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(subtext, he isn't one of us)

There he goes again. Dog whistle politics.
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Report edy June 10, 2024 8:30 PM BST

Jun 10, 2024 -- 8:25PM, Reynard wrote:


I didn't say he wasn't 'really British' . Nor did I mention the colour of his skin because I don't see that as relevant .You are the one who is clearly obsessed with his race rather than his actions . The last person I heard use the phrase 'wet your pants and cry' was in the playground at infant school . Very childish comment .


If I may remind you of this from a fellow poster which you oversaw earlier, Reynard

PorcupineorPineapple • June 10, 2024 12:00 PM BST
What has he done culturally that isn't British please?

Report Mexico June 10, 2024 8:34 PM BST
Lol Ray

I didn't say he wasn't 'really British'
Clown.



No nothing racist about your comment…
“ Why should Sunak understand British culture ? I don't claim to understand Indian culture”


Go and burn a cross in your hooded white cape.
Notice that I didn’t say you were a racist member of the KKK , I just mentioned cross burning and clothing.


We know what you are.
Report lfc1971 June 10, 2024 8:36 PM BST
Must say Sunak does seem very British in his characteristics, he
even looks British
( that’s not to say he’s been an ideal pm )
Report edy June 10, 2024 8:39 PM BST
Is this British culture thing about not doing enough staged photos with a pint in his hands? Is that the secret to showing off you really understand British culture?
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- June 10, 2024 8:40 PM BST
Total bungler, colonel blimp, frank Spencer, citizen khan...
Report lfc1971 June 10, 2024 8:43 PM BST
Wouldn’t be surprised if he went on who do you think you are
they discovered British ancestry from the days of empire in India
Report Mexico June 10, 2024 8:46 PM BST
He hasn’t been good but him & Hunt did at least get a tiny bit of confidence back in the government after the Truss sh**show .

Really don’t know why he called this election now, he seemed very proud of his no smoking idea, could have at least got that over the line.

Tories may not get 100 seats, even an outside chance they won’t be 2nd party.
They would take 150 MPs as some fantastic “victory “.
The whole party is a mess which is a tad ironic as it was Downing St parties which started the decline.
Report lfc1971 June 10, 2024 8:49 PM BST
He just appears quintessentially British

Even when he was standing in the rain
And when he came home early from the Dunkirk ceremony
Report lfc1971 June 10, 2024 8:50 PM BST
I liked it when he stood in the rain
Report lfc1971 June 10, 2024 8:51 PM BST
Liked him .
Report edy June 10, 2024 8:51 PM BST
Heroically withstanding the elements like it's nothing sure is very British.
Report edy June 10, 2024 8:52 PM BST
In Britain we don't say "Gosh, the weather is bloody awful today"

We say "We are not made of sugar!"
Report lfc1971 June 10, 2024 8:53 PM BST
Grin
Report edy June 10, 2024 9:01 PM BST
I might or might not have somewhat stolen that from the man truly connecting Britain and Germany more than any other besides myself.

https://www.youtube.com/@liamcarps/shorts

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/G3jxScQcLQg

He also shows time after time through his YouTube shorts that one can truly understand the culture of a country even if someone's family does not have many generations of lineage there. Him only being a migrant even who only came over as an adult.
Report unitedbiscuits June 10, 2024 9:02 PM BST
No one with an ounce of human sympathy could fail to feel for Sunak in his BBC interview tonight.
All his allies have deserted. Where is Hunt? Mordaunt? Johnson?


The race for next leader is already on.

Full disclosure, I would love Nigel Farage to be next Conservative Party Leader because he never will be PM.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- June 10, 2024 9:19 PM BST
Irritable-bowel smith eying a comeback
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- June 10, 2024 9:39 PM BST
Little willy Hague dusted off the baseball
cap, and in training to do 15 pints a night, again.

These guys really get British culture, getting down
with the people
Report lux June 11, 2024 9:46 AM BST
edy

Or does it never cease to apply and all the English people that can only prove angles and saxon heritage, no celtic heritage, are indeed British by documentation only as well?

