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The behaviour of some England fans at Euro 2024 is under scrutiny after a number were filmed singing a controversial chant referencing German casualties in World War Two over the weekend.
So why does it still happen, will it continue to be sung and what can be done?
Despite an appeal by both British and German police for fans to refrain from doing so, BBC Sport witnessed the '10 German bombers' chant being sung in the German city Gelsenkirchen on the day of England’s opening match against Serbia on Sunday.
Then on Wednesday afternoon, BBC Sport filmed some England fans directing those chants at a group of passing Germany supporters in the centre of Frankfurt.
Over the last few days, we have asked some supporters how they felt about it.
“Just don’t do it,” said one. “There are so many more chants to have rather than that one. [The war] was, what, 80 years ago
So why does it still happen, will it continue to be sung and what can be done?
Despite an appeal by both British and German police for fans to refrain from doing so, BBC Sport witnessed the '10 German bombers' chant being sung in the German city Gelsenkirchen on the day of England’s opening match against Serbia on Sunday.
Then on Wednesday afternoon, BBC Sport filmed some England fans directing those chants at a group of passing Germany supporters in the centre of Frankfurt.
Over the last few days, we have asked some supporters how they felt about it.
“Just don’t do it,” said one. “There are so many more chants to have rather than that one. [The war] was, what, 80 years ago
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so it just gives you baby bunnies with four helicopter ears.
*sometimes
*sometimes
They dished up lectures explaining why they refused to show black people in a bad light, it was contrived, not pot luck.
The very fact it shoe horns black people into positions that don’t resonate with reality just shows their attempts at sterilising history into what they want it to have been.
Which itself is the very point made when I showed how google searches wouldn’t show couples that wernt mixed race versions.
And I suppose you believe there isn’t a quota of racially selecting candidates for roles in certain positions too?
The very fact it shoe horns black people into positions that don’t resonate with reality just shows their attempts at sterilising history into what they want it to have been.
Which itself is the very point made when I showed how google searches wouldn’t show couples that wernt mixed race versions.
And I suppose you believe there isn’t a quota of racially selecting candidates for roles in certain positions too?
dustybin • June 20, 2024 3:05 PM BST
They dished up lectures explaining why they refused to show black people in a bad light, it was contrived, not pot luck.
The very fact it shoe horns black people into positions that don’t resonate with reality just shows their attempts at sterilising history into what they want it to have been.
True, it very much whitewashes the incredibly racist past and crimes of the USA.
They dished up lectures explaining why they refused to show black people in a bad light, it was contrived, not pot luck.
The very fact it shoe horns black people into positions that don’t resonate with reality just shows their attempts at sterilising history into what they want it to have been.
True, it very much whitewashes the incredibly racist past and crimes of the USA.
"oh look, there were black founding fathers and black senators already this early too" instead of "Black people were enslaved and for the longest of times had near to no rights and representation".
So nefarious towards whitey.
So nefarious towards whitey.
"Woah, see? All the coolest universities always fairly allowed black people into them already way back in time. Take that you racist divide & conquerers that try to tell us black people used to be discriminated at point of enrollment to the point that they had to found own universities!"
And the extent of the whites that got enslaved and sent East doesn’t register in your world either does it?
Or that the crusades were a result of the oppression of an Islamic conquest that got turned back from its attempts at taking Europe.
All this one eyed view of history that sad sacks like you edy cling to.
Or that the crusades were a result of the oppression of an Islamic conquest that got turned back from its attempts at taking Europe.
All this one eyed view of history that sad sacks like you edy cling to.
So when Laurence Kraus and Richard Dawkins, bother lefties by nature denounce what the field of science are doing by racially profiling candidates for places in these university that doesn’t bother you?
* and insisting they produce letters that show a person’s activities to forward diversity being more important than merit.
The arab slave trade has very little relevance to black people in the USA having few rights for the longest of time.
Or that the crusades were a result of the oppression of an Islamic conquest that got turned back from its attempts at taking Europe.
What conquest specifically and why did is result in the need to take The Holy Land?
dustybin • June 20, 2024 3:16 PM BST
So when Laurence Kraus and Richard Dawkins, bother lefties by nature denounce what the field of science are doing by racially profiling candidates for places in these university that doesn’t bother you?
