PM Sunak vs Sir Starmer debate

So you'll be sticking pins in your eyes? Not a good idea.

The NHS is a bottomless pit no sufficient money could resolve. There are too many users, and an archaic system governed solely by targets eg 1 patient every 2hrs.

I was a recent user for the very 1st time; the wait between each treatment and report eg CT scan and report received was 2hrs; potter took 2hrs to arrive after being booked. Similarly, the feedback from clinician; a 10 min procedure turned into a 4hr process.

Also, 3 coppers (2 could not be more than 20yrs old) came in with a young adult (possibly mentally distressed). They were  playing (a) guess my name (b) guess my age in a corridor just a short distance from a cubicle where a sick mental patient was being treated; a relative stormed out of the cubicle to tell the young coppers as such, and to stop encouraging the young adult into playing silly games; the young coppers looked highly embarrassed and soon moved on.

The coppers should not be bringing in anyone socially distressed (not physically sick or ill) to any hospital. Only an ambulance can.

Don't bother going again if you think it's that bad.

How do they have it where only Sunak is looking at the camera when they are making their opening statements?

Paula doesn't want to Turn her Oven , Must be plenty of Ready meals in the Microwave

turn On

Starmer making a pigs ear of this.

Pmsfl Starmer being taken Apart

VOTED LABOUR ALL MY LIFE BUT STARMER IS A LIER AND CHANGES HIS MIND A LOT NO LABOUR FOR ME

He needs a Pish Break this could be the Biggest Political Disaster in History

TAXES to Come Starmer will be stretchered out

No matter how bad conservatives are
Labour are worse

Gave it five minutes but it's like one of the threads on here when you just see edy and ronald having an endless go at each other. Put the D-Day programme on instead thanks.

Palpably obvious that Starmer would be exposed within a few minutes. He needs Biden's bunker.

foookin Ell DESTROYED , Blow the whistle for half Time FFS

Sunak 3-0 up half time.

starmer own party will get rid of him in a couple of years

I must be watching a different program to you lot, I haven't heard Sunak win a single arguement. The audience have clapped a few times and only for Starmer.

Starmer on the hook #4

yeah they're only clapping Starmer so far

Sacked in morn if this carry’s on

Every loser wins and encourages their base to vote

No neutrals watching, they are cheering on the lionesses...

lol dropped the ball AGAIN

starmer miles ahead imho

Watching another game to me elisjohn

yeah now suddenly agrees with deportation for illegals, will have gone down well in Islington

Starmer doesn't need to win, Sunak's last throw of the dice though.

Sunak keeping us safe from Hamas, heart to God.

Sunak telling lies over defence.

Starmr was dpp, at least we learn something new in the debate.

throw the Towel in FFS

No one a winner here both ****g clowns

Love the fake questions from itv

Pity that woman stopped Starmer when asking where Sunak got his money, yep, the British taxpayer.

youtube,the big short rishi sunak.

sunak wins starmer fell at the first

Sunak talks well but talks bollocks.

Really Charlie? And there's me thinking everyone's going to switch & put the Tories back in next month.

Listening to some of the above comments you'd think that was the case.

MY DAD WAS A TOOLMAKER , TBF it took 56 mins

Curiosity got the better of me so turned back over.




Is laughing at someone's speech a positive?

Can't see the point of that - what a complete waste of time

Bang,nail on the head, why haven't you done a fraction in the last 14 years.

starmer aged 10 years since 9.00 pmsl

Good closing statement by Starmer.

Sunak has won on points comfortably

My peas are really doing well this year. What's the betting I will eat most of them before they get to any pot?













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Starmer can't answer a joke question straight!

and also a real nice selection of herbs - a whole array of thyme etcetc

They are both godawful, and the show with the anticipated loaded questions. But Starmer should hold all the cards, and still getting beaten up.

OP was spot on , are there any more of these , Perhaps Abbot could be dragged on as a reserve

Batch cooking woman, ffs

it has been difficult to get any topsoil in the last 2 weeks

I batch cook.

Because you can't afford to put the oven on. walos

strawberries and cream for me today. But my carers do my porridge and fruit for me and a cup of tea every day for starters

I under stand if she said could run central heating
Non stop in cold snap
But who the **** puts oven on now days
Thought everyone had a ninja ffs

'cost of living' is yesterday's chip paper but itv wanted to recite it first up. 'climate change' is a global threat. The Don is a convicted criminal. Palestine, obviously.

