Calling: Sir Charlie Global Boiler

Case

A few questions a 5 year old could answer, so you will probably struggle.

What does the word “global” mean?
What does “climate” mean?

Now the really difficult question….

What is the difference between “weather” and “climate “?

Another creative argument to feed the people shivering in June, It's too hot somewhere else'. They really have covered all bases propaganda wise.

We've gone from the ''hottest May on record'' to - don't mention June.

Jun 9, 2024 -- 1:18PM, saddo wrote:

Another creative argument to feed the people shivering in June, It's too hot somewhere else'. They really have covered all bases propaganda wise.

It is not at all creative. It has never to begin with been about every part of the planet in every month showing higher temperatures than in the same month a year prior. If you think otherwise, you have paid zero attention to even the most basic science behind it all.

If e.g. the heat transfer systems to (north western) Europe collapse, then Europe will again become quite a bit colder all the while the overall heat energy in the system earth continues to increase. The heat of course doesn't just vanish in that scenario. It simply doesn't get transported.to Europe.

The very creative version would indeed be: "Every place in every corner of the earth will always set temperature records"....and it would be torn apart very quickly because it's utter rubbish without a critical thought in sight.

Tropical regions aren't getting hotter though edy, how do you explain that?

We record min + max temps and rainfall on the farm ,in middle England ,this May was colder than the previous year.
Last night was proper cold (minimum) below 5 degrees C.
I appreciate one place is not "national averages" as stated by the BBC but then their credibility to me is 0%.
The activity of the gastropods and inactivity of the cucumbers ,more evidence , as they do not seem to carry such a huge leftie bias.

I take David Attenborough's word over the rest of us

Jun 9, 2024 -- 1:52PM, Foinavon wrote:

Tropical regions aren't getting hotter though edy, how do you explain that?

....but they are increasing?

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature

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Earth is estimated to be 4.54 billion years old

Since Records began is Equal to the blink of an Eyelid imo

Give it 200 years . it will be Global Freezing  on the Agenda

I don't get how they can measure the temperature of the entire planet. How do they do it? Do they use a special omnipresent thermometer?

They have lots of weather stations.

About 17,500

Surface area of earth
197 000 000 square miles

57,250,000 square miles of land

No, they prefer smoke and mirrors.

They not measuring land they are measuring the atmosphere. How can they measure the entire atmosphere which has a volume of 1.83×10^21 cubic feet without an omnipresent thermometer?

There are local variations in the tropics but practically nothing on the 30 year map (lower tenths of a degree Fahrenheit of all things to make it seem bigger). There are some white areas on the 47 year map and some cooler sea areas.

It's interesting that critical areas for sea-level rise (Antarctica and Greenland) appear to be cooling according to their data.

" I take David Attenboroughs word over the rest of us"
Few more should listen to him ,old and rich (can't be bought) as him implied Human population should be stabilised or reduced.
Some seem to think ,get pregnant as early as possible ,stay pregnant as long as possible ,each spawn is a miracle and pleases god ,WAC

Jun 9, 2024 -- 2:36PM, Foinavon wrote:

There are local variations in the tropics but practically nothing on the 30 year map (lower tenths of a degree Fahrenheit of all things to make it seem bigger). There are some white areas on the 47 year map and some cooler sea areas.It's interesting that critical areas for sea-level rise (Antarctica and Greenland) appear to be cooling according to their data.

The picture where it says "It's Official" in the top left corner is only 2023. It is not the trend for greenland and antarctica.

That as of now the equatorial area is warming less than other parts is not the same as them nor warming. It is entirely expected as one of the major forcing aspects as of now is reduction in ice area and the reduction in planetary albedo that goes along with it. This naturally does not happen near the equator.

If you find the blue areas misleading, edy, then the same logic applies to the brown areas. There are ways and means of calculating averages and as Ronald pointed out there are different datasets, how do we know whether or not they are cherry-picking as they do with computer models? I don't dispute that we are in a warming period which has existed since the last ice-age give or take a few blips but I don't think it's anything to get excited about or even if it's a bad thing.
As I've said before, we need to rejig our energy production and overall needs before the easily exploited reserves become exhausted and I think the political furore is designed to legitimise a reduction in consumption and expectations and an increase in costs before things become critical especially with oil and gas.