Mexico

Thanks your your delightful insight Lux.

And to think there will be people who believe you to be an uneducated racist bigot.

Silly me , I was looking forward to cheering on Saka & Bellingham next week. I was under the impression that England had a decent attacking team. Thanks for explaining it to me Lux, I had no idea that they were not English.

Southgate has made an error picking those just because they are good. He should have picked you .



Edy

An ethnic Brit for sure, of whatever stripe or combination. Strange point.

Mexico

Citizenship as distinct from ethnicity, one can be acquired, one is immutable. It’s not that difficult. Do I take it that should you, for example, have been born to White English parents in China then that would make you as “Chinese” as somebody whose ancestors had worked those lands for millennia?

Good luck answering honestly.
Report PorcupineorPineapple June 11, 2024 9:57 AM BST
At what point does a black or brown person become ethnically British? Ever?
Report edy June 11, 2024 10:11 AM BST
An ethnic Brit for sure, of whatever stripe or combination. Strange point.

It's not strange at all. The Celts are the real Britons. The angles and saxons were just invaders. Despite that, they are now ethnic Brits for you? That's good to know that your principles about Brit via documentation only eventually ceases to apply. Happy
Report Mexico June 11, 2024 10:19 AM BST
Lux
Keep digging that Aryan hole.

A relative worked out our family tree, apparently can trace it back to William the conqueror. Was impressed at first then found out it isn’t that unusual.


Obviously that means I’m French even though I have the paperwork to show I’m British.
I’m not even allowed to vote in the French elections.

Southgate is going to have a difficult time getting 11 players who are “really English”.
Report lux June 11, 2024 10:35 AM BST
Edy - both examples would reasonably be considered ethnic Brits. Clearly. Originating or growing on the land.

Mexico - Again, citizenship, ethnicity, two distinct concepts. Answer my question honestly you coward.
Report edy June 11, 2024 10:37 AM BST
What is "originating" on the land? Can't be born as that's the case for Sunak. Angles and Saxons only came over long after the celts. Why are they British?
Report edy June 11, 2024 10:37 AM BST
by more than via documentation
Report PorcupineorPineapple June 11, 2024 10:39 AM BST
@lux - At what point does a black or brown person become ethnically British? Ever?
Report lux June 11, 2024 10:44 AM BST
@PorcupinePineapple

At what point does a white person become ethnically Nigerian? Ever?
Report edy June 11, 2024 10:47 AM BST
I don't think Nigerian is its own ethnicity.
Report edy June 11, 2024 10:47 AM BST
As isn't British.
Report PorcupineorPineapple June 11, 2024 10:49 AM BST
lux - any chance of a straight answer?
Report edy June 11, 2024 10:51 AM BST
If some randomers like Saxons can grow into it then, surely others can as well if someone is a man of principles instead of applying them arbitrarily.
Report Mexico June 11, 2024 10:58 AM BST

Jun 11, 2024 -- 10:44AM, lux wrote:


@PorcupinePineappleAt what point does a white person become ethnically Nigerian? Ever?


Lux

At what point does an uneducated knuckle dragging racist become civilised? Ever?

Report PorcupineorPineapple June 11, 2024 11:01 AM BST
On a similar theme, what is an ethnic Israeli?
Report lux June 11, 2024 11:20 AM BST
umbrella terms  edy, plenty of subdivisions thereafter, obviously.

and yes, give it a millennia or so to build a society or civilization and your growing into observation could well be valid.


Mexico

Nice ad hom, right at the bottom of the stack. Your cognitive dissonance appears to be pushing you to the absolute brink. Laugh

So, coward, can you answer my question honestly or is your ontology, as I suspect, as weak as p***?




Porc, ethnicity is immutable, I’m not sure why this is such a struggle?

Ethnic Israeli? No idea, couldn’t care less.
Report PorcupineorPineapple June 11, 2024 11:24 AM BST
Immutable means not unalterable according to the OED


So are Angles and Saxons not ethnically British then?



