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PorcupineorPineapple
06 May 24 16:00
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What's the argument against?


Labour proposed them a while back but the Tories ditched the idea soon after. But since then immigration has increased and we don't know how many undocumented migrants are here. ID cards for work, benefits etc seems like a good idea to me so that the country knows who is doing what.

But despite all of their flailing around trying to fix their immigration problem, the tories never seem to want to go near this. Anyone know why?
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Report saddo May 6, 2024 4:05 PM BST
They wouldn't be able to get rid of those who don't qualify, illegals. The public would have to swallow an absolute amnesty for those who have broken in. A tough decision.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 6, 2024 4:08 PM BST
Too many tories with fake IDs avoiding tax

See grant shapps...
Report impossible123 May 6, 2024 4:43 PM BST
The immigrants in the UK: Do their original countries have issue ID card? If so, I think the UK ought to too. Maybe ID cards confined to immigrants only eg UK residents but not born in the UK.
Report PorcupineorPineapple May 6, 2024 4:47 PM BST
But why wouldn't you want one imp?




I lived in Malta for few years and they had them there. Once you get past the bureaucracy (every official appt in Malta means booking a full day off) then it was fine. Needed it to organise broadband, leccy, car hire as well as employment etc. But it was dead easy. I know Italy have had one for decades and it's no issue there either.


I'm just wondering what the ideological issue is against bringing them in here.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 6, 2024 5:02 PM BST
France have them too
Report brentford May 6, 2024 5:05 PM BST
The usual arguments against them are infringements of civil liberty, potential misuse of data, over reaching state etc, what's next after that...

I'm neutral on the issue so not especially arguing those points but they are ones that typically get referenced.
Report edy May 6, 2024 5:05 PM BST
Germany as well...

Very proud document. It has a bunch of very sweet holograms of the mighty Bundesadler as a security feature if you hold it in the right light.
Report brentford May 6, 2024 5:12 PM BST
from the 'liberty' website

“National digital ID systems tend to rely on creating huge central databases, meaning all of our interactions with the State and public services can be recorded. This personal data could then be accessed by a range of Government agencies or even private corporations, potentially in combination with other surveillance technologies like facial recognition."
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 6, 2024 5:22 PM BST
I have a passport, so a free ID card wouldnt
bother me. Always thought it was easier to
carry than a passport.

Can you imagine Fujitsu and tories getting hands
on our data again....
Report impossible123 May 6, 2024 6:04 PM BST
I'm all for an ID card 'Por..apple' - anything to facilitate any enquiry and to ensure public safety. My concept is "no problemo" - if nothing to hide; Civil Liberty can take 2nd a backseat.

I believe a section of East London had the lowest turnout in this week's election (?).
Report tobermory May 6, 2024 7:12 PM BST
can't see the point when we give them money when they are known to be illegal anyway and don't deport them when they turn out be rapists or jihadis

It might give an accurate figure of how many illegals we have but the politicians would rather not know and it would just depress everyone in a futile way.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 6, 2024 7:46 PM BST
How would you know how many folk don't have identity cards?

Like how many folk live in uk but are not on electoral roll
simply unknowable, a known unknown.
Report PorcupineorPineapple May 7, 2024 7:53 AM BST

May 6, 2024 -- 5:12PM, brentford wrote:


from the 'liberty' website“National digital ID systems tend to rely on creating huge central databases, meaning all of our interactions with the State and public services can be recorded. This personal data could then be accessed by a range of Government agencies or even private corporations, potentially in combination with other surveillance technologies like facial recognition."


Like any normal human, I'd be dead against the selling of data to private orgs and that should obviously be ringfenced. But wouldn't a central database actually be beneficial. There's a huge disconnect between official bodies where one hand doesn't know what the other's doing. Surely this would be a lot more efficient.

Report lfc1971 May 7, 2024 7:59 AM BST
Let’s just concentrate on the illegal migrants we do know about ,, instead of worrying about
an ID system which solves nothing
Report irishone May 7, 2024 8:06 AM BST
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07 May 24 07:59
Let’s just concentrate on the illegal migrants we do know about




Where did it all go wrong ?


