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16 Apr 24
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this smoking ban is thin end of wedge, will soon be drink and gambling then everything else under the sun
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Lol, sleep well you'll be an idiot again when you wake up.
History might prove you right in your dreams, but on waking the
reality of kami kwasi bodgit kick in.
History might prove you right in your dreams, but on waking the
reality of kami kwasi bodgit kick in.
Explain the difference to me then. Benefits have to be paid for as do tax cuts.
Well your proposition is incorrect for a start.
Come back when you've grasped that.
Come back when you've grasped that.
It's a bit like water companies borrowing cash to pay dividends, innit
Dump the sh1te into rivers, and siphon the cast into
your pockets without long term plan for funding.
Oh we have debt, we can increase bills as we have a monopoly.
Great plan.
Here we have Truss siphoning money into pockets by
borrowing cash, where does it go, where does it come from.
If it gets spent, great, and you'll get it back and more.
but you risk triggering hyper inflation in a time
where you are already importing big inflation from outside forces.
You've also got usa raising interest rates, brexit has
weakened pound so you need more or less to match usa rate rises
or lose value anyway.
Borrowing to pay furlough when world is doing it
puts you in same cycle anyway, and wiping out
your industry and workforce during a pandemic when
everyone else protects theirs would be careless too.
Dump the sh1te into rivers, and siphon the cast into
your pockets without long term plan for funding.
Oh we have debt, we can increase bills as we have a monopoly.
Great plan.
Here we have Truss siphoning money into pockets by
borrowing cash, where does it go, where does it come from.
If it gets spent, great, and you'll get it back and more.
but you risk triggering hyper inflation in a time
where you are already importing big inflation from outside forces.
You've also got usa raising interest rates, brexit has
weakened pound so you need more or less to match usa rate rises
or lose value anyway.
Borrowing to pay furlough when world is doing it
puts you in same cycle anyway, and wiping out
your industry and workforce during a pandemic when
everyone else protects theirs would be careless too.
Well tax cuts generally put cash in rich people's pockets while benefits put cash in poor people's pockets. They are different sides of the same coin.
Both have to be paid for so what is the difference?
Both have to be paid for so what is the difference?
Actually paying for them is the difference.
That's why we have a budget and set out plans.
Even though they find more and more fiddles to borrow ever more cash.
Gone, apparently, are days of balanced budget
We are into % of gnp, which is about as nebulous
a policy as it can get anyway.
Cutting the budget whilst siphoning funds that
will likely be put beyond taxation, isn't at all
same as normal rises in benefits.
That's why we have a budget and set out plans.
Even though they find more and more fiddles to borrow ever more cash.
Gone, apparently, are days of balanced budget
We are into % of gnp, which is about as nebulous
a policy as it can get anyway.
Cutting the budget whilst siphoning funds that
will likely be put beyond taxation, isn't at all
same as normal rises in benefits.
Also don't forget kami kwasi's old boss made
a fortune shorting the pound knowing what
would happen. He didn't during furlough.
a fortune shorting the pound knowing what
would happen. He didn't during furlough.
Actually paying for them is the difference.
Can you please explain what the difference is?
Can you please explain what the difference is?
Apparently you can't grasp the concept of a budget,and
emergency spending in pandemic versus an unfunded cash grab
and the consequences of them upon us all.
Suffice to say the unfunded cash grab had to be reversed
and the culprits are out of office ranting to
idiots who take up their case.
emergency spending in pandemic versus an unfunded cash grab
and the consequences of them upon us all.
Suffice to say the unfunded cash grab had to be reversed
and the culprits are out of office ranting to
idiots who take up their case.
If a particular benefit rises then the bill is covered by;
cuts to other expenditure,
A tax rise
or more borrowing
If a particular tax is cut then the shortfall is covered by;
a cut to other expenditure
A different tax rise
or more borrowing
Last time I looked that was how a budget worked.
So what is the big difference?
cuts to other expenditure,
A tax rise
or more borrowing
If a particular tax is cut then the shortfall is covered by;
a cut to other expenditure
A different tax rise
or more borrowing
Last time I looked that was how a budget worked.
So what is the big difference?
In your world clearly none, you carry on.