And why are you so keen on discussing ethnically Chinese or Nigerian, but not ethnically Israeli or maybe ethnically South African, or even ethnically American?



Genuinely interested to understand how this is supposed to work.
Report PorcupineorPineapple June 11, 2024 11:28 AM BST
scrub the not from the first sentence obvs
Report PorcupineorPineapple June 11, 2024 11:29 AM BST
Is there such a thing as ethnically Russian?
Report Mexico June 11, 2024 11:32 AM BST
Knuckle dragger

What question do you want me to answer honestly?


Is the answer….

I honestly believe society would be better if you were in prison.
Report moisok June 11, 2024 11:33 AM BST
sunak has a nice house in the usa - will he be heading there after july with his wife's  millions
Report lux June 11, 2024 11:38 AM BST
Immutable means not unalterable according to the OED

So are Angles and Saxons not ethnically British then?[/i]

Sorry, I don't see how the 2nd sentence follows from the first? Angles and Saxons are reasonably seated underneath that umbrella term. Yes.


And why are you so keen on discussing ethnically Chinese or Nigerian, but not ethnically Israeli or maybe ethnically South African, or even ethnically American?

I'm not, they were random picks to highlight a clear distinction.



Genuinely interested to understand how this is supposed to work.
Report lux June 11, 2024 11:39 AM BST
Mexico

Citizenship as distinct from ethnicity, one can be acquired, one is immutable. It’s not that difficult. Do I take it that should you, for example, have been born to White English parents in China then that would make you as “Chinese” as somebody whose ancestors had worked those lands for millennia?

Good luck answering honestly.
Report edy June 11, 2024 11:40 AM BST
lux • June 11, 2024 11:20 AM BST
umbrella terms  edy, plenty of subdivisions thereafter, obviously.


Oh, umbrella terms like "human"? Happy
Report moisok June 11, 2024 11:40 AM BST
they have only FOUR homes - he certainly is part of our culture  NOT but then most, if not all, politicos mps etc are taking the p..s  even starmer is a millionaire
do you thing starmer will let new homes to be built on his nice little nest egg land in surrey? 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67058848?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=KA...
Report PorcupineorPineapple June 11, 2024 11:41 AM BST
So there is such a thing as ethnically British. It is immutable but only up to a point. Got it.


Gotta have a system.


Ok, let's do ethically American. Where does the immutability line get drawn.


And while we're at it, what's the difference between ethnically Swedish and ethnically Danish? How would you be able to tell them apart?
Report PorcupineorPineapple June 11, 2024 11:41 AM BST
ethnically*


ffs
Report moisok June 11, 2024 11:43 AM BST
media and tories working flat out to denigrate farage -the tories are scared of him ha ha!
Report Mexico June 11, 2024 11:45 AM BST
Kkk lux.

A simple fact for you to consider…

Sunak is British.



It’s not that difficult.
Report Mexico June 11, 2024 11:47 AM BST
I believe my ancestors came from the Rift valley.

So as well as being French , I’m also African.
No wonder Lux thinks I’m British.
Report lux June 11, 2024 11:53 AM BST
Oh, umbrella terms like "human"?

You got it Edy, we're all the same and diversity is a strength, concurrently. Happy
Report edy June 11, 2024 11:55 AM BST
Please, we all know Saxons are.......special.
Report moisok June 11, 2024 11:57 AM BST
now the left are attacking farage with rocks the real socialists in action!!??
Report lux June 11, 2024 12:05 PM BST
porc

An individual is the product of a distinct inter medley, for sure, but it would be taxonomically correct for that specific confluence to, reasonably, be situated underneath such a broader umbrella term.
Report edy June 11, 2024 12:13 PM BST
Why bang on about someone being "ethnically British" instead of British citizen?

Like, some ethnically anglo-saxon or celtic drunk, violent football hooligan with a history of trying to enter countries with fake papers embodies Britainness and British values of upstanding moral and behaviour much less than a Sunak surely.
Report PorcupineorPineapple June 11, 2024 12:16 PM BST
So how does ethnically American fit in your word salad?


