrest in Britain and Northern Ireland, said that he believed that X and its owner Elon Musk were problematic

Ms McEntee said she that social media companies and platforms have a lot to answer for.
More fines!!!serious penalties imposed

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