Liz Truss still pm, kami kwasi still chancellor and
odey still shorting the pound...
odey still shorting the pound...
Foinavon • April 17, 2024 7:15 PM BST
Please explain how they are different economically.I don't think they are, the market reaction was politically, not economically motivated.
The markets are neither politically or economically motivated
They are soley there to make as much money for their shareholders/owners as possible
Basically they gamble on the strength or future strength of an economy and the view of the market, They also make lots of money gambling on recessions and a shrinking economy
Please explain how they are different economically.I don't think they are, the market reaction was politically, not economically motivated.
The markets are neither politically or economically motivated
They are soley there to make as much money for their shareholders/owners as possible
Basically they gamble on the strength or future strength of an economy and the view of the market, They also make lots of money gambling on recessions and a shrinking economy
sorry meant shareholders / owners / investors
so the market took a view on the Truss budget and gambled accordingly like it would have done on any other batshit budget
so the market took a view on the Truss budget and gambled accordingly like it would have done on any other batshit budget
Benefits are funded by National Insurance.
Just like VAT is to pay for UK's contributions to E.E.C.
Just like VAT is to pay for UK's contributions to E.E.C.
So they could have been wrong and lost money if the government had held its nerve ?
Just a minute .. they were gambling on something that hadn’t been implemented
It might have been their view - but most economists tend to be wrong
It might have been their view - but most economists tend to be wrong
Perhaps the question should be .. did the Truss budget cut tax by enough ..
it would still have been very high
it would still have been very high
In your world clearly none, you carry on.
And yet you can't explain where my thinking is wrong.
And yet you can't explain where my thinking is wrong.
You are arguing the Tufton Street line, against the actual argument
of borrowing for furlough versus Truss's unfunded bodgit.
Maybe you can argue why Johnson eating cake on
his birthday is same as Rayner eating cake at her
husbands house.
Tufton Street will love you for it.
of borrowing for furlough versus Truss's unfunded bodgit.
Maybe you can argue why Johnson eating cake on
his birthday is same as Rayner eating cake at her
husbands house.
Tufton Street will love you for it.
You can waffle but so far you can't explain where my reasoning is wrong.
Here’s the thing , the markets were spooked because
Tuss was not only going to be continue to overspend and not cut spending
And with potential fuel increases etc she was going to have to give away a lot of money to shield people from these costs
But those who criticise the buget .. such as yhtl .. and the usual lefties and liberals
didn’t criticise it for that reason .. they didn’t want her to cut tax and they wanted her to keep spending
So they say oh the markets reacted we were right .. ah no , you wern’t
Tuss was not only going to be continue to overspend and not cut spending
And with potential fuel increases etc she was going to have to give away a lot of money to shield people from these costs
But those who criticise the buget .. such as yhtl .. and the usual lefties and liberals
didn’t criticise it for that reason .. they didn’t want her to cut tax and they wanted her to keep spending
So they say oh the markets reacted we were right .. ah no , you wern’t
Your reasoning is wrong because you are off track.
I'm not waffling, you are just joining in having missrd
the focus that's been done to death, and now comes
back and Truss has risen from the dead as
a genius that got unlucky...
I'm not waffling, you are just joining in having missrd
the focus that's been done to death, and now comes
back and Truss has risen from the dead as
a genius that got unlucky...
lfc's reasoning is wrong because facts & truth don't matter to him.
His brain blots out reality as a coping mechanism.
His brain blots out reality as a coping mechanism.
Your reasoning is wrong because you are off track.
So please explain why you think I am off track
So please explain why you think I am off track
I have explained but either you are trolling me yet again, or don't bother to read, or remain incapable of intelligent thought, or all 3
Listen to can’t pee
He’s confused as usual , dopey ****
Yhtl wasn’t referencing me
He’s confused as usual , dopey ****
Yhtl wasn’t referencing me
https://twitter.com/NicholasTyrone/status/1780621982972674060?s=19
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https://unherd.com/2024/04/why-liz-truss-will-never-repent/
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Twice, at least...
But you can't post a link to any of these explanations of why benefit debt is different to tax cut debt.
I give up.
But you can't post a link to any of these explanations of why benefit debt is different to tax cut debt.