What - ethnically - connects a native American to Donald Trump?
Report lux June 11, 2024 12:17 PM BST
Kkk lux.

A simple fact for you to consider…

Sunak is British.


It’s not that difficult.




Coward can't answer a simple question, as to do so honestly would blow his entire worldview apart. Laugh

Pitiful.


And yes, you correctly point out that Sunak is indeed British - as conferred via documentation only. Happy

And with that chestnut we turn full circle.Happy
Report PorcupineorPineapple June 11, 2024 12:19 PM BST
lux - what was your question to mex? Is it the one about ethnically Chinese?
Report Mexico June 11, 2024 12:20 PM BST
Kkk

What f***king question haven’t I answered?



Sunak is British.
You are being racist.

What questions are you wittering on about?
Report lux June 11, 2024 12:21 PM BST
lux11 Jun 24 11:39Joined: 06 May 04 | Topic/replies: 4,819 | Blogger: lux's blog
Mexico

Citizenship as distinct from ethnicity, one can be acquired, one is immutable. It’s not that difficult. Do I take it that should you, for example, have been born to White English parents in China then that would make you as “Chinese” as somebody whose ancestors had worked those lands for millennia?

Good luck answering honestly.
Report lfc1971 June 11, 2024 12:22 PM BST
America has been a culturally imperialist country,
at least until fairly recently ,, that was part of its remarkable success
There always has to be a dominant culture in any country
Report edy June 11, 2024 12:23 PM BST
There is surely more to Britainness than documentation and ethnicity. There is speaking The King's English, there is liking your tea with milk, the is playing cricket, there is being perennial losers all sports that more than the commonwealth plays, there is being upstanding human and exemplary manners which is synonymous with Britainness abroad. Being British really goes so far beyond the two binary things of ethnicity (which will often be mixed) and citizenship.

As I said, Sunak exudes Britishness so much more than your average football hooligan, even if the hooligan ethnically has more anglo-saxon in him than Sunak.
Report lux June 11, 2024 12:23 PM BST
lux11 Jun 24 09:46Joined: 06 May 04 | Topic/replies: 4,820 | Blogger: lux's blog

Mexico

Citizenship as distinct from ethnicity, one can be acquired, one is immutable. It’s not that difficult. Do I take it that should you, for example, have been born to White English parents in China then that would make you as “Chinese” as somebody whose ancestors had worked those lands for millennia?

Good luck answering honestly.
Report lfc1971 June 11, 2024 12:27 PM BST
It takes centuries of evolution in time and place
to be English,  it’s mainly evolution .. but the problem is
the modern world and mass immigration short circuits that
evolutionary process
Report lfc1971 June 11, 2024 12:28 PM BST
That’s dangerous and needs very careful choices
Report lux June 11, 2024 12:29 PM BST
pp


So how does ethnically American fit in your word salad?

What - ethnically - connects a native American to Donald Trump?



Can somebody be ethnically American? Not a term i'm familiar with.  Ethnically European for sure, Native American Indian, for sure.
Report Mexico June 11, 2024 12:30 PM BST
Lux

You are clearly a nasty racist who should be in prison.

I’ve already answered that Sunak is British.


Remember that we have already discussed that I’m a French African who is British.
Sunak is British.

He hasn’t just “been boor here” , like Boris in USA. Sunak has also gone to school here, worked here and paid a substantial amount of tax here. He is British.


I am more than happy that Sunak lives in this country, I have a bigger problem with uneducated racist knuckle dragging loons.
Report lfc1971 June 11, 2024 12:31 PM BST
Should be in prison Laugh
Report PorcupineorPineapple June 11, 2024 12:32 PM BST
Can you please tell me what the immutable ethnic characteristics are that connect someone whose family is from Beijing and someone from the Ngari Prefecture on the Indian border.