Police force that keeps apologising, out of date laws, overcrowded , sewage problem...... MUG BRITAIN
Report Dr Crippen May 7, 2024 11:02 AM BST
An ID system would only affect those who already abide by the rules. An inconvenience and an expense.  It's all been discussed and ID cards were shown to be useless. 

Haven’t we already got NI numbers.

Nevertheless, Labour who ignored the advice at the time, and like spending money for the sake of it, were about to introduce ID cards had they won the 2010 GE.
When the Tories got in, they scrapped the project.

Another stupid project from Labour which they were warned would be useless were home information packs for home sellers.
''The Localism Act 2011 formally repealed the Home Information Pack legislation on 15 January 2012.''
Wiki.


People seem have forgotten what a bunch of idiot ideas the last labour government came up with.
Report PorcupineorPineapple May 7, 2024 11:04 AM BST
Can you point me to where it's all been discussed and ID cards were shown to be useless. Ta
Report impossible123 May 7, 2024 11:35 AM BST
I do not subscribe to the idea that ID card is not a way forward. If it was not why some EU countries have them for a long while now; a driver's licence is a form of ID card confines only to only a specific sector. Soon no doubt will transgress into a formal ID card.

If it's made clear anyone with digital id or uptodate paper id any query will be expeditiously dealt with; those without can expect unavoidably delay and expense. Then the locals (born here) and legals (from abroad) will subscribe to it.

As such, the non-conformists could be easily flushed out and dealt with expeditiously eg illegals/benefit fraudsters/ etc.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 7, 2024 11:43 AM BST
People seem have forgotten what a bunch of idiot ideas the last labour government came up with.
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Some people have forgotten they voted for them and spent hours defending their every policy, what a fool.
Report Pleasegivemeanailedontip May 7, 2024 11:48 AM BST
Haven’t we already got NI numbers

Indeed. The question that comes before ‘why shouldnt we give the government new tools?’ is ‘why arent the existing tools working?’
Report Dr Crippen May 7, 2024 11:53 AM BST
It’s true I voted for Blair, but changed my stance when I saw the damage they were doing to the country.

People like the leftie-laughing-loser are still voting for them.

Einstein once said that insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

I take it that tribal Labour voters like leftie-loser, are insane?
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 7, 2024 11:55 AM BST
Benefit fraudsters would simply get more
than one card, they can always find unregistered
folk to sign up. Then it needs to be finger print
enabled. Then more folk won't sign up...
Report PorcupineorPineapple May 7, 2024 11:56 AM BST

May 7, 2024 -- 11:04AM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:


Can you point me to where it's all been discussed and ID cards were shown to be useless. Ta


.

Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 7, 2024 11:57 AM BST
Ha ha ha, crippens falls for all the groopthinking, and spouts it
back.

Groovy gang meeting on shopping channel, please give generously.
Report Dr Crippen May 7, 2024 11:58 AM BST
why arent the existing tools working?’

Exactly, Pleasegivemeanailedontip.  Like the introduction of new laws to cover certain crimes when existing laws are adequate, but aren't enforced.
Report impossible123 May 7, 2024 12:01 PM BST
To only have one (universal) ID card is easily opened to abuse of an industrial scale eg. a possible forgery to undermine the country; a separate/specific ID card is more appropriate as it could be easily dealt with, and replaced at minimal cost, if compromised.

Similarly, only an individual bank card for any respective bank.
Report Dr Crippen May 7, 2024 12:06 PM BST
I see I've wound up the troll again.

I did have him blocked, but the dirty-left operative was making snide remarks about me without me knowing.

So now I read his leftie-loser rubbish, then smack his bottom and move on.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 7, 2024 12:20 PM BST
Ha ha ha

Still trolling me,

Couldnt make it up

Oh, don't forget you are ignoring me too

Lol
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