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Report edy June 9, 2024 5:59 PM BST
The Austrians never had to really cope with their past.
Report lfc1971 June 9, 2024 6:07 PM BST
Chancellors of Germany do have this tendency
to change the face of Europe .. they can’t help themselves ..
Report edy June 9, 2024 6:16 PM BST
Regarding Germany and some potentially slightly racist tendencies though.:

In preparation for the Euro champs one of the public broadcasters made a documentary. Anecdotally, the makers here and there came across wishes that the skin tones of the people in the national men's football team were less colourful. They then commisioned a poll where two of statements people would agree or disagree with were

Ich fände es besser, wenn wieder mehr weiße Spieler in der deutschen Nationalmannschaft spielen. (I'd like it better, if there were more white players in the German national team again)

and

Ich finde es schade, dass der derzeitige Kapitän der deutschen Fußballmannschaft türkische Wurzeln hat. (I regret that the captain of the German national team has turkish roots)

The first one found an agreement of 21% (47% among AfD voters, 38% among Wagenknecht voters for the second biggest proponents of more white people in the team)
The second one found an agreement of 17% (28% among AfD voters, but interestingly only 9% among the Wagenknecht ones, putting them behind CDU/CSU (19%) and SPD (15%))

There was a bit of controversy about the poll from Bild (Germany's more or less monopolistic tabloid), Nagelsmann and such. Although they seemed to be more concerned with the commission of the poll, or at least the timing of it being unfortunate and bringing attention to the wrong things so shortly ahead of the tournament, rather than the result that slightly more than a fifth of the asked were found to openly wish for a more white team.
Report lfc1971 June 9, 2024 6:23 PM BST
Sure , I think I’m turning Chinese
Report Mexico June 9, 2024 6:25 PM BST
Edy

Do people mind when some members of the German team don’t sing the National anthem, or just consider that it is their choice.

The Spanish have been refusing to sing along to their anthem for as long as I can remember & they don’t get any abuse.
Report edy June 9, 2024 6:37 PM BST
Yeah, there are sometimes some rumblings about that.I would assume some of those coming from the public were racially motivated when concerning especially Mesut Özil, but I also know that Paul Breitner back in 1971 was banned by either the coach or the DFB for two national team games when he voiced that singing the anthem hurts his concentration. So it's not exclusively about race. Or at least wasn't in the 1970s.

Didn't really deter that Beckenbauer, Vogts, Breitner et al. generation from doing the nation a great patriotic disservice by singing along to the anthem like this in 1974.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igNV4LLokOA
Report edy June 9, 2024 6:38 PM BST
Can't say anyting about the public reactions about the non-singing of the anthem in the 70s.
Report saddo June 9, 2024 6:42 PM BST
Some people can't or don't sing and feel embarrassed to be seen trying in front of millions.
I can't see why sportsmen and women should feel compelled to sing. Some will want to, some will not.
Report lfc1971 June 9, 2024 6:50 PM BST
Who wouldn’t want to sing the German national anthem ?
I would love to ,, they’ve dropped a verse of the British anthem
would love to sing it, can  remember learning it at school and scouts
back in the day
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- June 9, 2024 6:51 PM BST
Some get so excited and enthused about belting
out national anthem they are on a downer by kick off.

Horses for courses but, ffs, marginal gains...
Report casemoney June 9, 2024 6:57 PM BST
Far Right = Question Climate Change , Worried about too much Immigration
Report Racingqueen June 9, 2024 10:51 PM BST
Germany’s ZDF public television said German voters under 30 went in droves to the far right

Laugh
Report edy June 9, 2024 11:02 PM BST
ZDF website has

under 30s -> 17%
30-44 -> 20%
45-59 -> 18%
60+ -> 11%

of the respective age group give their vote to the AfD. This is for Germany as a whole. Will likely be lots higher in East Germany.
Report edy June 9, 2024 11:07 PM BST
https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/thema/europawahl-142.html

Somewhere among those slides.
Report thegiggilo June 10, 2024 2:11 AM BST
Neoliberalism leading to facists,who ever wouldv'e thought that?? As old as time history repeats,people need to suffer the connection between zionism and facism in Europe the connection has always been there even since the 1930s..The nazi collaboraters that now commit genocide,while Europe has been dumping immigrants in the Sahara,how utterly predictable,people need to suffer and suffer hard to realize that disaster capitalism leads to all roads of facism..
Report thegiggilo June 10, 2024 2:34 AM BST
Eyup Lovely
@eyuplovely
This is the most disgusting thing I have ever seen from a political figure.

