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this smoking ban is thin end of wedge, will soon be drink and gambling then everything else under the sun
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Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 17, 2024 10:19 PM BST
Lol, sleep well you'll be an idiot again when you wake up.

History might prove you right in your dreams, but on waking the
reality of kami kwasi bodgit kick in.
Report SirNorbertClarke April 17, 2024 10:59 PM BST
Explain the difference to me then. Benefits have to be paid for as do tax cuts.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 17, 2024 11:02 PM BST
Well your proposition is incorrect for a start.

Come back when you've grasped that.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 17, 2024 11:22 PM BST
It's a bit like water companies borrowing cash to pay dividends, innit

Dump the sh1te into rivers, and siphon the cast into
your pockets without long term plan for funding.

Oh we have debt, we can increase bills as we have a monopoly.

Great plan.



Here we have Truss siphoning money into pockets by
borrowing cash, where does it go, where does it come from.

If it gets spent, great, and you'll get it back and more.
but you risk triggering hyper inflation in a time
where you are already importing big inflation from outside forces.

You've also got usa raising interest rates, brexit has
weakened pound so you need more or less to match usa rate rises
or lose value anyway.

Borrowing to pay furlough when world is doing it
puts you in same cycle anyway, and wiping out
your industry and workforce during a pandemic when
everyone else protects theirs would be careless too.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 17, 2024 11:23 PM BST
siphon the cash
Report SirNorbertClarke April 17, 2024 11:31 PM BST
Well tax cuts generally put cash in rich people's pockets while benefits put cash in poor people's pockets.  They are different sides of the same coin.

Both have to be paid for so what is the difference?
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 17, 2024 11:38 PM BST
Actually paying for them is the difference.

That's why we have a budget and set out plans.


Even though they find more and more fiddles to borrow ever more cash.

Gone, apparently, are days of balanced budget

We are into % of gnp, which is about as nebulous
a policy as it can get anyway.

Cutting the budget whilst siphoning funds that
will likely be put beyond taxation, isn't at all
same as normal rises in benefits.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 17, 2024 11:44 PM BST
Also don't forget kami kwasi's old boss made
a fortune shorting the pound knowing what
would happen. He didn't during furlough.
Report irishone April 18, 2024 7:56 AM BST
When you leaving boys ?
Report irishone April 18, 2024 7:56 AM BST
When you leaving boys ?
Report SirNorbertClarke April 18, 2024 8:28 AM BST
Actually paying for them is the difference.


Can you please explain what the difference is?
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 18, 2024 8:41 AM BST
Apparently you can't grasp the concept of a budget,and
emergency spending in pandemic versus an unfunded cash grab
and the consequences of them upon us all.

Suffice to say the unfunded cash grab had to be reversed
and the culprits are out of office ranting to
idiots who take up their case.
Report SirNorbertClarke April 18, 2024 9:05 AM BST
If a particular benefit rises then the bill is covered by;

cuts to other expenditure,
A tax rise
or more borrowing

If a particular tax is cut then the shortfall is covered by;

a cut to other expenditure
A different tax rise
or more borrowing

Last time I looked that was how a budget worked.

So what is the big difference?
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 18, 2024 9:11 AM BST
In your world clearly none, you carry on.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 18, 2024 9:13 AM BST
Liz Truss still pm, kami kwasi still chancellor and
odey still shorting the pound...
Report rothko April 18, 2024 10:41 AM BST
Foinavon • April 17, 2024 7:15 PM BST
Please explain how they are different economically.I don't think they are, the market reaction was politically, not economically motivated.


The markets are neither politically or  economically motivated

They are soley there to make as much money for their shareholders/owners as possible

Basically they gamble on the strength or future strength of an economy and the view of the market, They also make lots of money gambling on recessions and a shrinking economy
Report rothko April 18, 2024 11:07 AM BST
sorry meant shareholders / owners / investors

so the market took a view on the Truss budget and gambled accordingly like it would have done on any other batshit budget
Report Escapee April 18, 2024 11:20 AM BST
Benefits are funded by National Insurance.