Not really. If I was to cheat you day after day after day after day after day for years and I gain a significant advantage in education, wealth, social standing etc. from it, would you deem it adequate for us to then one day go "I know I've cheated you for years and I got a proper huge disadvantage out of it over you, but....we buddies, right? My advantage is so big by now that I'm fine with not cheating anymore and we both playing fairly. No advantage given to me, no advantage given to you. Deal!"?
I have my doubts you'd be cool with that, given the consistent hissy fits you throw about being a victim as a presumably white straight male.
Or that the crusades were a result of the oppression of an Islamic conquest that got turned back from its attempts at taking Europe.
What conquest specifically and why did is result in the need to take The Holy Land?
dustybin • June 20, 2024 3:16 PM BST
So when Laurence Kraus and Richard Dawkins, bother lefties by nature denounce what the field of science are doing by racially profiling candidates for places in these university that doesn’t bother you?
Not really. If I was to cheat you day after day after day after day after day for years and I gain a significant advantage in education, wealth, social standing etc. from it, would you deem it adequate for us to then one day go "I know I've cheated you for years and I got a proper huge disadvantage out of it over you, but....we buddies, right? My advantage is so big by now that I'm fine with not cheating anymore and we both playing fairly. No advantage given to me, no advantage given to you. Deal!"?
I have my doubts you'd be cool with that, given the consistent hissy fits you throw about being a victim as a presumably white straight male.
No, I gather your inflated virtuous enabling self who is all too ready to label the ills of the past as all white cares less about proficiency than creating a future that’s all about mediocrity, when fields of science require the best available.
That I label all ills of the past as all white is the result of your desperation to imagine that everybody is being meanies to whitey.
How do you know those whites who did what you construe as naughty weren’t identifying as black people, just as the dead corpses of males are argued to be open as to what they might have been?
This whimsical future leaving facts behind.
This whimsical future leaving facts behind.
Can you please elaborate on "just as the dead corpses of males are argued to be open as to what they might have been?"?
Just as the insistence that all areas must be diverse rather than based on ability there is too arguments being made by the same people to question the validity of scientific facts of the people in history as to their sexual orientation and gender identities.
Jun 20, 2024 -- 4:04PM, dustybin wrote:
Just as the insistence that all areas must be diverse rather than based on ability there is too arguments being made by the same people to question the validity of scientific facts of the people in history as to their sexual orientation and gender identities.
Like?
Like this one?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birka_grave_Bj_581
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birka_grave_Bj_581
You think I either bother to look at any of your links, or store articles incase your limited knowledge asks me to refer to the cases I’ve read about in The Economist or other places?
Remember last time you wanted sources I’d read in such publications edy, when I left it and left it until I couldn’t be bothered with your lack of knowledge any more and dropped those 3 bomb articles on you and your only response was to mention I said I’d show you 4?
That’s how pathetic you are.
Remember last time you wanted sources I’d read in such publications edy, when I left it and left it until I couldn’t be bothered with your lack of knowledge any more and dropped those 3 bomb articles on you and your only response was to mention I said I’d show you 4?
That’s how pathetic you are.
No, I actually do not remember when your five year old self "dropped those 3 bomb articles" on me and my only response was to mention that you had said you'd show me four because that's not what happened.
https://community.betfair.com/politics/go/thread/view/94150/31764323/pride-flags-in-london?post_id=562341303
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https://community.betfair.com/politics/go/thread/view/94150/31764323/pride-flags-in-london?post_id=562341303
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With a memory so shoddy for whatever reason, maybe do research first, dustybin.
Only response in reference to the facts given you, the points you were attempting to argue that fell flat.
Ofc, not literally, because all you ever do is post drivel, so yes, you might well have continued to post drivel Mr.Tincan man.
Ofc, not literally, because all you ever do is post drivel, so yes, you might well have continued to post drivel Mr.Tincan man.
I see to recall you thinking you were some authority on what happened on campus etc
Until you were given the evidence and you vanished inside your shell like a snail.
Until you were given the evidence and you vanished inside your shell like a snail.
Boring rhetoric. ‘Straw man’ what a tool you are, didn’t you know that’s yesterday’s borefest response?
Some people who like to announce how cool and winnery they are, do have a tendency to drop some serious bomb articles to own their strawmen.
It's only yesterday's borefest response to those that like to own their own strawmen because they tend to not have the intellectual capability and knowledge to refute the points actually presented.
Yeah, like when you tried to ask a question that had no value at all to it, I ignored it as such
Then with your wittering I asked you what your point was and you didn’t know
Haha
What a ponce
Then with your wittering I asked you what your point was and you didn’t know
Haha
What a ponce
Yes, that will totally be an accurate summary just like your previous one.