A young girl described having to bundle blankets and wear a jumpsuit to bed because her family can't afford the heating or "treats" anymore, and Keir Starmer laughed and said his son loves his onesie.

https://x.com/eyuplovely/status/1799855277698605541


What a soulless dead eyed **** this man is,laughing away in neoliberalism absolutely incredible,just another contributor to facism..
Report thegiggilo June 10, 2024 2:48 AM BST
'[Geert] Wilders told an audience during the report that "We [in the West] are all Israel". He has also said "Israel is the West's first line of defence" against what he perceives to be a threat posed by Islam.'


Hand in hand..
Report sageform June 10, 2024 8:28 AM BST
So many versions of what being "right wing" means. Hitler led what was called a "Socialist" party but was an appalling racist. Not the same thing at all as trying to reduce taxes and welfare payments which is my version of being right leaning. I agree that the trends are worrying because of course angry people (who tend to vote right wing in Germany) can easily fall for another deranged zealot.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- June 10, 2024 8:32 AM BST
Kim Jong Un is Supreme Leader of the
Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Whatever you call yourself is not what you are.

Hitler sticking socialist in his party's name
still fools idiots who like to use it.

You'll be telling us Kim is a Democrat next

.... Waiting
Report lfc1971 June 10, 2024 8:39 AM BST
True, much the same as the so called liberal leftists
Report lfc1971 June 10, 2024 8:49 AM BST
N Korea is a left wing state ,, the farmers eg farm
for the state not the market. In this way we get left wing dictatorships
They go hand in hand . It was a similar mindset within Hitlers National Socialist Party
Report Racingqueen June 10, 2024 8:55 AM BST
Hitler was left wing

Economy: Spend spend spend
Religion: Hated the church
Immigration: We know how that ended
Report Reynard June 10, 2024 10:56 AM BST
casemoney • June 9, 2024 6:57 PM BST
Far Right = Question Climate Change , Worried about too much Immigration

Re-definition of 'Far Right' required and clarification of exactly what it is to be considered a 'Nazi' .
When I was being taught European History at school they were both essentially the same thing .

The only genuine Neo-Nazi state in Europe is being defended to the end by the so-called 'Liberal West' and the mainstream media are unquestioning in their obedience regarding this Sad
Report Reynard June 10, 2024 11:02 AM BST
Even the Met. Police are compliant in this exaggeration with Commissioner Mark Rowley last week describing a gathering of patriots of differing ethnic origins , some in wheelchairs or on mobility scooters as 'extreme right' and the media referred to them as 'football thugs' !
Whatever picture is being painted here is akin to some form of political abstract art Crazy
Report edy June 10, 2024 11:08 AM BST
Why is Ukraine apparently a genuine Neo-Nazi state and e.g. Russia is not?
Report edy June 10, 2024 11:10 AM BST
Putin even is a huge Hitler apologist as he blamed the Poles for having had been invaded by Hitler because they were so intransigent. He is a fan.
Report edy June 10, 2024 11:11 AM BST
Wagner is a neo-nazi organisation, as is Rusich.
Report Reynard June 10, 2024 11:13 AM BST
According to a Panorama documentary shown by the BBC in 2014 Ukraine were described as a Neo-Nazi state .
Russia's alleged **** election were arguably preferable to Ukraine's cancelled election .
If they are both Neo-Nazi states why pick a side and if one has to pick a side why the underdog ? Does the West love an underdog ?
Report Reynard June 10, 2024 11:13 AM BST
**** ffs !
Report Reynard June 10, 2024 11:14 AM BST
Rhymes with pigged ffs !!!!!
Report edy June 10, 2024 11:17 AM BST
Did they really call Ukraine a neo-nazi state or as a state with a neo-nazi problem? That is a huge difference.
Report edy June 10, 2024 11:18 AM BST
If they are both Neo-Nazi states why pick a side and if one has to pick a side why the underdog ?