A lot of the data is public domain. Every hobby or aspiring scientist that sniffs a conspiracy of cherry picked data can plot these things with some basic knowledge in something like python.

Is that what you do or do you just accept everything you are fed by the media?

I don't sniff a conspiracy of cherry picked data in this aspect, so my personal plotting involves other things.

I like my chances in assuming that someone will have done it though.

....but if you do, there is nothing really limiting you from doing so. There is nothing limiting you or Ronald or anyone to "Oh, but what if it's cherry picked?" instead of reading the data into a pandas, xarray or whatever and then plot it. The data is there for people to use if they wish to.

And if they think they found something, it can then be discussed.

A lot of people have and you can find lots of books about it. There's bound to be some non-scientific junk but not a reason to dismiss them all.

Who is dismissing them all?

If the data is accurate why has it not been able to predict anything useful over the last 40 years? All they seem to be able to predict with these climate models is slight temperature increases. None of the the catastrophes they predicted to happen before now have ever materialised. The ice caps didn't freeze over Manhattan isn't underwater and the great lakes never dried up. They have been wrong on every catastrophe they have predicted but the climate communists still think they are right about the existential catastrophe that will end the world as we know it. Talk about crying wolf.

I don't suppose you have read them all, have you?

Of course I have not.

You are just making things up now (again), Ronald.

What accurate prediction has been made by climate models apart from small temperature increases?

Climate change.

Good after noon Sir Charlie

Good afternoon Case.

Jun 9, 2024 -- 4:12PM, Ronaldmcdonald wrote:

What accurate prediction has been made by climate models apart from small temperature increases?

What other accurate predictions did they pretend to make?

Have a look at that for the Middle of June , Will Aunty be reporting a 3 month Average as fooking Freezing ?

I doubt very much that the BBC will describe it in those terms.

The climate has always changed. So the climate models were able to predict the climate would change when we already knew it would change. That's about as useful as predicting the sun will rise.

How were they able to predict temperatures would increase instead of decrease?

Record temperatures, extreme rainfall, increased flooding, increased severity of wild fires, increases in sea-levels, etc.

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I take David Attenborough's word over the rest of us

Why not, his guess is as good as anybody else's.

Still only a guess.

Did they predict it, or did they assume the trend would continue? The upward trend in global temperatures began in the late 19th century.

It did indeed, why do think that happened?

If the climate models predicted a slight temperature increase it's the least impressive prediction I have ever heard of. The temperature was already trending up.

Jun 9, 2024 -- 4:33PM, Charlie wrote:

Record temperatures, extreme rainfall, increased flooding, increased severity of wild fires, increases in sea-levels, etc.

They're pretty impressive.

You could have asked the bloke down the pub if the temperature was trending upwards without spending fortunes on climate models.

There's a lot of people on these threads who would deny it.

''In the fall of 1973, a prominent climate scientist named Reid Bryson took the stage at an American Association of Geographers conference, and to a crowd of hundreds packed inside the University of Wisconsin-Eau Claire banquet hall, he explained that the planet was cooling.''

https://scienceline.org/2017/04/ice-age-never-happened/#:~:text=Harsh%20winters%20brought%20historic%20blizzards%2C%20including%20the%20destructive,not%20cooling.%20An%20ice%20age%20was%20never%20imminent.

Looks like he was wrong.

chainsaw Out

Global warming has reached such cataclysmic levels that I am now having to cut logs on 9 June.
It’s 15c in the house!

bloke on Twitter

Perhaps he should move to Delhi, it's been pretty warm there. Was nearly 53C at end of May.

I would Suggest sticking a Coat on tbh

A Mention of Artic Air on the ITV , its certainly all happening

Seems like a lot of kerfuffle for a small temperature increase. Does anyone know whether more people die of heat or cold?

Do you ignore all questions asked of you?

Ron, an undertaker I knew said winter takes the old uns, summer takes the younger.