I assume you very coincidentally are not able to link the thread in which that total ownage by you happened?
On your copies of what everyone said for usage for when you want to cross reference to get a response you mean?
Why would I bother I put you back in your box.
Why would I bother I put you back in your box.
Yes, and people that are very eager to announce to the world how much they own everyone would of course never make such a thing up. Natural winners with bundles of real confidence like you have no need for that.
SirNorbertClarke 20 Jun 24 08:38
Almost as bad as Irish racists singing Rebel songs about killing innocent English men, women and children.
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The hypocrisy seems to have eluded old iris.
Almost as bad as Irish racists singing Rebel songs about killing innocent English men, women and children.
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The hypocrisy seems to have eluded old iris.
Love this place.
Thread aimed at laughing at leftie snowflakes easily offended by stuff see the biggest right whinge hissy fit over Star Wars ffs.
These people must spend hours ironing the cringes out of their skin.
Thread aimed at laughing at leftie snowflakes easily offended by stuff see the biggest right whinge hissy fit over Star Wars ffs.
These people must spend hours ironing the cringes out of their skin.
Since when was complaining righteously a hissy fit?
When you sprawl off topic, create the most minor thing to be so obsessively and performatively upset about (can now add Star Wars to Doctor Who in the top 5 of problems facing this country), namecall anyone who disagrees with you, keep going on an on for hours rather than just saying your piece...
Lots of real problems around. Oh for the good fortune to be able to forget all that and be glued to youtube berks telling me how evil a kid's film is. Sweet jesus lads. Maybe pause for a moment and re-consider how you're spending your time?
Keeps the rest of us amused though so it's not all bad.
Lots of real problems around. Oh for the good fortune to be able to forget all that and be glued to youtube berks telling me how evil a kid's film is. Sweet jesus lads. Maybe pause for a moment and re-consider how you're spending your time?
Keeps the rest of us amused though so it's not all bad.
Do black lesbian witches in science fiction soap operas also individually suppress you, Ronald?
And do you also switch TV channels, or at least cover your eyes, if your ronnysenses tell you the horror of horrors - a same sex kiss - might be approaching?
Would you consider me oppressed if I identified as a black lesbian witch?
I will answer that after you stop being terribly rude, typical leftist at heart, and actually answer mine.
Ever more evidence that the wannabe right wingers and wannabe conservatives are just trying to ruin any and all values.
I see, though it sounds like a bit of a cop out answer.
Absolutely would you be oppressed if you idenfified as a black lesbian witch. There simply is discrimination in our societies still towards people that are black (though less if they are trans black), towards people that are transsexual (especially trans women) and also against witches.
Ronaldmcdonald • June 21, 2024 10:18 AM BST
I don't own a TV.
Do black lesbian witches in science fiction soap operas also individually suppress you, Ronald? Irregardless of whether you watch them on a TV or on any other device that plays videos.
And do you also switch the video, or at least cover your eyes, if your ronnysenses tell you the horror of horrors - a same sex kiss - might be approaching?
Absolutely would you be oppressed if you idenfified as a black lesbian witch. There simply is discrimination in our societies still towards people that are black (though less if they are trans black), towards people that are transsexual (especially trans women) and also against witches.
Ronaldmcdonald • June 21, 2024 10:18 AM BST
I don't own a TV.
Do black lesbian witches in science fiction soap operas also individually suppress you, Ronald? Irregardless of whether you watch them on a TV or on any other device that plays videos.
And do you also switch the video, or at least cover your eyes, if your ronnysenses tell you the horror of horrors - a same sex kiss - might be approaching?
There simply is discrimination in our societies still towards people that are black (though less if they are trans black), towards people that are transsexual (especially trans women) and also against witches.
Oh, and homosexual of course is another thing that some total weirdos still view with suspicion as well. I know a member on this very forum, in the year 2024 (!), found it funny to harrass another forum member by consistently modifying their name with a "homo". Can you believe that in the year 2024?
Oh, and homosexual of course is another thing that some total weirdos still view with suspicion as well. I know a member on this very forum, in the year 2024 (!), found it funny to harrass another forum member by consistently modifying their name with a "homo". Can you believe that in the year 2024?
Speaking as someone who identifies as a black lesbian witch, I really feel that is you edy, and people of your ilk who are oppressing me.
What would you like me personally to improve in my behaviour towards you?