I give up.
They are on the thread, this thread on which you have been trolling me,
but hey... Ask again..
but hey... Ask again..
the market reaction was politically, not economically motivated
The market reaction was an thing of mass deception, quite how it was done and by who was insane, made me sit up and rethink the stock market as a potential investment vehicle for sure.
Was a manipulation the likes of I have never seen b4, well that's what I thort anyway, how did they do it? What levers were actually pushed to have that effect,was instant.
Hardly anyone questioned it, bizarrely.
The market reaction was an thing of mass deception, quite how it was done and by who was insane, made me sit up and rethink the stock market as a potential investment vehicle for sure.
Was a manipulation the likes of I have never seen b4, well that's what I thort anyway, how did they do it? What levers were actually pushed to have that effect,was instant.
Hardly anyone questioned it, bizarrely.
The markets were right to react , it was too risky
Liz Truss should have cut spending - drastically.
She didn’t do that
Liz Truss should have cut spending - drastically.
She didn’t do that
Of course the irony is that the lefties , liberals would have kicked up a fuss if she did
They know sweet f all
They know sweet f all
Was all about unfunded tax cuts... Lol
When you say cut spending, Labour going to do that, (Nap)
Who is fav to be next Labour leader, plans must be at an advanced stage by far left to sacrafice sir K at the alter and install a smiling maniac mk2.
Be that nutter from Manchester who's hair has had more treatments than Nicky Henderson.
When you say cut spending, Labour going to do that, (Nap)
Who is fav to be next Labour leader, plans must be at an advanced stage by far left to sacrafice sir K at the alter and install a smiling maniac mk2.
Be that nutter from Manchester who's hair has had more treatments than Nicky Henderson.
They are on the thread, this thread on which you have been trolling me,
but hey... Ask again..
I doubt they are on this thread as you like me can't find them.
Ask again? Nah 5 or 6 requests is enough.
but hey... Ask again..
I doubt they are on this thread as you like me can't find them.
Ask again? Nah 5 or 6 requests is enough.
Maybe you should try reading rather than trolling.
I've been through the thread twice. At no point is there an explanation of why welfare debt is different from tax-cut debt.
Better try again it's deffo there.
But as explained you are simply trolling
Whilst promising to ignore me and not ask again, you just
can't help trying to troll me...
But as explained you are simply trolling
Whilst promising to ignore me and not ask again, you just
can't help trying to troll me...
You can make as many claims as you like but you can't provide a link.
You're fooling no one.
You're fooling no one.
It's been explained to you after I declined to repeat it
for the millionth time to foinavon.
You are simply barking up wrong tree and trolling, not my fault
if you can't understand.
for the millionth time to foinavon.
You are simply barking up wrong tree and trolling, not my fault
if you can't understand.
No. No one has explained why Welfare debt is different to tax-cut debt. Probably because there isn't a difference.
I am though enjoying your childlike inability to give up on a lie
I was wrong the other day when I said you were forever stuck in Year 10. More like stuck in Year 3 or 4
I am though enjoying your childlike inability to give up on a lie
I was wrong the other day when I said you were forever stuck in Year 10. More like stuck in Year 3 or 4
nobby, have you tried google.
If you're genuinely interested like. And not just wanting to waste your life on here.
If you're genuinely interested like. And not just wanting to waste your life on here.
Does this woman ever say anything worth listening to?
The Aussie commentator at the late Queen's funeral service named/described her perfectly - "The Potty End"!
The Aussie commentator at the late Queen's funeral service named/described her perfectly - "The Potty End"!
Remarkle that nobby is ignoring me and simultaneously
trolling me, it's just like crippens.
trolling me, it's just like crippens.
PP I am yanking YHTL's chain because it is fun watching him wriggle.
Not sure you're coming out of this as good as you think you are, if I'm being honest. Just disingenuous and time-wasting.
My chain isn't being yanked, you have interrupted an
old argument, misunderstood, and continue to make
a fool of yourself.
Keep it up nobby, there's a few don't know what a knob
you are, yet.
old argument, misunderstood, and continue to make
a fool of yourself.
Keep it up nobby, there's a few don't know what a knob
you are, yet.
Yet more waffle.
