The Lib Dems, what the **** is the point?

Farage may have changed the whole complexion of the election simply by standing in Clacton. There can't be a shadow of doubt that by him doing so, the tory vote share will drop and the LibDems are best placed to take advantage of that in multiple blue wall seats.

Indeed. That was case before farrage standing.

He has likely turned a few more seats yellow.

if you don't want to vote a Tory or Reform candidate in they are your only realistic option in a number of constituencies,

they do some good work on some local councils to tame the worst tendencies of the extremes (of both sides) as well.

They still haven't recovered from the Tory co-allition and lack the quality of both leadership and prominent party members they had historically...but the last thing I'd want is for them to disappear..

What's more, I believe the bookies are massively underestimating the LibDem chances in multiple seats. I confess to backing many Libdem constituency markets.

Torbay?

In the interest of mischief Norbert..

what do Labour in it's current guise stand for ?

Jun 6, 2024 -- 3:51PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:

Torbay?

I haven't a bet on that particular seat because Labour could get involved. I have been concentrating on seats where it's a stonewall match LibDems v Tories.

Ah, OK.

Seats such as Godalming and Ash. I just can't see Jeremy Hunt hanging on there.

The Libs under dead Davey have an interesting strategy in the blue wall.
At national level they are screaming for 380,000 houses to be built pa ,yet at local level they campaign relentlessly that they will oppose all developments and plannings permissions.
This hypocrisy and underhand fraud will secure the huge NIMBY vote,they will do well.

Politicians lying, not feeling 2 grand about that

If you ain't voting for a liar you ain't voting.

Go big or go home, eh?

In the interest of mischief Norbert..

what do Labour in it's current guise stand for ?

Honesty.

In the interest of mischief Brentford..

what do The Conservatives in their current guise stand for ?

If you ain't voting for a liar you ain't voting.

This is the lie banded about by Boris... Everyone is a liar. Everyone is corrupt.

No Boris. Only you and your Tory mates are corrupt liars.

surely they have a voice dont they ?

why not let it be heard , just like the raving looney monster, the conservatives andlabour

Jun 6, 2024 -- 3:51PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:

Torbay?

Last night's Wellswood (Torbay) council by-election result:

CON: 42.3% (-21.1)
LDEM: 41.9% (+41.9)
REF: 8.5% (+8.5)
LAB: 5.3% (-19.6)
GRN: 1.5% (-10.1)
WP: 0.5% (+0.5)

Valid votes cast: 2,217

Conservative HOLD.

Shirley that's a clear sign for stopthetories.vote.
to recommend to tactically vote lib dem in torbay.

Hopefully, anyway.

Try to improve your English, leftie loser.

It is a mess.

Soft brain Crippens the mass migration voter
trolling me again. What a mug, Bliar and the tories

Ha ha ha

Jun 6, 2024 -- 11:52PM, SirNorbertClarke wrote:

If you ain't voting for a liar you ain't voting.This is the lie banded about by Boris... Everyone is a liar. Everyone is corrupt.No Boris. Only you and your Tory mates are corrupt liars.

I must have imagined when Blair said there were WMDs in Iraq.

It's just a waste of time responding to a soft brained troll.

Crippens voted for bliar

Mug.

It's a waste of time he says but he still responded.

Apparently pointing out labour lies is trolling but pointing out conservative lies isn't. That's leftie  logic for you.

Lol are you calling yourself soft brained as well as crippens.

Good to know

Clown, mug.

You have some nerve calling Ronald McDonald a clown.

You have to laugh.

I can see leftie loser is upset again.
But there was no offence intended.
Just giving a sad little troll a dose of his own medicine.

If he goes around the forum stalking people, it’s only fair he should expect some back.

Ha ha ha

Crippens never fails to project his own feelings.

Dry your eyes, mug.

In a break from his own comedy tour

Liberal Democrat leader Sir Ed Davey says Rishi Sunak has "brought shame" to the office of Prime Minister by leaving Normandy early

...

