PIP - Who is proposing vouchers instead of Cash?

The big crash is coming

Cracking idea.
So much of our money being spaffed up the wall.
Food vouchers, energy vouchers and mebbe some warm clothing and bed linen vouchers seems very practical to me.

Such a good idea perhaps they should extend it to wages, stop them pi ssing it up the wall?

The cashless society is just around the corner.

Yes this act will have people turning off their internet subscriptions. Cracking idea!

Throw your mobiles away.

Jun 30, 2024 -- 11:42AM, metro john wrote:

Throw your mobiles away.

...and I gain what from doing that?

Spot on there Metro.

PIP payments are to help people with their day to day living not for cigarretees, alcohol, mobile phones, internet subscriptions [get off on'es fat butt and visit the library if it's important to use t'internet, fast food, coffee shop subscriptions.

Might reduce food shoplifting

cue s could be slow. A good public shaming mind.

Jun 30, 2024 -- 11:48AM, edy wrote:

Jun 30, 2024 -- 11:42AM, metro john wrote:Throw your mobiles away....and I gain what from doing that?

Privacy and people spying on you!

They will use your information to track everything you do, they probably already doing that.

Vouchers like this tend to generate opportunities for hard working families to shop cheaper for groceries

metro john • June 30, 2024 12:12 PM BST
Privacy and people spying on you!

Ok, but I nonetheless think selling or at least gifting the phone away is more sensible. Or unlocking the bootloader, if possible, and installing one of the more privacy focused custom roms.

Do we throw our windows computers, TVs and video game consoles away as well?

AI is a spy and you are subscribing to it to be punished for you payments.

Jun 30, 2024 -- 12:14PM, edy wrote:

Vouchers like this tend to generate opportunities for hard working families to shop cheaper for groceriesmetro john • June 30, 2024 12:12 PM BSTPrivacy and people spying on you!Ok, but I nonetheless think selling or at least gifting the phone away is more sensible. Or unlocking the bootloader, if possible, and installing one of the more privacy focused custom roms.Do we throw our windows computers, TVs and video game consoles away as well?

We lived without them before their invention, and  in my opinion people were more sociable and happy without them.

Having a mobile at your disposal to give you a reason not to interact with other people is a heaven sent.

That is not true, people talk less not more, your mobile is spying on you.

Yes, having a mobile phone so you have to talk less to other humans is the greatest thing about it.

If only there was some way of selling vouchers on ebay this wouldn't be a problem.

It is not just the cctv that is watching your every move, in fact your internet and mobile phones are telling them much more than that.

I'm so worried, I no longer use internet

Your winnings/losses are being monitored. By the TAXMAN more of that coming soon under REFORM for sure.

---you-have-to-laugh--- • June 30, 2024 12:21 PM BST
If only there was some way of selling vouchers on ebay this wouldn't be a problem.

If they aren't distributed via smartcards, someone should be sacked.

Jun 30, 2024 -- 12:23PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:

I'm so worried, I no longer use internet

We should be.

They can't monitor mine, I don't gamble and don't use Internet, nor
mobile phone.

Jun 30, 2024 -- 12:21PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:

If only there was some way of selling vouchers on ebay this wouldn't be a problem.

Exactly!

edy • June 30, 2024 12:14 PM BST
Vouchers like this tend to generate opportunities for hard working families to shop cheaper for groceries

Great opportunity to score these vouchers on a discount for hard working families.

dave1357 • June 30, 2024 12:24 PM BST
If they aren't distributed via smartcards, someone should be sacked.

If this is done it will replace the ebay route with more personal interaction again. In that the voucher holders will have to go shopping with the voucher interested. Win-win.

I just want to ask if anyone has heard any of the Political scum talk about doing this on TV?

If they intend doing it, it should be made public so you can choose which way you vote.

It's just some study.

We should be asking your leaders, it is a big issue and many may be using more tissues.

Taking a pip recipient shopping really would be win win

This is true genius edy, and big state forcing people
to help out.

This should wipe out the corner shop brigade.

Would a Keir Starmer led Labour government dare to target the sick and disabled first?

If you want to see a real benefits scandal you need only look at all the brand spanking new cars in the disabled parking bays at your local supermarket!

The Good Old Days!

Harsh nobby.

Never get your power chair on roof rack...

I love the plastic pig, hardly any traffic on the roads, people smiling, social, not in fear caused by the propaganda machine, click bait scum/Politicians, less tax a lot less tax no VAT on FOOD. They were the brilliant old days compared to now.

Jun 30, 2024 -- 1:44PM, SirNorbertClarke wrote:

If you want to see a real benefits scandal you need only look at all the brand spanking new cars in the disabled parking bays at your local supermarket!

Obviously, you aren't clear how the motability scheme operates.

I think asking people on minimum wage to pay income tax to fund people buying brand new cars on benefits is indefensible.

Jun 30, 2024 -- 1:58PM, SirNorbertClarke wrote:

I think asking people on minimum wage to pay income tax to fund people buying brand new cars on benefits is indefensible.

No one on PIP buys a car through the Motability scheme.

Obviously, you aren't clear how the motability scheme operates.

I'm always open to education

No one on PIP buys a car through the Motability scheme.

I never said they did. Read back.