I did make sure to mock the guy who is scared of witches. Both here and when he was scared during Eurovision Song Contest time.
You appear to have reduced me, and my fellow black lesbian witches, to nothing more than an identity to be used in your leftie identity politics power struggle. Whereas I believe I have a lot to offer as an individual.
Don't you feel more powerful when you have the excuse to sanctimoniously chastise honest punters for their violations of leftie pc rules?
Can't say since I have never in my life chastised honest punters for their violations of leftie pc rules.
Speaking as someone who identifies as a black lesbian witch I feel terribly exploited.
How come edy can say that word and I can't? More oppression I suppose.
In general, Betfair has multiple levels of users, each of which has its own privileges and censored words. If you have proven yourself over the years to be fair, responsible, level-headed and possessor of exemplary manners and control over yourself, you get promoted to the Platinum User level.
Weird you didn't know this as someone who has held a forum account for well over twenty years.
Weird you didn't know this as someone who has held a forum account for well over twenty years.
Speaking as someone who identifies as a black lesbian witch I have never felt so oppressed, isn't there something you can do edy? Organize a leftie march or something?
There is nothing I can do. Whether you get promoted to Platinum User is entirely down to your own behaviour.
Ok
Nobody reads the Bible more than me.
(shouldn't it be "more than I do"?)
Nobody reads the Bible more than me.
(shouldn't it be "more than I do"?)
As an expert native speaker, can you help me on the "me" vs. "I do" dilemma here, Ronald?
While you think, I can say some more very super sanctimonious things since you asked so nicely.
No one is more conservative than me.
No one respects women more than me.
There’s nobody that’s done so much for equality as I have.
There’s nobody who feels more strongly about women’s health issues.
I am the least racist person you’ll ever meet.
Nobody is better on humility than me.
No one is more conservative than me.
No one respects women more than me.
There’s nobody that’s done so much for equality as I have.
There’s nobody who feels more strongly about women’s health issues.
I am the least racist person you’ll ever meet.
Nobody is better on humility than me.
This is colloquially acceptable but not grammatically correct. "Me" is the object form, but after "than," the subject form "I" should be used. "No one reads the Bible more than I do." would be better.
Thanks! That is very cool to know. Especially the explanation adds real value and help me. In most occasions I have developed a decent sense of when to use me or I, but sometimes I'm still unsure.
Think delusional pop should read the thread again. The person who brings up other topics is the sad case edy, the tragic loser tin can collector who just wants somebody to talk to.
He’s nuts deep in all the newly invented whimsy hoping his category will one day become an identity as special.
Alas, they still havnt reached that low rung yet.
He’s nuts deep in all the newly invented whimsy hoping his category will one day become an identity as special.
Alas, they still havnt reached that low rung yet.
Why does you regularly being on about everybody being terrible meanies towards "whitey" or about "T-H-E-Y are forcing gayness down our throats" not count as newly invented whimsy?
Sorry, you are right. That's not newly invented whimsy indeed. It's newly invented wimpy.
The staccato responses continue. Non of them having any value, questions and challenges by a sad man.
The real question should be exactly how low would his rationale go? Would it have no regulated safeguards at all, literally nothing dreamed up would be its own vindication?
Already denial of clear conditioning by the acolytes is justified, and the most racist agenda implemented in the form of being ‘anti racist’ is accepted.
A generation of kids being told the most important achievement of their lives is the choosing of which badge they wear.
All personal responsibility gone, just a prescribed identity, kids entering school in nappies and with no communication skills as the state are given responsibility to shape the drone.
The real question should be exactly how low would his rationale go? Would it have no regulated safeguards at all, literally nothing dreamed up would be its own vindication?
Already denial of clear conditioning by the acolytes is justified, and the most racist agenda implemented in the form of being ‘anti racist’ is accepted.
A generation of kids being told the most important achievement of their lives is the choosing of which badge they wear.
All personal responsibility gone, just a prescribed identity, kids entering school in nappies and with no communication skills as the state are given responsibility to shape the drone.
Just because you don't know the answer to something due to you having very minimal own thinking capabilities and others not having pre-chowed it for you, does not disqualify something from having value.
There seems a competition of how silly a suggestion can get and the words used to express a nonsense.