In the interest of mischief Brentford..

what do The Conservatives in their current guise stand for ?

not sure even they know...so I can't really help you there..

The conservatives under Sunak and his "one nation" advisers did their market research and decided the way to win a general election was to grab the "centre ground" beloved by blair and cameron and coveted by starmer. Give them the bland old fodder and rely on "brand loyalty" and the fear of the socialists .
What they didn't realise that for each vote they gained with this policy two will disappear from their 2019 haul......either to Lab/Lib ,reform and the certainty of a low turnout.
5 years of appeasing types who would never vote for them ,general incompetence ,weakness and lack of conviction ,will cost them dear.

⬤
Con    29.2    - 29.9
⬤
LDem    27.1    +  2.8
⬤
Lab    16.1    +  3.1
⬤
Ref    14.7    + 14.7
⬤
Oth    6.5    +  5.3

Torbay, MRP 7june

For a moment I was wondering which lefty loser you were referring to Dr C. there are so many of them.

Lib dems still battling in torbay...

Lib Dems still battling everywhere - when you vote consider the Lib Dems

Jun 6, 2024 -- 4:31PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:

Politicians lying, not feeling 2 grand about that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKMgx46Y8mI&t=650s

Generally the U.K. elections are won by the
Arty who grants the centre ground and it’s obvious why.
Go too far to the left and promise mass nationalisation of stuff and the centre right voters are off.
Go too far to the right and promise tax cuts for the rich and more damage to the NHS etc and the centre left are off.

So extremes are never likely to get support.

The only 2 occasions when the right actually won was when The Thatch was about. She tapped into a feeling that there was simply too much power in the Unions and the industrial relations had to be fixed.

The other time was for The Sleaze and his get Brexit done stuff. He tapped into a feeling very well that there had been a referendum and the other parties were dithering and ignoring the result. He also had a left wing labour leader which made it easy.

Aside from those results, Major, Blair, Heath, Wilson and before them McMillan were either centre left labour, centre labour or centre “one nation” Tories.

Now it could be that the Labour Party will inherit such a mess from the Tories this time (not all of the Tories own making really) that they will become unpopular in a single term. But anyone with the idea that to defeat labour, the Tories need to move further away from the centre to the right, are dreaming.

Thank god the lib dims aren't winning here. All the clowning about seems to have avoided any talk of policy and perhaps more importantly, their leader's role in the Post Office scandal.

I have no idea of your age CoT but my perception of the centre ground now is that it is well to the left of where it was 50 years ago.

That's what the old Romans said too when the young woke people started making the centre ground find it unappetising when lions were given slaves for public eating.

Taking delight in watching lions eat slaves is perfectly mainstream one generation, suddenly right wing the next. Stupid wokesters.

Lol foinavon is far far right, and lost
use of his faculties

The elderly generation when you were young was probably also all like: "Kids these days. Talking about "elements" and "molecules", playing God. Shifting the centre away from God. They will be the doom of us all".

I had enough of my faculties remaining to go and vote this morning.

If I told you what they did say, you wouldn't like it edy. Yes, we are different from them just as our grandchildren are different from us.

Wow that was a toughie, lol

Like Trump reciting his test,

I've seen it all and would be able to handle anything, but I would fear for your forum account if moderators only read the post hastily.

What was that Lunatics name thought she might Become PM , but actually lost her seat ,Was it Swinson ?

Jo Swinson

Big supporter of Migrant and Religious Types , Lived in the rsole of Nowhere

The 100 % pure Woke

never to be seen again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpbnBvlbPkA

100 Sporting Political Moments

No point in revisiting the past edy, as I said, my generation is different from the preceding two. If you are interested in knowing how propaganda works and how it can cause large scale disasters to be visited on ordinary people as we have seen during the past century (without getting bogged down in academic nonsense), then Huxley's "Brave New World Revisited" is excellent. I don't know whether you read any of my book recommendations but I suppose there's no harm in making them.

Wokery: a 20 year old women was sent to prison after making hateful remarks and offending ,one of a gang who raped her in a park ,needless to say ,none of the gang who raped her went to prison.