Just like VAT is to pay for UK's contributions to E.E.C. Crazy
Report lfc1971 April 18, 2024 11:21 AM BST
So they could have been wrong and lost money if the government had held its nerve ?
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 18, 2024 11:22 AM BST
Held it's nerve, lol
Report lfc1971 April 18, 2024 11:24 AM BST
Just a minute .. they were gambling on something that hadn’t been implemented
It might have been their view - but most economists tend to be wrong
Report lfc1971 April 18, 2024 11:48 AM BST
Perhaps the question should be .. did the Truss budget cut tax by enough ..
it would still have been very high
Report SirNorbertClarke April 18, 2024 12:03 PM BST
In your world clearly none, you carry on.


And yet you can't explain where my thinking is wrong.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 18, 2024 12:13 PM BST
You are arguing the Tufton Street line, against the actual argument
of borrowing for furlough versus Truss's unfunded bodgit.

Maybe you can argue why Johnson eating cake on
his birthday is same as Rayner eating cake at her
husbands house.

Tufton Street will love you for it.
Report SirNorbertClarke April 18, 2024 12:17 PM BST
You can waffle but so far you can't explain where my reasoning is wrong.
Report lfc1971 April 18, 2024 12:19 PM BST
Here’s the thing , the markets were spooked because
Tuss was not only going to be continue to overspend and not cut spending
And with potential fuel increases etc she was going to have to give away a lot of money to shield people from these costs

But those who criticise the buget .. such as yhtl .. and the usual lefties and liberals
didn’t criticise it for that reason .. they didn’t want her to cut tax and they wanted her to keep spending
So they say oh the markets reacted we were right .. ah no , you wern’t
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 18, 2024 12:23 PM BST
Your reasoning is wrong because you are off track.

I'm not waffling, you are just joining in having missrd
the focus that's been done to death, and now comes
back and Truss has risen from the dead as
a genius that got unlucky...
Report Escapee April 18, 2024 1:27 PM BST
lfc's reasoning is wrong because facts & truth don't matter to him.
His brain blots out reality as a coping mechanism.
Report SirNorbertClarke April 18, 2024 3:47 PM BST
Your reasoning is wrong because you are off track.

So please explain why you think I am off track
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 18, 2024 3:51 PM BST
I have explained but either you are trolling me yet again, or don't bother to read, or remain incapable of intelligent thought, or all 3
Report lfc1971 April 18, 2024 3:56 PM BST
Listen to can’t pee
He’s confused as usual , dopey ****
Yhtl wasn’t referencing me
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 18, 2024 5:16 PM BST
https://twitter.com/NicholasTyrone/status/1780621982972674060?s=19

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Report SirNorbertClarke April 18, 2024 5:20 PM BST
I have explained

Where?
Report SirNorbertClarke April 18, 2024 5:20 PM BST
I have explained

Where?
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 18, 2024 5:22 PM BST
Twice, at least...
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 18, 2024 5:27 PM BST
https://unherd.com/2024/04/why-liz-truss-will-never-repent/

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Report SirNorbertClarke April 18, 2024 5:31 PM BST
Twice, at least...

But you can't post a link to any of these explanations of why benefit debt is different to tax cut debt. Crazy

I give up.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 18, 2024 5:51 PM BST
They are on the thread, this thread on which you have been trolling me,
but hey... Ask again..
Report lfc1971 April 18, 2024 5:58 PM BST
noblet is just a troll - best ignored
Report breadnbutter April 18, 2024 5:58 PM BST
the market reaction was politically, not economically motivated

The market reaction was an thing of mass deception, quite how it was done and by who was insane, made me sit up and rethink the stock market as a potential investment vehicle for sure.

Was a  manipulation the likes of I have never seen b4, well that's what I thort anyway, how did they do it? What levers were actually pushed to have that effect,was  instant.

Hardly anyone questioned it, bizarrely.
Report lfc1971 April 18, 2024 6:03 PM BST
The markets were right to react , it was too risky

Liz Truss should have cut spending - drastically.

She didn’t do that
Report lfc1971 April 18, 2024 6:05 PM BST
Of course the irony is that the lefties , liberals would have kicked up a fuss if she did

They know sweet f all
Report breadnbutter April 18, 2024 6:20 PM BST
Was all about unfunded tax cuts... Lol

When you say cut spending, Labour going to do that, (Nap)

Who is fav to be next Labour leader, plans must be at an advanced stage by far left to sacrafice sir K at the alter and install a smiling maniac mk2.

