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Me? It's a long shot but if Michael Fabricant gets the boot that would certainly put a smile on my face Happy

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By:
yak hunt
When: 27 Jun 24 12:39
I don't think that's a long shot at all. Jacob Rees Mogg for me, all that is rotten in the tory party.
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 27 Jun 24 12:46
I think universal delight if Rees-Mogg gets the boot will be measurable on the Richter scale Happy
By:
saddo
When: 27 Jun 24 18:55
Snake oil Sunak would be my fav.
By:
Foinavon
When: 27 Jun 24 19:12
Any of the "one nation" wets still standing, Damian Green or tobias Ellwood  for example.
By:
flat16
When: 27 Jun 24 19:15
Tobias and Damien wtf sound like a couple of lefties off the campus, which of course they are.
By:
lapsy pa
When: 27 Jun 24 19:25
Chris Phelps, i just don't like when he moves his mouth.
By:
Lampus
When: 27 Jun 24 19:29
Rees  Mogg
By:
casemoney
When: 27 Jun 24 20:07
There might be a couple of Surprise Labour Losers ,the Pally Rally mob will certainly Vote Workers over Labour
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 27 Jun 24 20:31
Ian levy, hopefully first of 200+
By:
edy
When: 27 Jun 24 20:49
On 22 March 2017, during a terrorist attack on Parliament, Ellwood gave mouth-to-mouth resuscitation and CPR to police officer Keith Palmer,[22] who later died of his injuries.[23] Ellwood was called a "hero" by those at Westminster and the press, as photos surfaced of him with blood on his face while he crouched over the body of the dying police officer.[23] Consequently, Ellwood received a lot of praise on social media for his actions,[24] as well as being promised an appointment to the Privy Council for his response in the attack.[25] Ellwood's appointment to the Privy Council was formally approved on 12 April 2017.[26]

Doesn't sound that "wet" to me.
By:
Lee Ho Fooks
When: 28 Jun 24 23:14
Partyists - Alex Sobel for me
By:
SirNorbertClarke
When: 29 Jun 24 08:05
You might disagree with his politics but no one can say Ellwood isn't a fantastic human being
By:
Cider
When: 29 Jun 24 09:25
By:
Cider
When: 29 Jun 24 09:36
It is quite possible for an individual to perform an apparent heroic act, and sell out to a brutal regime. Doing one very good thing that the situation dictated does not give you a free pass for the rest of your life.

Plus it's always good to look at the counter factual. An MP fully trained to deal with the fallout of open warfare stands by whilst a policeman bleeds out. Or, alternatively, he uses his thorough training to assist a dying man. There was only one option on the table for him at that time, really. I doubt any of us would know how we would react in that high stress scenario, but unlike us he was trained for it, and his training kicked in.
By:
Cider
When: 29 Jun 24 09:41
Analogous with picking your favourite sweet, but top of the shop, Caroline Nokes.
By:
xmoneyx
When: 29 Jun 24 10:25
new statesman latest poll on tory/reform

tory - 90 seats
reform - 7 seats
By:
A_T
When: 29 Jun 24 11:00
unfortunately i think sir christopher chope is safe
By:
Foinavon
When: 29 Jun 24 11:20
"Wets" are "one nation" Tories, edy, nothing to do with first aid training. Sir John Redwood has written about this subject in his blog.



Will One Nation Conservatism save the government?
JUNE 28, 2024

I see debate about disagreements within the Conservative party. It is true there have been important debates in recent years over lockdowns, money printing, migration levels, Brexit wins,  ways of controlling small boats, tax levels and other issues of great interest to voters.

It is also the case that over the last year those who wanted changes to economic and borders policies and to Brexit implementation did not challenge the leadership, put in letters or seek to undermine Ministers. There were discussions with Ministers who decided it was best to run a largely One Nation policy. Ministers  argued that the threat to the Conservative  party  came from Labour and Lib Dems  to the left so it was important to move in their direction. They wanted to improve relations with the EU, follow international law as interpreted by internationalists, follow Bank and OBR orthodoxy and regulate more against possible harms. Critics of these views accepted they had lost the internal argument and supported the leadership going into an election.

Self styled One Nation Conservatives have been very vocal in recent years, arguing that the Conservative party and government was correct to shift to the left to command more support. George Osborne from outside Parliament joined with Michael Gove inside to promote this.

In government both the current  Lord Chancellor and Attorney General have been insistent in taking an international lawyer’s view of Treaties  based often on a very debatable view of their impact. This has led to impediments to controlling borders and sorting out the EU’s role in Northern Ireland. Counter proposals by former Attorney Suella  Braverman and past Migration Minister Robert  Jenrick were turned down. The Home Secretary rejected the  idea of strengthening the law against legal challenges, favouring the One Nation approach.