I only read the original Brave New World so far.

Wokery: a 20 year old women was sent to prison after making hateful remarks and offending ,one of a gang who raped her in a park ,needless to say ,none of the gang who raped her went to prison.


Do you has a link to a reputable report of this wonderful event?

The sequel is analytical. We seem to be moving in that direction although he conceded that the doped incubator concept is unlikely to come about at least in the near future and random sexual breeding will continue.

Jo Swinson lost her seat, Farage is a Putimn sympathiser - what's the world coming to?

Thank goodness for GB News

Should have read Farage is a Putin sympathiser

There is a difference between being sympathetic and understanding motivation. I don't think Farage is sympathetic to Putin and has condemned the invasion of Ukraine.

Jul 4, 2024 -- 4:09PM, SirNorbertClarke wrote:

Wokery: a 20 year old women was sent to prison after making hateful remarks and offending ,one of a gang who raped her in a park ,needless to say ,none of the gang who raped her went to prison.Do you has a link to a reputable report of this wonderful event?

He will not be able to because he either deliberately mispresented it or misunderstood the cases.

SNC ,Wokery ,no link as just going racing but the infamous incident occurred in 2020 in Hamburg's Sradtpark and is horrific and sad.

Then there is clarification for political expediency
when challenged about deliberately ambiguous statements

Jul 4, 2024 -- 4:20PM, flat16 wrote:

SNC ,Wokery ,no link as just going racing but the infamous incident occurred in 2020 in Hamburg's Sradtpark and is horrific and sad.

If you are indeed talking about Hamburg, then the 20 year old that was sentenced to a weekend in jail is a randomer that contacted one of the (then) accused. She is not, as you claimed, the girl who had been raped.

Why let facts get in the way of a good story?

As for the rape: Had it not been for woke people, it would not have been considered rape to begin with. The girl was (highly) drunk. It was only the woke that sought to criminalise (non-violent) penetration if it is evident that the woman is too intoxicated to still be able to give conscious consent.

Just like it was the woke that sought to criminalise rape in marriage, which was deemed impossible for the longest of times.

sounds like flat16 is telling fibs.

I think I'll add him to the blocked list.

It was only in November 2016 when the wokes finally successfully criminalised the taking advantage of intoxicated women btw. Before that, what happened in that case in Hamburg would not have been a case or crime at all.

*in Germany of course

snc can block me but the hideous incident still took place ,9+ men repeatedly raped a female in Stadtpark ,Hamburg 2020.
Chat rooms and videos were used and the sentences were derisory.
The defamation case was indeed against a different female as edy corrected ,she insulted and offended a convicted rapist and got a custodial sentence (small) ,defamation is obviously a serious offence in Germany.
My memory lapse was due to rushing to go out and avoid the socialist celebrations and there has been quite a few of these gang rapes in Germany.
Where I disagree with edy strongly is that he suggests the prosecution was bought about by "woke" and the victim was to blame ,the victim was a 15 year old child.

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sounds like flat16 is telling fibs.
I think I'll add him to the blocked list

he must be talking to himself by now :]

I did not blame the victim. The rapists are to blame, hence their sentencing. It however simply was established as fact in court that she was highly drunk that day. A condition the men took advantage of when they should have been able to tell that the woman was in no state to give conscious consent. That's what they then got sentenced for. There was no violence involved, as far as the court was able to establish.

And yes, absolutely the case was brought about by the woke. The wokes and feminists campaigned to toughen the sexual criminal code up in a way that it is a rape if you should have known that the other party is too intoxicated to make a conscious decision on whether they really want to have sex with you. As I noted it is a relatively recent addition to the German criminal code, November 2016. Before that addition, it would not have been a rape, or even a crime at all, for the men to take advantage of the state of mind the woman was in.