Temperatures started going up when we came out of the Little Ice Age.

Ah shame, the clown is afraid to answer questions. Bless him.

Sir charlie global boiler

case has a very individualistic way with words ,, clever guy

Which question is that Charlie?

Ronaldmcdonald • June 9, 2024 4:37 PM BST
Did they predict it, or did they assume the trend would continue? The upward trend in global temperatures began in the late 19th century.

Charlie • June 9, 2024 4:38 PM BST
It did indeed, why do think that happened?

I have already answered this. Temperatures started going up when we came out of the Little Ice Age.

Ronaldmcdonald • June 9, 2024 4:12 PM BST
What accurate prediction has been made by climate models apart from small temperature increases?

Charlie • June 9, 2024 4:33 PM BST
Record temperatures, extreme rainfall, increased flooding, increased severity of wild fires, increases in sea-levels, etc.+

Not a question as such so I assume you believe what I said.

So your saying the little ice age ended in the late 1900s, increased CO2 and increased temperatures was nothing to with the industrial revolution?

So they predicted another thing that's always happened, extreme weather. These climate models sound completely useless.

You missed a few things off.

Especially the word increasing.

No the little ice age didn't end in the 1900s, the 19th century would be the 1800s.

It's always increased and decreased. Is there a single thing these models can tell us that the bloke down the pub couldn't?

Ok, my mistake on that. So what has that got to do with anything?

How many people down the pub would say: I think there will be record temperatures, extreme rainfall, increased flooding, increased severity of wild fires, increases in sea-levels, etc?

What would you expect the temperature to do when we come out of a mini ice age?

If you can show a credible source of somebody saying there is no climate change then that may help your cause. Can you?

Why do think I am claiming there's no climate change? The climate has always changed.

Jun 9, 2024 -- 8:24PM, Ronaldmcdonald wrote:

What would you expect the temperature to do when we come out of a mini ice age?

I would expect the temperatures to rise in Europe and North Atlantic region.

Jun 9, 2024 -- 8:26PM, Ronaldmcdonald wrote:

Why do think I am claiming there's no climate change? The climate has always changed.

Man made climate change pedant.

Most forum posters realise Charlie is a dhead

If yiu want to engage remember he is special needs

If the temperatures go up in those parts of the world wouldn't you expect the world's average temperature to increase?

That's not a given. Why do you think CO2 increased after the industrial revolution and had been going up ever since?

That's how averages normally work.

Is this a special case where maths is replaced with climate science jiggery pokery?

What CO2 emissions average out since the 19C?

Do you wear a double mask when you are in the car on your own?

You sound like the type.

So you're actually trying to say that since the industrial revolution the amount of CO2 hasn't increased year by year, is that true?

I don't have a car but if I did I'd wear a gas mask just to make sure.

When I go out I'm very careful and wear a bee suit as you never know.

Of course a cyclist with a helmet cam so you can cause trouble reporting people. Typical leftie.

Are only lefties people of law and order?

Jun 9, 2024 -- 8:42PM, Charlie wrote:

So you're actually trying to say that since the industrial revolution the amount of CO2 hasn't increased year by year, is that true?

Any reply?

half the population of the u k has below average intelligence

think about it and be thankful

I haven't got a bike, luckily I've got legs which are currently working fine, and a free travel card.

CO2 levels usually go up with the temperature.

Jun 9, 2024 -- 8:42PM, Charlie wrote:

So you're actually trying to say that since the industrial revolution the amount of CO2 hasn't increased year by year, is that true?

Are you saying the industrial revolution had nothing to do with increasing man made CO2 emissions?

A free travel card? I thought you sounded like a student.

I think you know I'm not.

I'm still waiting for you to post my top betting losses. But more pressingly my CO2 question.

students learn

charlie doesn't

Industrialisation increased CO2 levels and that may have increased temperatures, but I doubt if it made much difference. There are always increases in temperature when we come out of a mini ice age, so to attribute that entirely to industrialisation is bonkers. I wouldn't worry about it too much if I was you. I wouldn't get paranoid about it like Greta and co.

Old age pensioner then I suppose with a free travel card.