Is it simply that they happen to share being born in those man-made and completely changeable over time borders that make up what we currently know as China?
Report lfc1971 June 11, 2024 12:33 PM BST
Genetics and culture that’s what distinguishes people
and countries
Report PorcupineorPineapple June 11, 2024 12:35 PM BST
I mean, I'm not familiar with the term ethnically British. You get White British etc as ethnic terms from the census or other forms, but ethnically British? That's just not a things unless you visit some dodgy (for me) sites).

Is there a handy list of countries where you can be ethnically them?

And what is ethnically European? What are the immutable ethnic characteristics that connect someone from Reykjavik with someone from Ronda?
Report PorcupineorPineapple June 11, 2024 12:36 PM BST
oh good lfc's entered the arena


Hello sir. Can you tell me what differentiates genetically someone who is Swedish from someone Danish? Just so we can be sure the ethnicity. Cheers.
Report lfc1971 June 11, 2024 12:38 PM BST
Genetics and culture, that’s all
Sometimes London is more foreign to me than the deserts of Africa
Report lux June 11, 2024 12:40 PM BST
Lux

You are clearly a nasty racist who should be in prison.

I’ve already answered that Sunak is British.


Fantastic, thanks, shame it had absolutely nothing to do with the question i've repeatedly asked. Laugh



Remember that we have already discussed that I’m a French African who is British.


Well, at least that goes someway to explaining your incredible sense of entitlement and total disrespect.
Report edy June 11, 2024 12:40 PM BST
The Swedes and Norwegians always make fun of the way the Danes speak. Sad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-mOy8VUEBk

Indeed there has been research that the Danes don't really understand what even their fellow countrymen are saying. Which makes them develop the trait/ability to deduce from context much more than many other people.
Report lfc1971 June 11, 2024 12:41 PM BST
Don’t be afraid , any sensible person knows try as they might
they cannot really be Chinese .
Report lux June 11, 2024 12:45 PM BST
Mexico

I wonder, If I rocked up somewhere in Africa, 2nd, 3rd generation or whatever, and started lecturing those native to those lands on any aspect of what constitutes their ethnicity, or indeed any aspect of their governance,  would that be considered disrespectful? Mischief
Report lfc1971 June 11, 2024 12:51 PM BST
Of course everything is still evolving
The process hasn’t stopped just because we the English
think we’re perfect
Report lfc1971 June 11, 2024 12:54 PM BST
We got close, as near as damn it Grin
Report lux June 11, 2024 12:59 PM BST
pp

A point i've made previously, but all you really need do is acknowledge that outside the last 130 years or so most people never strayed more than 20 or 30 miles from their home.

it's inevitable that genetic clustering will have occurred.


Interesting, well worth a look...

https://peopleofthebritishisles.web.ox.ac.uk/population-genetics
Report lfc1971 June 11, 2024 1:05 PM BST
The secret lies within us, improvement of the race and country
and it’s unique qualities .. blond , brown , black , red hair
green, blue , brown eyes …how glorious
Report Mexico June 11, 2024 1:27 PM BST
Kkk

Remember that we have already discussed that I’m a French African who is British.
Well, at least that goes someway to explaining your incredible sense of entitlement and total disrespect.


There is a very good chance you are French African if you claim to be British. Does that explain your incredible sense of entitlement and total disrespect?

I believe my ancestors came from the Rift valley .


I have given you far more respect than an uneducated knuckle dragging racist should expect.

Sunak has given far more to this country than you, yet you wet your pants crying that he isn’t really British.
Report PorcupineorPineapple June 11, 2024 1:29 PM BST
So that study would have the immutable limit at four grandparents being born within 50 miles of each other. Interesting.
Report Mexico June 11, 2024 1:29 PM BST
Lol

A point i've made previously, but all you really need do is acknowledge that outside the last 130 years or so most people never strayed more than 20 or 30 miles from their home.

it's inevitable that genetic clustering will have occurred.



Yep just look at USA in 1890, everybody there was born locally as were their parents and grandparents.
Report PorcupineorPineapple June 11, 2024 1:31 PM BST
...and that, rather than there being an immutable British ethnicity, being British means being any kind of mix of European heritage.
Report lux June 11, 2024 1:32 PM BST
Mexico



Report lux June 11, 2024 1:34 PM BST
Yep just look at USA in 1890, everybody there was born locally as were their parents and grandparents.