Fact is there is no difference between debt caused by welfare payments and debt caused by tax-cuts. That's why you can't produced a link.
BTW your chain has been well and truly yanked. That's why you're still waffling.
Fact is there is no difference between debt caused by welfare payments and debt caused by tax-cuts. That's why you can't produced a link.
BTW your chain has been well and truly yanked. That's why you're still waffling.
Ha ha ha, it's all there for you.
But, keep being a knob, let everyone see.
You are ignoring me and "yanking my chain"
Ha ha ha
But, keep being a knob, let everyone see.
You are ignoring me and "yanking my chain"
Ha ha ha
Rafe on twitter
Liz Truss styling herself "the only conservative in the room" is embarrassing
She's not conservative. She is and always was a neo-liberal ideologue & free market extremist. The only reason she switched from the Lib Dems to the Tory Party was to advance her own political career
I believe she's still the same liberal who stood up at that Lib Dem conference all those years ago & called for the abolition of the Monarchy.
Now, out of office, we are supposed to believe she has suddenly discovered her social conservatism. Give me a break.
Never forget that in 2022 PM Truss wanted to INCREASE immigration to increase economic growth (as if that's worked well in recent years). No true conservative would have ever countenanced such a damaging policy.
As the name suggests, true "conservatives" believe in "conserving" Britain's heritage, its society and its communities, for example. Truss has never shown any interest in that. She'd happily bulldoze an ancient village to build a bypass if it was cheaper than building around it.
I'm afraid she is a snake oil salesman. This new image is another grift, in large part to burnish her credentials in the US, where she seeks to earn $$$ on the book and lecture circuit.
Some may find me unduly harsh on Truss, but I'm livid that such a deluded and disingenuous faux conservative should have been foisted upon us - especially one of such limited ability.
Penny Mordaunt is another one. Despite being a wet Tory who pushed gender ideology, she has also been able to hoodwink a vaste swathe of Tory party members into thinking she is leadership material -- in large part because she was able to carry a sword at the Coronation. Such is the superficiality of our vacuous and moribund age.
The British people need to understand there is nothing conservative about the Conservative party leadership.
They tell voters what they want to hear -- e.g. that they will restrict immigration and fight for British interests. But once elected, they fight for the interests of big business and free market ideology (which favour mass immigration).
With its current crop of leaders it should be renamed the Neo-Liberal Party.
Liz Truss styling herself "the only conservative in the room" is embarrassing
She's not conservative. She is and always was a neo-liberal ideologue & free market extremist. The only reason she switched from the Lib Dems to the Tory Party was to advance her own political career
I believe she's still the same liberal who stood up at that Lib Dem conference all those years ago & called for the abolition of the Monarchy.
Now, out of office, we are supposed to believe she has suddenly discovered her social conservatism. Give me a break.
Never forget that in 2022 PM Truss wanted to INCREASE immigration to increase economic growth (as if that's worked well in recent years). No true conservative would have ever countenanced such a damaging policy.
As the name suggests, true "conservatives" believe in "conserving" Britain's heritage, its society and its communities, for example. Truss has never shown any interest in that. She'd happily bulldoze an ancient village to build a bypass if it was cheaper than building around it.
I'm afraid she is a snake oil salesman. This new image is another grift, in large part to burnish her credentials in the US, where she seeks to earn $$$ on the book and lecture circuit.
Some may find me unduly harsh on Truss, but I'm livid that such a deluded and disingenuous faux conservative should have been foisted upon us - especially one of such limited ability.
Penny Mordaunt is another one. Despite being a wet Tory who pushed gender ideology, she has also been able to hoodwink a vaste swathe of Tory party members into thinking she is leadership material -- in large part because she was able to carry a sword at the Coronation. Such is the superficiality of our vacuous and moribund age.
The British people need to understand there is nothing conservative about the Conservative party leadership.
They tell voters what they want to hear -- e.g. that they will restrict immigration and fight for British interests. But once elected, they fight for the interests of big business and free market ideology (which favour mass immigration).
With its current crop of leaders it should be renamed the Neo-Liberal Party.