Be that nutter from Manchester who's hair has had more treatments than Nicky Henderson.
Report SirNorbertClarke April 21, 2024 3:43 PM BST
They are on the thread, this thread on which you have been trolling me,
but hey... Ask again..



I doubt they are on this thread as you like me can't find them.

Ask again? Nah 5 or 6 requests is enough.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 21, 2024 5:09 PM BST
Maybe you should try reading rather than trolling.
Report SirNorbertClarke April 21, 2024 5:57 PM BST
I've been through the thread twice. At no point is there an explanation of why welfare debt is different from tax-cut debt.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 21, 2024 6:30 PM BST
Better try again it's deffo there.

But as explained you are simply trolling

Whilst promising to ignore me and not ask again, you just
can't help trying to troll me...
Report SirNorbertClarke April 21, 2024 6:35 PM BST
You can make as many claims as you like but you can't provide a link.

You're fooling no one.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 21, 2024 6:56 PM BST
It's been explained to you after I declined to repeat it
for the millionth time to foinavon.

You are simply barking up wrong tree and trolling, not my fault
if you can't understand.
Report SirNorbertClarke April 21, 2024 7:46 PM BST
No. No one  has explained why Welfare debt is different to tax-cut debt. Probably because there isn't a difference.


I am though enjoying your childlike inability to give up on a lie Grin

I was wrong the other day when I said you were forever stuck in Year 10. More like stuck in Year 3 or 4
Report PorcupineorPineapple April 21, 2024 7:56 PM BST
nobby, have you tried google.

If you're genuinely interested like. And not just wanting to waste your life on here.
Report LoyalHoncho April 21, 2024 7:57 PM BST
Does this woman ever say anything worth listening to?
The Aussie commentator at the late Queen's funeral service named/described her perfectly - "The Potty End"!
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 21, 2024 7:59 PM BST
Remarkle that nobby is ignoring me and simultaneously
trolling me, it's just like crippens.
Report SirNorbertClarke April 21, 2024 8:19 PM BST
I never ignore a fool, they are too funny.
Report SirNorbertClarke April 21, 2024 8:22 PM BST
PP I am yanking YHTL's chain because it is fun watching him wriggle.
Report PorcupineorPineapple April 21, 2024 8:25 PM BST
Not sure you're coming out of this as good as you think you are, if I'm being honest. Just disingenuous and time-wasting.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 21, 2024 8:27 PM BST
My chain isn't being yanked, you have interrupted an
old argument, misunderstood, and continue to make
a fool of yourself.

Keep it up nobby, there's a few don't know what a knob
you are, yet.
Report SirNorbertClarke April 21, 2024 11:00 PM BST
Yet more waffle.

Fact is there is no difference between debt caused by welfare payments and debt caused by tax-cuts. That's why you can't produced a link.

BTW your chain has been well and truly yanked. That's why you're still waffling.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 21, 2024 11:07 PM BST
Ha ha ha, it's all there for you.

But, keep being a knob, let everyone see.

You are ignoring me and "yanking my chain"

Ha ha ha
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 21, 2024 11:52 PM BST
Rafe on twitter

Liz Truss styling herself "the only conservative in the room" is embarrassing

She's not conservative. She is and always was a neo-liberal ideologue & free market extremist. The only reason she switched from the Lib Dems to the Tory Party was to advance her own political career

I believe she's still the same liberal who stood up at that Lib Dem conference all those years ago & called for the abolition of the Monarchy.

Now, out of office, we are supposed to believe she has suddenly discovered her social conservatism. Give me a break.

Never forget that in 2022 PM Truss wanted to INCREASE immigration to increase economic growth (as if that's worked well in recent years). No true conservative would have ever countenanced such a damaging policy.

As the name suggests, true "conservatives" believe in "conserving" Britain's heritage, its society and its communities, for example. Truss has never shown any interest in that. She'd happily bulldoze an ancient village to build a bypass if it was cheaper than building around it.

I'm afraid she is a snake oil salesman. This new image is another grift, in large part to burnish her credentials in the US, where she seeks to earn $$$ on the book and lecture circuit.

Some may find me unduly harsh on Truss, but I'm livid that such a deluded and disingenuous faux conservative should have been foisted upon us - especially one of such limited ability. 