My personal fave atm is the ‘revert’ used in place of ‘convert’ to a religion, as used by those who try and believe they were a certain religion in the womb
My personal fave atm is the ‘revert’ used in place of ‘convert’ to a religion, as used by those who try and believe they were a certain religion in the womb
Seriously, mate, why does you regularly being on about everybody being terrible meanies towards "whitey" or about "T-H-E-Y are forcing gayness down our throats" not count as newly invented wimpy?
There is apparently nefarious plot overload against you all over the place.
It’s not against me edy, I have never relied on the state, I stopped working for others decades ago there is nothing that the loons could come up with that will interfere with me.
And no, I don’t watch dr.who or any of the new offshoots of Star Wars that are seemingly repelling so many invested in somebody else’s work before it was turned into a vehicle of name checking every minority cause first and foremost.
And no, I don’t watch dr.who or any of the new offshoots of Star Wars that are seemingly repelling so many invested in somebody else’s work before it was turned into a vehicle of name checking every minority cause first and foremost.
Some say they are reverting to paganism because they are reverting to an ancient practice.
Oh, you get all enraged about the ultra nefarious plots on the behalf of others, dustybin?
More pointless drivel from edy like the kid with nothing to say who just makes a noise so others acknowledge his existence.
But if it isn't about or against you, then you must be getting all mad on the behalf of others all the time.
Sorry, but I really fail to understand how that explains what I am overlooking in my assessment that you are getting all mad and offended on the behalf of others if it isn't, as you said, not against you.
While, I might indeed be needy btw, I think someone who continuously makes sure to announce what a "winner" they themselves are or how much of an "irrelevance" the others generally are, could potentially also have some rather deep-rooted psychological problems and personality disorders. Just potentially. Not a trained expert in the field after all.
It’s about values ffs.
You have non and would scrape the barrel to feel ‘included’ and spend all your time attempting to get acknowledgment being the lacky for somebody else’s agenda.
You are so boring and pointless that’s me away, you continue talking to your needy self
You have non and would scrape the barrel to feel ‘included’ and spend all your time attempting to get acknowledgment being the lacky for somebody else’s agenda.
You are so boring and pointless that’s me away, you continue talking to your needy self
You sure show off your values of civility when you go from one expletive to the other on your average day. You've been remarkably restrained today though.
Also, given what we just found out about you getting all enraged on the behalf of others all the time, do you honestly feel it's appropriate to accuse me of being the "lacky [sic] for somebody else’s agenda"?
Speaking as someone who identifies as a black lesbian witch, I think it is a huge problem for punters to be woke. They all end up losing the farm because they believe things that are not true. For instance, if there was a market on whether Lia Thomas gets pregnant in the next couple of years the woke punters would consider backing it. If the odds were good enough they would see it as value. That's how the woke mind virus gets them.
Wow, you so super woke that you use the name Thomas adopted instead of the given name and you also don't misgender. You slipping up like that are how people idenfity that you really are a leftist at heart that is merely having fun on here by parodying the very dumbest alt cringer you can imagine.
It's not ok on two counts.
It's not ok for grown ups to stand in the city centre of a country their grandfathers have bombed to ****, wobble their arms and revel in the loss of life in the country where they are guests.
Also, it is not ok for these men-children to take on the mantle of the achievements of their forefathers.
And a third, hitherto unforseen objection, is the look. People abroad will think all English emotional-pigmies on the autistic spectrum. I can see why dustybin is so engaged..
It's not ok for grown ups to stand in the city centre of a country their grandfathers have bombed to ****, wobble their arms and revel in the loss of life in the country where they are guests.
Also, it is not ok for these men-children to take on the mantle of the achievements of their forefathers.
And a third, hitherto unforseen objection, is the look. People abroad will think all English emotional-pigmies on the autistic spectrum. I can see why dustybin is so engaged..
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13551281/German-pensioner-water-drunk-England-fans-urinating-Frankfurt-Denmark.html
Would never happen from Scots. They've been all around amazing guests.
Would never happen from Scots. They've been all around amazing guests.
Can't even have away fans at old firm games currently..so not sure they've nailed it entirely..though I guess most Celtic don't support Scotland..
England away are largely very well behaved these days and often when there are issues provoked due to old reputations if anything does kick off..
are we really getting upset by 10 German bomber songs...I wouldn't endorse it but in reality unless aimed directly and therefore provocatively I've heard a lot worse...
England away are largely very well behaved these days and often when there are issues provoked due to old reputations if anything does kick off..
are we really getting upset by 10 German bomber songs...I wouldn't endorse it but in reality unless aimed directly and therefore provocatively I've heard a lot worse...
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