SirNorbertClarke • June 30, 2024 1:58 PM BST
I think asking people on minimum wage to pay income tax to fund people buying brand new cars on benefits is indefensible.

Government insider trading is rife, especially for share trading companies like Blackrock who control the politicians. You know Arms trading is bigger news than having a bet? I hope you understand.

Norbert, you do understand that nobody buys a car through the scheme, as you surmised earlier?

The vat on one of them cars is more than the lowest 20%
of earners, combined, pay in income tax.

Some on here are blaming the sick and poor on minimum wage just like the elite like it. The truth is that people who post such **** think they are part of the elite, alas they are
Kidding themselves. YOU MUGS

Or would be if they bought it...

Okay technically they don't own the cars but they have exclusive use of them which is as good as owning it.

No technically about it, they do not own any vehicle.

No technically about it, they do not own any vehicle.

No they don't own the vehicle.

They just have exclusive use of it with servicing, insurance and breakdown cover included.

To me that is better than owning it!!!!!

What about Royalty SNC? we pay for ships, planes for their childrens education for garden parties, so their kids can get a Green card and leave these shores. WHAT MUGS WE ARE!

You clearly were under the impression that under the Motability scheme, folks owned their vehicle. No one does. The car is leased through Motability, which is a registered charity. The car is returned at the end of the lease period.

Should Royalty get vouchers?

You'd need a bigger printing press for royalty vouchers

And mps expenses

Metro John:
Some on here are blaming the sick and poor on minimum wage just like the elite like it. The truth is that people who post such **** think they are part of the elite, alas they are
Kidding themselves.

100% correct. In Ireland a few years back Leo Varadkar set up a phone line for the public to snitch on Welfare users getting anything they weren't entitled to.

No phone line for corporate criminality etc...Nah just a phone line for one low paid worker to snitch on another low paid worker.

No phone line to ring about the Govt spending 3.5billion (and running) on a childrens hospital etc..

Politicians are 5cum. Humanity needs to realise Govts are legalised mafia/shakedown merchants.

We could easily have high quality police and healthcare with no govt wasting money as a crooked middle men.
Not only that but nearly all are either directly involved or have enabled war crimes and murder abroad.

You clearly were under the impression that under the Motability scheme, folks owned their vehicle. No one does. The car is leased through Motability, which is a registered charity. The car is returned at the end of the lease period.



That is exactly the same deal as a personal contract purchase (PCP) which the vast majority of people use to buy cars from dealers.

Jun 30, 2024 -- 3:03PM, Racingqueen wrote:

Metro John:Some on here are blaming the sick and poor on minimum wage just like the elite like it. The truth is that people who post such **** think they are part of the elite, alas they areKidding themselves. 100% correct. In Ireland a few years back Leo Varadkar set up a phone line for the public to snitch on Welfare users getting anything they weren't entitled to.No phone line for corporate criminality etc...Nah just a phone line for one low paid worker to snitch on another low paid worker.No phone line to ring about the Govt spending 3.5billion (and running) on a childrens hospital etc..Politicians are 5cum. Humanity needs to realise Govts are legalised mafia/shakedown merchants.We could easily have high quality police and healthcare with no govt wasting money as a crooked middle men.Not only that but nearly all are either directly involved or have enabled war crimes and murder abroad.

100% agree Racingqueen.

What about Royalty SNC? we pay for ships, planes for their childrens education for garden parties,

Don't get me started. The Royal family should receive absolutely no public money and should pay all taxes the same as everyone else.

house of lords/commons food bill must be huge , many councils have food delivered daily on their meeting days also + expenses for travel on trains etc. These scroungers want to stop your benefits so they can carry on the expenses con.

Jun 30, 2024 -- 3:35PM, SirNorbertClarke wrote:

You clearly were under the impression that under the Motability scheme, folks owned their vehicle. No one does. The car is leased through Motability, which is a registered charity. The car is returned at the end of the lease period.That is exactly the same deal as a personal contract purchase (PCP) which the vast majority of people use to buy cars from dealers.

Except the car isn't bought under the Motability scheme.

Except the car isn't bought under the Motability scheme.


Neither is the car 'bought' under a PCP. It is leased.

So the car is never bought under either scheme.

Racingqueen • June 30, 2024 3:03 PM BST

100% correct. In Ireland a few years back Leo Varadkar set up a phone line for the public to snitch on Welfare users getting anything they weren't entitled to.

No phone line for corporate criminality etc...Nah just a phone line for one low paid worker to snitch on another low paid worker.

No phone line to ring about the Govt spending 3.5billion (and running) on a childrens hospital etc..

Politicians are 5cum. Humanity needs to realise Govts are legalised mafia/shakedown merchants.

We could easily have high quality police and healthcare with no govt wasting money as a crooked middle men.
Not only that but nearly all are either directly involved or have enabled war crimes and murder abroad.

There are of course ways to disclose corporate criminality as a whistleblower in the Republic of Ireland. E.g

https://www.opdc.ie or https://www.transparency.ie/helpline

So the car is never bought under either scheme.


Correct although after the PCP has come to an end the garage will offer the car for sale for a balloon payment.

The same can happen in the Motability Scheme but at the request of the user rather than the Motability charity.