Perhaps an outlier isn't representative of the mean?
Report lux June 11, 2024 1:36 PM BST
porc

at no point has an immutable British ethnicity been claimed by anyone on this thread other than you, an umbrella term for the umpteenth time.
Report lfc1971 June 11, 2024 1:36 PM BST
Now the scum are attacking Farage again Sad
Report Mexico June 11, 2024 1:49 PM BST
Lol lux

Spend hours posting racist nonsense then bursts into tears when somebody calls you out for being a racist.

Did you get hat triangle from your kkk lodge?


Oh poor little lux, always the victim….
You know what you are.
Report Mexico June 11, 2024 1:51 PM BST
Kkk

Yep just look at USA in 1890, everybody there was born locally as were their parents and grandparents.

Perhaps an outlier isn't representative of the mean?




Yep just look at Australia in 1890, everybody there was born locally as were their parents and grandparents.
Report edy June 11, 2024 1:54 PM BST
Please do not hypocritically complain about being labeled, lux. It is most unbritish.

lux • May 18, 2022 10:09 PM BST
ethnicity is immutable. can't fkin raise an ethnicity u ponce xx
Report edy June 11, 2024 1:58 PM BST
lux • May 18, 2022 10:44 PM BST
just bend over and assume the position u clown, do i give a fork about some fictional ukrainian 10 year old spaz?

fk all of em


You got more angry than I had remembered when I tried to have a conversation about us two lovebirds adopting an Ukrainian baby and whether you'd still be unable to love it even if I raised it in the most AngloGermanPommeranian way possible.

https://community.betfair.com/politics/go/thread/view/94150/31758091/interesting-point-from-douglas-murray

.
Report Mexico June 11, 2024 2:11 PM BST
Edy

I hope you are not suggesting that kkk was using “ad hominem” “name-calling “?
Report edy June 11, 2024 2:17 PM BST
Well, he did choose to refer to me as a ponce when he felt his belief bubble was being threatened. I think that does qualify.
Report Mexico June 11, 2024 2:27 PM BST
That is really poor form Edy.

I very much doubt Sunak would do that. Then again Sunak is British, he was born here, educated here, works & pays tax here.
Report edy June 11, 2024 2:41 PM BST
If Sunak unfathomably let something like that slip, he would without a doubt be quick to apologise. That's the British way. When some foreign sportsman says a bad word that is aired during the Wimbledon broadcast, the hosts and commentators always apologise enthusiastically for the next ten minutes.

Lux might potentially be anglo-saxon (in reality probably with lots else mixed in), but very British behave he does not apart from occasionally mixing up its and it's.
Report PorcupineorPineapple June 11, 2024 2:45 PM BST
porc

at no point has an immutable British ethnicity been claimed by anyone on this thread other than you, an umbrella term for the umpteenth time.



So do you agree that Sunak falls under this umbrella. If not, why not?
Report Whisperingdeath June 11, 2024 3:17 PM BST
I don't think it is very British to cower on your knees on an open top double decker bus when someone is throwing stuff at you 20 yards away. I might remind Frenchie Farage when on tour a younger Prince Charles stood up straight while a protester charged at him with what turned out to be only a startling pistol.

It is not British to hide Mr Farage!
Report edy June 11, 2024 3:20 PM BST
Boris Johnson begs to differ there, Whisperingdeath. Or wait....does Boris even count as British via more than documentation, lux?)
Report Whisperingdeath June 11, 2024 3:22 PM BST
Is Doris a Captain Kirk or a Septic Tank?

One thing he ain't is Churchillian.
Report sageform June 12, 2024 8:30 AM BST
Ethnicity is not the issue. Culture and values are and the traditional UK values are nearly all gone.
Report Whisperingdeath June 12, 2024 12:49 PM BST
Richie’s culture is homogenously British ruling class

Fcek the poor!
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