I make my own Moussaka and cook it in the oven

and lovely roast spuds

I do a version with sliced tomatoes instead of aubergines

This bollox about House Building on the Green Belt there will be So much opposition Will take 10 Years to go through the Courts , Starmer he will give Local councils Special Powers RIGHTY OH

Sir Starmer is poor. He repeatedly banged on about the history of the Conservative Party in power, yet with no clear strategy going forward eg stop flights to Rwanda, then negotiate. What strategy is that? It's a losing one; France refused to take back economic refugees who set-off from France; EU the same. However, because of new arriving boat refugees migrating to Ireland - an EU member - France and EU member states have been singing a different tune ie they agree with the UK.

but think about all the new recipes the boat people can bring to these shores

Had a Go at Rasher for working in the Investment Bank , The greatest come Back in History , Well at least I wasn't defending Islamic Terrorists Brilliant

Poor old Sir Knee , he is not made for this Debating Craic ,  His Dad was a TOOLmaker ..

Could I be a PM please- My father drove steam engines as did my grandfather

'moisok', there are already plenty of cuisines from overseas. Have you heard of a Pakistani cooking Kurdish food? I've been reliably informed a restaurant in Tooting is precisely that.

Is anyone here a dab hand with an air fryer? I've just bought one. I might be attempting a roast chicken and spuds tomorrow for starters.

For all his interrupting and talking over everyone Sunak couldn't move the dial.

'moisok', be a London Mayor. If Mr Khan could do it anyone can including a chimp!

Starmer was bad this evening. He's as vague as a dodgy conman.

I stick to normal machinery etc

thank you for your vote - I am only after money

cooking your spuds in with the chicken soaking up the juices  yum yum

Jun 4, 2024 -- 9:25PM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:

Gave it five minutes but it's like one of the threads on here when you just see edy and ronald having an endless go at each other. Put the D-Day programme on instead thanks.

Stress relief is very important.

In no other World would Starmer be the Next PM , Tories have foooked up Big time , Lord Help us over the next few years

THE DPP , he is a bumbling mass of Nerves the man ,Incredible he held such a position , did he speak while doing the JOB

Starmer was Destroyed NOB , doesn't matter , as stated they could Stick Dianne up on the stage ,will make no difference , Infact she may well be an improvement

The Debates are meaningless, Sadly many in the  country feel the same regarding voting

This is a serious dilemma for estranged Labour Party voters. I can only see Sir Starmer as a trojan horse; Labour will win. But, the Islamists and extremists in the Party will hold the Party to ransom and demand policies to facilitate their kind eg water-down immigration policies eg allow more S Asians into the country in exchange for trade; even more autonomy for councils in ghettos up North; etc.

Another scenario of voting Starmer (Corbyn) and UK Plc the laughing stock of the world.

edy 04 Jun 24 22:34 
Jun 4, 2024 -- 9:25PM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:

Gave it five minutes but it's like one of the threads on here when you just see edy and ronald having an endless go at each other. Put the D-Day programme on instead thanks.


Stress relief is very important.

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Try knocking one out, two minutes to save half a day.

Someone Said Penny v Angela Next up , Is this true ? Has to be a wind up

its a Multi party Debate I just looked it up

saddo • June 4, 2024 10:52 PM BST

Try knocking one out, two minutes to save half a day.

....There are frequent 1 minute phases where I am not posting on here. Those do not happen by accident or because I get lazy posting on here. It's simply not enough. Have you ever tried betting on a match involving Jelena Ostapenka or Alexander Zverev?

At the end of the day too, there are only so many buckets of socks I can bring to the public laundry without eventually someone in the neighbourhood possibly finding it a bit weird.

Penny vs Angela. This could be stonkingly good, if so. Sir Starmer was poor. He's vision-less, and will be exploited internally by his Party and internationally; the political naivety of Sir Starmer is clearly obvious.

We can’t keep marvelling at the political genius of either misleading or lying to the public about something. It incentivises them to do it again. The only question that matters this morning is whether the prime minister knowingly misled the public, ie he lied.