Margaret Thatcher - Thatcherism
In international terms Thatcherism has been described as part of the general
socio - economic movement known as neoliberalism, with different countries
beside the U.K. , such as the US sharing similar policies around expansionary
capitalism
Thatcherism represents a systematic, decisive rejection and reversal of the
post war consensus inside Great Britain
I suppose the same people didn’t consider Thatcher to be a conservative
And they still haven’t got over it
In international terms Thatcherism has been described as part of the general
socio - economic movement known as neoliberalism, with different countries
beside the U.K. , such as the US sharing similar policies around expansionary
capitalism
Thatcherism represents a systematic, decisive rejection and reversal of the
post war consensus inside Great Britain
I suppose the same people didn’t consider Thatcher to be a conservative
And they still haven’t got over it
No they haven't got over this either ...(and by the way neither has the UK)
She supported the retention of Capital Punishment
She destroyed Britain’s manufacturing industry and her policies led to mass unemployment
She presided over interest rates of 15%
She voted against the relaxation of divorce laws
She abolished free milk for School Children
She precipitated a Social Housing crisis still being felt today
She brought in The Poll Tax
She sowed the seeds of NHS Privatisation
Section 28 – Thatchers quiet homophobia?
The Irish Hunger Strikes
She supported the retention of Capital Punishment
She destroyed Britain’s manufacturing industry and her policies led to mass unemployment
She presided over interest rates of 15%
She voted against the relaxation of divorce laws
She abolished free milk for School Children
She precipitated a Social Housing crisis still being felt today
She brought in The Poll Tax
She sowed the seeds of NHS Privatisation
Section 28 – Thatchers quiet homophobia?
The Irish Hunger Strikes
Ha ha ha, it's all there for you.
But, keep being a knob, let everyone see.
You are ignoring me and "yanking my chain"
Ha ha ha
No it isn't and that's why you can't post a link to it.
For budgetary purposes benefit debt is exactly the same as tax-cut debt.
But, keep being a knob, let everyone see.
You are ignoring me and "yanking my chain"
Ha ha ha
No it isn't and that's why you can't post a link to it.
For budgetary purposes benefit debt is exactly the same as tax-cut debt.
You need to read the thread, it's been explained to you.
That you've jumped in on an old argument isn't my fault.
Keep being a knob, and demonstrating to everybody
so there's no doubt.
You are ignoring me and "yanking my chain"
Ha ha ha
That you've jumped in on an old argument isn't my fault.
Keep being a knob, and demonstrating to everybody
so there's no doubt.
You are ignoring me and "yanking my chain"
Ha ha ha
https://twitter.com/NeilDrysdale/status/1782064862295679412?s=19
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I've read the thread. You've read the thread. Neither of us can find the explanation you claim is there because it ain't there!!!!
BTW, I love it when you have to resort to school yard name calling. It tells me everything I need to know about the strength of your argument.
BTW, I love it when you have to resort to school yard name calling. It tells me everything I need to know about the strength of your argument.
Ignore noblet yhtl he’s just a troll with very suspect issues
Oh and he’s thick as well
Oh and he’s thick as well
Liz Truss ? She could have been a very great PM
Anyone who has worked many years knows not to write people off
after a short time
Often those who appear to be struggling ,or you might think he/ she hasn’t a clue
Does actually ,, and turn out to be the best ,, fact
Anyone who has worked many years knows not to write people off
after a short time
Often those who appear to be struggling ,or you might think he/ she hasn’t a clue
Does actually ,, and turn out to be the best ,, fact
He's trolling me, whilst simultaneously ignoring me, and now plain making stuff up.
I think he's struggling with reality due to his
team no longing giving him opportunity to bask in
reflected glory by trolling football forum, so
we have to put up with him.
He's funny though as he's jumped in, took hook,
and just can't spit it out, it's wedged tight, even
though he realises his error....
I think he's struggling with reality due to his
team no longing giving him opportunity to bask in
reflected glory by trolling football forum, so
we have to put up with him.
He's funny though as he's jumped in, took hook,
and just can't spit it out, it's wedged tight, even
though he realises his error....
You having another Danish interlude Lfc ?
By lfc1971 1 Dec 22 12:14 Sometimes I tell lies and say I am Danish
By lfc1971 1 Dec 22 12:14 Sometimes I tell lies and say I am Danish
YHTL, You can throw around insults and bluster all you like but you and I know you've been caught out talking bollox.