Penny Mordaunt is another one. Despite being a wet Tory who pushed gender ideology, she has also been able to hoodwink a vaste swathe of Tory party members into thinking she is leadership material -- in large part because she was able to carry a sword at the Coronation. Such is the superficiality of our vacuous and moribund age.

The British people need to understand there is nothing conservative about the Conservative party leadership.

They tell voters what they want to hear -- e.g. that they will restrict immigration and fight for British interests. But once elected, they fight for the interests of big business and free market ideology (which favour mass immigration).

With its current crop of leaders it should be renamed the Neo-Liberal Party.
Report lfc1971 April 22, 2024 12:08 AM BST
Margaret Thatcher - Thatcherism
In international terms Thatcherism has been described as part of the general
socio -  economic movement known as neoliberalism, with different countries
beside the U.K. , such as the US sharing similar policies around expansionary
capitalism

Thatcherism represents a systematic, decisive rejection and reversal of the
post war consensus inside Great Britain

I suppose the same people didn’t consider Thatcher to be a conservative
And they still haven’t got over it
Report irishone April 22, 2024 7:37 AM BST
No they haven't got over this either ...(and by the way neither has the UK)

She supported the retention of Capital Punishment
She destroyed Britain’s manufacturing industry and her policies led to mass unemployment
She presided over interest rates of 15%
She voted against the relaxation of divorce laws
She abolished free milk for School Children
She precipitated a Social Housing crisis still being felt today
She brought in The Poll Tax
She sowed the seeds of NHS Privatisation
Section 28 – Thatchers quiet homophobia?
The Irish Hunger Strikes
Report SirNorbertClarke April 22, 2024 12:34 PM BST
Ha ha ha, it's all there for you.

But, keep being a knob, let everyone see.

You are ignoring me and "yanking my chain"

Ha ha ha



No it isn't and that's why you can't post a link to it.

For budgetary purposes benefit debt is exactly the same as tax-cut debt.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 22, 2024 12:40 PM BST
You need to read the thread, it's been explained to you.

That you've jumped in on an old argument isn't my fault.

Keep being a knob, and demonstrating to everybody
so there's no doubt.




You are ignoring me and "yanking my chain"

Ha ha ha





LaughLaughLaugh
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 22, 2024 12:42 PM BST
https://twitter.com/NeilDrysdale/status/1782064862295679412?s=19

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Report SirNorbertClarke April 22, 2024 12:49 PM BST
I've read the thread. You've read the thread. Neither of us can find the explanation you claim is there because it ain't there!!!!

BTW, I love it when you have to resort to school yard name calling. It tells me everything I need to know about the strength of your argument.
Report SirNorbertClarke April 22, 2024 4:46 PM BST
Now you're just telling fibs.
Report lfc1971 April 22, 2024 4:54 PM BST
Ignore noblet yhtl he’s just a troll with very suspect issues
Oh and he’s thick as well
Report irishone April 22, 2024 4:59 PM BST
a thick troll .....your mirror image Lfc
Report lfc1971 April 22, 2024 5:00 PM BST
Liz Truss ? She could have been a very great PM

Anyone who has worked many years knows not to write people off
after a short time

Often those who appear to be struggling ,or you might think he/ she hasn’t a clue
Does actually ,, and turn out to be the best ,, fact
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 22, 2024 5:02 PM BST
He's trolling me, whilst simultaneously ignoring me, and now plain making stuff up.

I think he's struggling with reality due to his
team no longing giving him opportunity to bask in
reflected glory by trolling football forum, so
we have to put up with him.

He's funny though as he's jumped in, took hook,
and just can't spit it out, it's wedged tight, even
though he realises his error....
Report lfc1971 April 22, 2024 5:03 PM BST
He’s a complete dhead deserves a swift kick up the arse
Report irishone April 22, 2024 5:15 PM BST
You having another Danish interlude Lfc ?

By lfc1971  1 Dec 22 12:14 Sometimes I tell lies and say I am Danish
Report SirNorbertClarke April 22, 2024 5:42 PM BST
YHTL, You can throw around insults and bluster all you like but you and I know you've been caught out talking bollox.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 22, 2024 5:49 PM BST
... And trolling me...
Report SirNorbertClarke April 22, 2024 5:58 PM BST
Someone who has to resort to lying isn't really worth following are they? You can never believe anything the say.
Report lfc1971 April 22, 2024 5:59 PM BST
Lol , keep biting pervert
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 22, 2024 6:16 PM BST
Well you've lied, and now say liars aren't worth following.