Lewis Goodall

Just looked at Sky News & they have it in their headline that it was Starmer's night "Researchers at Savanta found Sir Keir Starmer beat Rishi Sunak by 44% to 39% in the first TV debate."

That's not the impression I had, I thought Starmer's performance was quite poor.

I thought he came across as a lot more genuine.The fact Sunak spouted with what he was going to do after his very poor tenure should have been an open goal and he didn't really take much advantage but didn't blow it either.

Quite good viewing though a bit PMQsy.

Think the whole thing was terrible. Starmer was a bit hesitant and didn't need to do the "I'm just like you" as much as he did. Sunak looked like he'd just had a bump and wanted to get in his face.


But the format was utter crap.


"Now tell us how you'll fix the NHS. You've got 30 seconds and need to collect as many gold tokens as possible at the same time while this angry guy shouts over you. Start the fans please!"

Sunak caught lying too, like spaffer in parliament
before him.

The debate is over the legacy of Sunak lies go on
to 4th July, independence day from the tory lies.

Looking the public straight in the eye, Sunak deliberately chose to lie about Labour plans. Not once but repeatedly. Not as a slip of the tongue but on purpose. And he had been expressly told not to do so by the head of the Treasury. He’s desperate. He’s no better than Johnson.

Chris Bryant




The barristers greatest trick - when the defendant is lying don't interrupt them
The barrister already had the evidence and could afford to stand there with a wry smile

Is Starmer playing the long game here? He made no great issue of it last night but was he saving it for the second debate?

Starmer knows that very little is ever going to move these numbers.

Even Farage's belly flop from the high board into the melee hasn't moved Labour's support.

So its 8K For a new heat Pump ,and 20 large plus  for your EV

Who is going to Pay to provide all this for the Non Working Communities across the country Must be at least 1/2 a million Have never worked will never Work  How will they be paying for Heat Pumps ?

Answer = You Will be paying for it ,Have your Kids got 30 K Handy to buy both Items ?

The country will be over run by Leftie Grifters , The Paymaster Baldy Mick already putting himself in the Spotlight

how many individual Council houses will need a heat Pump ?

as for home owners with a Lifespan of about 10 Years , that will be adding £800 per Anum on our average bills alone yee Green lefties must have plenty in the Bank 

Bring on 4/7   Will they breaking into people houses to remove Boilers

lapsy whats the Heat Pump Story over there ?  Will the RA be force fitting them ?

How's the Cows going ,have the Synthetic meat labs been set up Yet ?

You're full of angst today CM,see that graph yoke in the other thread?
T'was like the side of Kilimanjaro or something!

I can add know fec k all about heat pumps in Ireland to a long list,thought the RA would be into dismantling stuff tbh.

Cows are cows,happy out with a bit of green grass, unless you heard otherwise. Very important to satisfy the UK's insatiable appetite for the Maccy D's.

If there is one thing the public have had enough of it's lying politicians.

Rishi is just the latest in a long line of Tory liars.

Yet the frustrations that led to the BJP losing the Faizabad seat are ones reflected across the state: religious polarisation and pride in the Ram Temple ultimately did not trump anger at rampant unemployment, stagnant wages, and unaffordable inflation. “Bhookai piat Bhajan nahi hota [Prayers are not offered by those with hungry stomachs],” became a commonly heard refrain.

How is the Labour millionaire 'like us'  ???

Tonight (19:30 - 21:00) is between Ms Mordaunt (Con), Ms Rayner (Lab), Mr Farage, Ms Cooper (Lib), Ms Denyer (Green) and Mr Iorwerth (P Cymru). This could be explosive given Mordaunt, Rayner and Farage.

Any betting on the winner here. My money will be on Farage, if so.

My money will be on the fact that on the night there won't be a cigarette paper between the main protagonists but they will all claim to have each been clear winners.

(and tribally all us forumites will agree with our own cheerleaders)

PM will have a very tough time defending Sunak's D Day commemoration behaviour

I wondered what you you meant by PM defending Sunak and then the penny dropped.

Raynor will attack Mordant but does Mordant attack both Raynor and Farage, similarly does Farage attack just Mordant or Raynor as well?

It's indefensible, she just wears her medals for the debate
and says she would have stayed herself.

Fetch that sword if necessary, lol