Someone who has to resort to lying isn't really worth following are they? You can never believe anything the say.
Well you've lied, and now say liars aren't worth following.
Maybe you will dissappear up yer own jacksie with this logic...
Maybe you will dissappear up yer own jacksie with this logic...
Yet another lie. I guess when you start you can't stop.
He's getting desperate, maybe the penny is dropping...
YHTL & lfc, the liar and the Hitler fanboy, brothers in arms. Enjoy your love-in boys
Yet more Ad hominem invention and lies from the poster who can't back up his claim the welfare debt is somehow magically different to tax-cut debt.
Sticks and stones...
Sticks and stones...
Where did I ever express any support for Liz Truss' economic madness?
All I asked was for you to explain your belief that welfare debt was somehow different to tax-cut debt.
All I asked was for you to explain your belief that welfare debt was somehow different to tax-cut debt.
Laughing boy never admits he's wrong even when caught bang to rights. He will squirm and fill the forum with nonsense, talking the hind leg off a donkey just hoping for the last word. What a fool, just keeps on digging.
Laughing boy never admits he's wrong even when caught bang to rights. He will squirm and fill the forum with nonsense, talking the hind leg off a donkey just hoping for the last word. What a fool, just keeps on digging.
Foinavon you've hit the nail on the head.
Foinavon you've hit the nail on the head.
https://twitter.com/JulianClement14/status/1783121459952390363?s=19
Liz Truss book enters bestseller list in 70th place with 2,228 copies sold
Just watched her recent triggonometry interview. I thought she was a bit hard done by as PM but she is baffling in this interview.
Basically argues that the government is constrained by external bodies and various acts etc that Blair introduced, but that could all be fixed if the party had used its majority to repeal the acts and ‘take back control’ of government.
Alas, only Truss has worked this out so far and the rest of the Conservative party has spent 14 years wondering why they never get to implement any Conservative policies.
Shirley this cant be true
Basically argues that the government is constrained by external bodies and various acts etc that Blair introduced, but that could all be fixed if the party had used its majority to repeal the acts and ‘take back control’ of government.
Alas, only Truss has worked this out so far and the rest of the Conservative party has spent 14 years wondering why they never get to implement any Conservative policies.
Shirley this cant be true
https://twitter.com/I_amMukhtar/status/1787503035859492886?
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Liz Truss ? She could have been a very great PM
Big if that.
Yes she could have been a very great pm IF….
She wasn’t an economic idiot
She didn’t spout utter bilge all the time
She hadn’t been personally responsible for wrecking our economy in but a few short weeks.
She wasn’t in total denial about wrecking our economy and instead going for a conspiracy theory and blamed the deep state, or Elvis Presley or globalwarming deniers etc
She had a shred of decency or honesty
She wasn’t incredibly stupid.
Yes unlucky, she could have been a great pm alright.
Big if that.
Yes she could have been a very great pm IF….
She wasn’t an economic idiot
She didn’t spout utter bilge all the time
She hadn’t been personally responsible for wrecking our economy in but a few short weeks.
She wasn’t in total denial about wrecking our economy and instead going for a conspiracy theory and blamed the deep state, or Elvis Presley or globalwarming deniers etc
She had a shred of decency or honesty
She wasn’t incredibly stupid.
Yes unlucky, she could have been a great pm alright.
Exactly COT, its like saying I passed all my GCSEs except English, Maths, History, French and Science....
Crazy conspiracy nutter Lizzy
Bring Lizzy back
Terrorist sympathisers and woke extremists are "holding our country to ransom", Liz Truss
Well done ya killed the queen
Ban life
Bring Lizzy back
Terrorist sympathisers and woke extremists are "holding our country to ransom", Liz Truss
Well done ya killed the queen
Ban life
How far will it go!
No-one is in big trouble
so out of touch with the public
Crush the lemmings
Always ends in tears playing on fears - Everybody Wants To Rule The World
So sad
No-one is in big trouble
so out of touch with the public
Crush the lemmings
Always ends in tears playing on fears - Everybody Wants To Rule The World
So sad
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