The One Nation Chancellor has preserved the EU originated debt control, trusting OBR 5 year out numbers that are likely to be wrong to constrain the tax cuts needed for faster growth. He has implemented a conventional programme of fiscal consolidation claiming this is necessary to create stability.He rejected ideas of asking the Bank to control its bond losses, to speed restoring lost public sector productivity, and to cut nationalised industries losses. These spending cuts would have allowed cuts in  small business, self employed and income tax.

The One Nation Foreign Secretary has sought to please more overseas countries and international quangos. The U.K. has continued to negotiate at the World Health Organisation which is wanting to take powers over the NHS,when there was considerable opposition to ceding power. He  has shifted to the EU/Spanish view on Gibraltar  and has cosied up to  the EU and Ireland by building on the Windsor framework.

The government put through  various regulatory new laws which were supported by Labour. It abandoned wider ranging repeal and amendment of inherited EU law.

It means we will have a good test of the argument that the way for the Conservatives to win elections is to have plenty of One Nation representation around the Cabinet table and to follow consensus and internationalist policies on the economy, taxation, migration, regulation and our international relations.In a week’s time we will see if this approach did win more votes for Conservatives, or whether it left the Conservative vote too vulnerable to the Reform challenge based on their tougher approach to border control and based on a lower tax growth model.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 29 Jun 24 11:22
Idiots like redwood have destroyed tories

Thankfully.
By:
xmoneyx
When: 29 Jun 24 11:27
who's the short fat tory glasses always going on about Europe
By:
xmoneyx
When: 29 Jun 24 11:27
who's the short fat tory glasses always going on about Europe
By:
Foinavon
When: 29 Jun 24 11:31
My very own fool is sitting on my shoulder ready to reply as always. Laugh. If he knew anything about politics, he would know that Mr Redwood has remained a backbencher with little power to affect government policy since the tories were re-elected. The destruction of the tory party has come about through their policies and ignoring the wishes of their electorate made abundantly clear in the 2017 and 2019 general elections.
By:
Cider
When: 29 Jun 24 11:39
If it wasn't for the likes of Sir John, the country would most definitely have been punished with a third Xams lockdown. About 100 Tory dissenters against the grain, showing any backbone.

That's the ONLY disappointing aspect of the upcoming purge, a lot of the really good Tory MPs will be gone from parliament, not just decision making. Either opting to jump ship before it sinks, or drowning on Friday morning. Leaving mostly a handful of CCHQ wet wipes who'd struggle to operate a bingo hall.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 29 Jun 24 11:47
An idiot can't understand “idiots like redwood“

Remarkable thickness from foinirony
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 29 Jun 24 11:53
Mr bean/spock


https://youtu.be/WFP5MjUuzsg

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By:
edy
When: 29 Jun 24 11:54
As non-traditional Tory voters, would it really entice you to vote Tories instead of the original (Reform) if Tories got rid of their one nation platform?
By:
Foinavon
When: 29 Jun 24 11:55
Keep protesting, fool, the results of your foolery will be revealed over the next 5 to 10 years.
By:
edy
When: 29 Jun 24 11:56
Also given the mission statement of destroying the Conservatives altogether.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 29 Jun 24 11:58
who's the short fat tory glasses always going on about Europe

Penfold?


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Francois

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By:
yak hunt
When: 29 Jun 24 11:59

Jun 29, 2024 -- 5:27AM, xmoneyx wrote:


who's the short fat tory glasses always going on about Europe


Could you narrow it down a little please?

By:
Foinavon
When: 29 Jun 24 11:59
It won't happen edy, few if any trust to tories, their cover has been blown. Hopefully they will disappear down a memory hole and Reform will take over the mantle. Some wonder why the labour party have been such a feeble opposition, the truth is they have had little to oppose once "no deal" Brexit was off the table (as it always was).
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 29 Jun 24 11:59
Yet more foinirony, delicious

You idiots destroyed the tories and now destroying swivel
eyed loons via Hitler fans
By:
edy
When: 29 Jun 24 12:00
So....Tories would have nothing to gain from abandoning their centre-right wing.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 29 Jun 24 12:01
the truth is they have had little to oppose once "no deal" Brexit was off the table (as it always was).




Ha ha ha,
By:
edy
When: 29 Jun 24 12:02
#NoDealNoProblem (except if we had actually gone through with it)
By:
Foinavon
When: 29 Jun 24 12:02
You make as much sense as Biden, have you not taken your meds this morning?
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 29 Jun 24 12:03
It's your post, I'm laughing at, idiot
By:
edy
When: 29 Jun 24 12:04
The way Brexit was likened by some to a game of poker where you don't show your hands was tragic. As if the respective sides didn't employ bunches of analysts. There is no hiding hands in things like that.
By:
edy
When: 29 Jun 24 12:05
So a bluff becomes kind of easy to call.
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