Maybe you will dissappear up yer own jacksie with this logic...
Report SirNorbertClarke April 22, 2024 6:41 PM BST
Yet another lie. I guess when you start you can't stop.
Report lfc1971 April 22, 2024 6:44 PM BST
^ little rodent
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 22, 2024 6:51 PM BST
He's getting desperate, maybe the penny is dropping...
Report SirNorbertClarke April 22, 2024 9:17 PM BST
YHTL & lfc, the liar and the Hitler fanboy, brothers in arms. Enjoy your love-in boys Laugh
Report SirNorbertClarke April 23, 2024 12:22 PM BST
Yet more Ad hominem invention and lies from the poster who can't back up his claim the welfare debt is somehow magically different to tax-cut debt.

Sticks and stones...
Report SirNorbertClarke April 24, 2024 8:36 AM BST
Where did I ever express any support for Liz Truss' economic madness?

All I asked was for  you to explain your belief that welfare debt was somehow different to tax-cut debt.
Report Foinavon April 24, 2024 1:42 PM BST
Laughing boy never admits he's wrong even when caught bang to rights. He will squirm and fill the forum with nonsense, talking the hind leg off a donkey just hoping for the last word. What a fool, just keeps on digging.
Report SirNorbertClarke April 24, 2024 4:21 PM BST
Laughing boy never admits he's wrong even when caught bang to rights. He will squirm and fill the forum with nonsense, talking the hind leg off a donkey just hoping for the last word. What a fool, just keeps on digging.

Foinavon you've hit the nail on the head.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 24, 2024 6:42 PM BST
https://twitter.com/JulianClement14/status/1783121459952390363?s=19
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 26, 2024 9:48 PM BST
Liz Truss book enters bestseller list in 70th place with 2,228 copies sold
Report Pleasegivemeanailedontip May 6, 2024 6:06 PM BST
Just watched her recent triggonometry interview. I thought she was a bit hard done by as PM but she is baffling in this interview.

Basically argues that the government is constrained by external bodies and various acts etc that Blair introduced, but that could all be fixed if the party had used its majority to repeal the acts and ‘take back control’ of government.
Alas, only Truss has worked this out so far and the rest of the Conservative party has spent 14 years wondering why they never get to implement any Conservative policies.

Shirley this cant be true
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 6, 2024 6:45 PM BST
https://twitter.com/I_amMukhtar/status/1787503035859492886?

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Report cryoftruth May 13, 2024 10:25 PM BST
Liz Truss ? She could have been a very great PM

Big if that.
Yes she could have been a very great pm IF….

She wasn’t an economic idiot
She didn’t spout utter bilge all the time
She hadn’t been personally responsible for wrecking our economy in but a few short weeks.
She wasn’t in total denial about wrecking our economy and instead going for a conspiracy theory and blamed the deep state, or Elvis Presley or globalwarming deniers etc
She had a shred of decency or honesty
She wasn’t incredibly stupid.

Yes unlucky, she could have been a great pm alright.
Report irishone May 13, 2024 10:37 PM BST
was she on Britains got Talent ?
Report Charlie May 20, 2024 4:59 PM BST
LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report Racingqueen May 20, 2024 7:53 PM BST
"Well said Liz Truss"......


Said no one ever.
Report Racingqueen May 20, 2024 7:55 PM BST
Exactly COT, its like saying I passed all my GCSEs except English, Maths, History, French and Science....
Report shiny new shoes please May 21, 2024 6:09 PM BST
Crazy conspiracy nutter Lizzy
Bring Lizzy back ExcitedLaugh

Terrorist sympathisers and woke extremists are "holding our country to ransom", Liz Truss
Well done ya killed the queen
Ban life
Report shiny new shoes please May 21, 2024 6:13 PM BST
Wannabe
Green Day - American Idiot
Report shiny new shoes please May 21, 2024 6:23 PM BST
How far will it go!
No-one is in big trouble
so out of touch with the public
Crush the lemmings
Always  ends in tears  playing on fears - Everybody Wants To Rule The World
So sad
Report irishone May 21, 2024 7:36 PM BST
agree
Report Charlie May 21, 2024 7:36 PM BST
LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
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