Because Ukraine is not actually a neo-nazi state. I was just curious why you thought they were, while a country with actually a bigger neo-nazi element like Russia wasn't.
Report edy June 10, 2024 11:19 AM BST
Germany has a neo-Nazi problem, but I wouldn't go as far as saying we are a neo-nazi state.
Report Reynard June 10, 2024 11:21 AM BST
Ukraine was described as that on the BBC . I guess their agenda driven lies extend back beyond Covid Mischief
Report Reynard June 10, 2024 11:22 AM BST
I don't consider kids singing Germany for Germans en-masse as a neo-nazi problem but then again I ain't in Germany so what would I know ?
Report edy June 10, 2024 11:22 AM BST
Also, I find the thing with cancelled elections always a bit weird. Ukraine has about 20% of its territory occupied. Even if their constitution allowed elections, how are you going to do them safely?

Germany's constitution in the same situation doesn't allow elections either. The UK famously cancelled elections during world war II, and you guys didn't even have your territory occupied.

Reynard • June 10, 2024 11:21 AM BST
Ukraine was described as that on the BBC


Explicitly as a neo-nazi state instead of a state with a neo-nazi problem? Are you certain?
Report edy June 10, 2024 11:24 AM BST
For World War I you guys also seem to have skipped an election.
Report Foinavon June 10, 2024 11:25 AM BST
lfc1971
lfc197110 Jun 24 08:49Joined: 06 Nov 11 | Topic/replies: 78,990 | Blogger: lfc1971's blog
N Korea is a left wing state ,, the farmers eg farm
for the state not the market. In this way we get left wing dictatorships
They go hand in hand . It was a similar mindset within Hitlers National Socialist Party


Communism and fascism are, to borrow a phrase, two cheeks of the same arzt.
Report edy June 10, 2024 11:26 AM BST
Red and brown fascism.
Report edy June 10, 2024 11:26 AM BST
if we are talking soviets and Germany. Not sure what colour Mussolini was.
Report Reynard June 10, 2024 11:30 AM BST
No edy , I'm not certain but I CBA to go back and check . Either way it isn't what I would describe as a democracy in the true sense of the word .

I seem to recall something about the banning of religious services in Ukraine last year which would tie in with the neo-nazi bit but again I'm not certain so don't ask .
Report edy June 10, 2024 11:38 AM BST
They banned the church that works for the country that has invaded them. The church whose leader has baptised Russia's tanks so they can kill many Ukrainians successfully among other clear thinks that show they are very political and very much a tool of the Kremlin.

And again, Russia does it much worse and bigger in its occupied areas.
Report Foinavon June 10, 2024 11:40 AM BST
Mussolini was doing alright until power went to his head and he invaded Abyssinia. A few years later he went full on brown and linked up with the little Austrian.Sad
Report edy June 10, 2024 11:40 AM BST
And again, Russia does it much worse and bigger in its occupied areas.

As they seek to eliminate Ukrainian (and greek orthodox and everything non-Russian state orthodox really) in those areas.
Report edy June 10, 2024 11:40 AM BST
replace culture
Report edy June 10, 2024 11:43 AM BST
Do you consider it a neo-nazi thing to ban a church whose leader clearly works for the Kremlin and who prays for you to die, Reynard?
Report edy June 10, 2024 11:44 AM BST
You, your people, your culture, your entire country...
Report Reynard June 10, 2024 11:47 AM BST
Like I said I wasn't certain and now I have been corrected by the most informed and well researched individual on the forum I can breathe easier .
If somebody wishes me dead sufficiently to ask an imaginary entity to do it for them I think I can live with that . Well up until the point where their chosen entity turns out to be real and grants them their wish Scared
Report saddo June 10, 2024 11:53 AM BST
edy 10 Jun 24 11:44 
You, your people, your culture, your entire country...

........................

Since 2015 Europe has been replacing it's own population with many millions of such types.
Report edy June 10, 2024 11:57 AM BST
All the previous empires like the UK and France started much earlier.
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