Are you seriously telling me it was high on the agenda of the "boys gonna be boys" and "you can't even flirt anymore because of the wokes" folk to criminalise it to have sex with a woman because she is too drunk to give conscious consent? The German secretary for justice at the time of the law was Heiko Maas of the social democrat party of Germany and the way I have gotten to know you, you probably deem Merkel, chancellor at the time, quite woke too.

It however simply was established as fact in court that she was highly drunk that day.

And this is the most important fact about the entire case too as her being too drunk to be able to give conscious consent is the entire basis of the entire case and the entire reason it is even considered rape.

It is not victim blaming. It is simply a fact needed to explain and understand why the otherwise non-violent penetration is nowadays, after restless campaigning by women right's activists, rightly considered rape under the reformed german sexual criminal code.

To see a drunk 15 year old  girl does not normally make a human being want to rape them steal their phone and money and send videos to your mates on a chat room and ask them to join you ,to continue the outrage.
This is rape pure and simple and the sentences were ridiculously low because of the age of the attackers and their race and that is wokery.
You repeat that the state of mind of the women is relevant (intoxicated) yet she is a child . Sounds like grooming to me in Hamburg ,Halifax or Hanoi.

Of course the state of mind is vitally important as it's the entire reason it was even rape under the German criminal code.

That it took until 2016 to make it a criminal offence/rape to begin with should really be clue enough for anyone that it traditionally exactly the highest agenda point ever of the non-wokes. So say thank you to the wokes for making it a criminal offence at all.

is not exactly the highest

Without the wokes, the perpetrators would have walked away without any punishment at all, as will have many others before them before the wokes got the criminal code reformed in this regard.

That will be of great comfort to the traumatised victim who has now been diagnosed with PTSD.
Should I also thank the wokes for the 20 defence lawyers and the risible punishments for the perpetrators of this hideous crime.
Call me old fashioned but I expect people not to gang rape helpless 15 year old girls ,whether they are drunk or not.

Yes, the victim will probably take greater comfort in the rapists being punished compared to the situation it was before when your old fashioned kind failed to make it a criminal offence all the way until November 2016 in Germany. When men used to dismiss that it's rape if a woman is drunk. Or that rape can happen in marriages. Things that were only changed on the relentless pressure of woke women.

Can you tell me when it became rape in the UK (or its individual countries) to take advantage of women too intoxicated to make a conscious decision on whether they want to have sex with you? I'd guess it's also a relatively new offence, this millennium, instead of something that was established very long ago by the old fashioned people that are not exactly known to have sexual independence and protection of woman in mind.

The crime is morally reprehensible in 2015 ,2020 or 1915 ,I do not need the bible/koran or German criminal code to help me.
You love the detail ,so I will help you ,the perpetrators were Polish ,Egyptian ,Libyan ,Kuwaiti ,Iranian ,Armenian ,Syrian and Montenegrin.
You can put lipstick on a pig and it is still a pig.

Yes, but can you tell me when it was made a crime in the UK to see if it was done very long ago by old fashioned people or by the more woke kind?

In Europe we have alcohol ,we have infidels ,we have make up ,we have skimpy or sexy clothes ,sometimes our women and young girls over do it.............this does not give anyone the right to attack/violate or rape and the punishments should be severe if anybody does.

Yes, and the woke people thankfully finally defined it as rape in 2016 in Germany. When was it defined as rape in the UK? A very long time ago by the old fashioned kind?

12 % of the Vote 71 Seats

14 % of the Vote  4 seats

Or only within the last 2-3 decades on pressure by the woke feminists?

The definition that it is rape if a man penetrates a woman when he should have known that the woman was to inebriated to be able to give conscious consent. When did that become rape in the UK or its individual countries?

In Germany it was November 2016 as I said. When was it in the UK or its countries?

Was it the old fashioned kind that protected women in such scenarios a very long time ago already?

I am never going to concede that we need woke lawyers ,like the prix we just elected and those scumbags should be in jail.

That post does not include a date on when it became rape in the UK to penetrate a woman that is too inebriated to give conscious consent.

A complete irrelevance!

who somehow have 71 seats in Da House Nob ,quite incredible TBH