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23 May 24 14:57
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How much money has been already spent on this ?
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Report Theoneandonly May 23, 2024 3:55 PM BST
Very interesting now saying no flights will take off before the election.

Pretty sure Starmer has said no flights will set off if he gets in.

Sunak was previously against the flights, then changed his mind.

Makes you wonder who was benefitting in trying to perform the flights as looking increasingly likely none will ever set off.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 23, 2024 4:09 PM BST
Hotel Rwanda is a 2004 docudrama film co-written and directed by Terry George.

It was adapted from a screenplay by Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer, and stars Don Cheadle and Sophie Okonedo as hotelier Paul Rusesabagina and his wife Tatiana. Based on the genocide against the Tutsi in Rwanda, which occurred during the spring of 1994, the film documents Rusesabagina's efforts to save the lives of his family and more than 1,000 other refugees by providing them with shelter in the besieged Hôtel des Mille Collines.[ Hotel Rwanda explores genocide, political corruption, and the repercussions of violence.

Great film by the way.
Report saddo May 23, 2024 4:35 PM BST
We are being fed to the wolves.
Report Cider May 23, 2024 4:45 PM BST
Pretty obvious wasn't it. Also very cosy how this has all happened. It's not that long since Brexit purgatory when the PM could not get an election. Now it seems it can happen overnight on the whim of the (unelected) PM.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 23, 2024 4:54 PM BST
Any pm with a majority can call an election.
Report Cider May 23, 2024 5:31 PM BST
Tories a nominal majority in 2019. Obviously could not get some votes through due to rebels, but still had a working majority.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 23, 2024 6:01 PM BST
There was a fixed parliament act that nominally
required 2/3 majority to force an election. Or a vote
of no confidence.

They could have tabled a "not withstanding bill“
to cause an election, that would require a simple majority. but didn't.

Corbyn and snp backed call for election so 2/3 majority
was met anyway
Report Cider May 23, 2024 6:14 PM BST
Hinged on Liberals from what I recall, they were blamed for greenlighting the Boris landslide. I'm not a constitutional expert (self evidently), it was meant to be impossible for a pm to arbitrarily call election. No doubt it would have passed in parliament anyway, that part is moot. Not surely how many Tories would have rebelled tho!
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 23, 2024 6:24 PM BST
Yep 2/3 required by law

Or triggered by vote of no confidence

Or a not withstanding bill. ( not withstanding law says 2/3
of house required to vote for it, we want a simple majority
to pass law,... Parliament is sovereign so can
pass whatever it desires unhindered by previous
parliament inserting clauses)
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 23, 2024 6:27 PM BST
Corbyn hesitated, but with lib dems and snp he feared
he would be forced into election anyway and would
look on wrong side. So voted to support, and 2/3rds
was reached, easily.
Report casemoney May 24, 2024 1:45 AM BST

Starmer on the tarmac taking the Knee
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- June 10, 2024 10:03 PM BST
The United Nations’ refugee agency has warned judges it may have new evidence from 2024 that Rwanda has endangered asylum seekers, despite Parliament passing a law declaring the country is safe.

In a highly significant intervention in the continuing legal battle over the policy, the UNHCR told the High Court on Monday that it is investigating new allegations of abuses.

Those allegations include individuals potentially being sent to countries where they could be tortured, despite Rishi Sunak arguing, during the same period, that Rwanda was a safe partner for the UK.

A judge has granted the UN agency permission to prepare a dossier before a flight of asylum seekers can leave the UK.

The court’s decision is a blow to the government because the agency’s intervention was a deciding factor in the Supreme Court finding that the original Rwanda plan was unlawful.

Home Secretary James Cleverly’s lawyers have told the court that no one will be sent to Rwanda before 24 July. Labour has pledged to scrap the policy if it wins the general election on 4 July.

Despite the uncertainty over the future of the scheme, at least a dozen major challenges are now before the courts - most from individual asylum seekers who want to know their future.

During the first Rwanda legal battle in 2022 and 2023, the UN’s evidence was critical to judging whether the country could be considered a safe and fair place to send asylum seekers.

It showed the British courts evidence of Rwanda subjecting refugees to “refoulement” - the practice of illegally returning an asylum seeker to a country they had fled from, despite knowing they may be tortured.


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