LABOUR WITH LESS VOTES THAN 2019

did you complain in 2019, 2017, 2015?
Have you campaigned against FPTP?
I don't think it is the best system but a bit late to complain now.

The real winner is the WEF

suck it up

A Starmer government probably the best for the majority of people in the uk.
However with a 1/3 of a 3/5 turnout means that of those eligible 1/5 voted lab, so 4/5 were not convinced.
Fingers crossed for the next few years but you can’t keep all of the people all of the time.
As I think it’s been said it was a punishment beating for the tories.

Even in Starmers own constituency his vote change down was stark.

Currently Labour have roughly as many popular votes as John Majors Govt in 1997.

Lib Dems barely 2/3rds of what Ashdown got in 97 and they will get 25 seats more.

Corbyn 2017	12,877,918
Corbyn 2019	10,269,051
Starmer 2024	9,650,254

Proportional Representation is the only fair and democratic voting system
Then you dont get the pathetic tactical voting where people vote for a party they dont actually support and then moan about the government they voted for

those numbers can't be right.

why so, North?

do they have a big batch of votes still to come in

it is academic though as that is the system. If you don't like it campaign against it.
I'm all for PR

lot of people tactically voted, if had pr  these people would vote for party of chocie.

I was just, unsuccessfully, expressing surprise tobermory (btw I'm going to Tobermory on Sunday)
It seems a lot of disgruntled tories maybe just stayed home.

FPTP is serving us well. Can you imagine after 14 years of disastrous incompetence we had to see Little Rich ie and Lying Farage meeting to thrash out Cabinet appointments.

PR might be a disaster for the country

PR would take time to establish. Unfortunately we have combat politics where it is all about winning
and actually doing the best thing for the country is an afterthought. I believe there was a time when
ruling parties had cabinet members from other parties based on their expertise. Imagine that?

Just look at the share of the vote. Little Rich ie and Farage could be trying to form a Government now!

you mean having a massive majority government with a minority of the vote so not representing the british electorate

So you are putting up FPTP as a success based on the wonderful government we've had over the last few years

Whisperingdeath • July 5, 2024 11:20 AM BST
Just look at the share of the vote. Little Rich ie and Farage could be trying to form a Government now!

Utter rubbish its down to the majority party to form the government i.e Labour

No it’s not!

The King decides firstly who he thinks can form a Government.

You are the one who does not know what he is talking about. Under a PR system Starmer would have less that 40%of the vote that is less than the Conservatives and Reform.

so the King would pick minority parties to form a minority government - honestly!!

I think the lib dems and the greens might have a say

Under PR Labour would form a coalition with the Lib Dems and Jeremy Corbyn.

In a usual PR system, the party with the most votes is tasked first with finding a majority in the new parliament. So Labour would be tasked with forming a coalition with whoever they can envision governing with. If they failed at that, then the next best party would get the opportunity to show that they are able to form a majority.

You don’t have a clue do you?

In 2010 Gordon Brown could also have put together a coalition Government. If he had tgd support of the Liberals the Queen might have asked him to try and form a Government. How do you think Cameron could have governed without the Liberals?

thats right the majority government gets the first chance - the king doesnt decide
Brown didnt want to govern in 2010 Starmer does

The great “ Patriots “ of the country do not know their history and system if Government edy, particularly Farage’s idiot followers.

Minority governments are principally possible in PR systems. Not entirely uncommon in some European countries, e.g. Sweden.

Rubbish

You don’t know your history or system of Government

You are making it up as you go on. Keep talking and let everyone know

Personally I think the d’honte method is the fairest.
It was used successfully in the EU elections in 2010s.
The negative is it could mean an election every other year as coalition governments can implode very quickly
like in Italy.

Edy

Do yoh gave any Deutschmarks on Germany tonight? Could be a cracker with the Germans winning in penalties? I think Spain are strong but we never right off the Germans in this country!

Jul 5, 2024 -- 11:08AM, Whisperingdeath wrote:

FPTP is serving us well. Can you imagine after 14 years of disastrous incompetence we had to see Little Rich ie and Lying Farage meeting to thrash out Cabinet appointments.PR might be a disaster for the country

How would 38% of the vote have given those two parties a majority in parliament?

No Deutschmarks on ze Germans.

They are Edy - minority governments will put forward a programme and then negotiate with other parties to get legislation through

I suppose one of the accusations against PR is there is a lot of dealing done behind closed doors

PR requires consensus politics, yeah.

Usually. Of course it is still possible in a PR system for a party to have an absolute majority.

Edy technically they could do deals with the Libtards

There are many ambitious men who want some of the action in the gravy train. These people will sell their souls. Look at Netanyahu and his extremist coalition and what the people of Israel want. Netanyahu is prolonging the war to keep out of jail!

C’mon edy

They have a good chance in tournament football

Spain are fantastic though

Yes, they could do deals with the LibDems, but that's not a given. Someone would have to show they can command a majority before forming the government. I agree with Dotchinite that this would this year likelier have been Labour + LibDems for a minority government (unless your hypothetical PR system had a % hurdle, with which Labour+LibDemsn might have had a majority together) than a Tories+Reform+LibDems government.

Though at the end it is all highly speculative as the votes shares would have looked different in a PR system.

The king takes his lead from Parliament.

Sunak has resigned, he was pm.

He could have battled on but Starmer would have called
a vote of no confidence and ousted him.

If we had pr then again it would be same after
an election.

The old pm would stay in office until a new
government emerged that could demonstrate it had
50% +1 vote in Parliament.

If that couldn't happen because of differences then
the old pm would get first crack at forming minority
government, if he doesn't fancy it then he resigns
and leader of 2nd party gets a crack.

If nobody fancies it then a new election is called

The king has feck all to do with it.

Parliament is boss in uk, Charlie has a rubber stamp.

yes the vote shares would have been different and actually represented how people wanted to vote

Of course the King takes his lead from Parliament that’s  why he invited Cameron to form a Government but if Brown had dun a deal with the Libtards he could have remained as Prime Minister

Whisperingdeath • July 5, 2024 11:29 AM BST
No it’s not!

The King decides firstly who he thinks can form a Government

Go back to Victoria and learn

Cleggy chose Cameron over Brown, Labour tried to get
Clegg to do a deal by getting rid of Brown and offering
coalition with a different leader.

Clegg stuck with Cameron.

But whichever side had Clegg held a majority so would
have formed government.

Clegg forgot that most of his votes came from
left and so he and his party were punished by
electorate.

It's doubtful lib dems again choose to form coalition,
and in future have an informal agreement with
largest party, so they can build their fragile base
of discontents.

Next election must be all to play for already with
left wing hitting Starmer and right wing the tories.

Hence why Starmer needs to keep tories and refuk divided.

Whisperingdeath • July 5, 2024 11:58 AM BST
Of course the King takes his lead from Parliament that’s  why he invited Cameron to form a Government but if Brown had dun a deal with the Libtards he could have remained as Prime Minister

iirc Brown had first go at forming a government, but the lib dems weren't offering support, so he had to resign and advise the queen to ask Cameron to try to form a government. He could of course have lied like theresa may and said he had support agreed (in her case with the ulster lunatics).

Change

What us going to change?

You called it edy, no Germans in ze Euros.