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SirNorbertClarke
16 Apr 24 16:40
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Rishi wants to phase out smoking by increasing the minimum age by a year every year.

Liz Truss and other so called libertarians are fiercely opposed to it  and any other restrictions on personal behaviour.

As an ex-smoker I think **** should be banned fullstop.
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Report Mexico April 16, 2024 5:00 PM BST
Seems that will pass even though it is a free vote.


Not sure how it will work in a decade will shop owners need to check that somebody is over 25. Guess that is a long way down the road.
I remember when many Labour MPs were opposed to stopping smoking in pubs. Hard to imagine that we actually allowed the selfish smokers to puff away in public places. Bad enough sitting in beer gardens near a smoker.
Report casemoney April 16, 2024 5:43 PM BST
Of course kids wont be able to obtain Tobacco/vapes , Like they cannot obtain Alcohol or Weed  , Or other Drugs ..

Vapes are their target not Tobacco ...

Who is going to enforce the Law ?
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 16, 2024 6:06 PM BST
Seems odd to think you could waltz around fag in
hand through shops, bars, restaurants and schools.

Not they think it's odd trying to wipe it out over
quite a long period.

Imagine corner shop stocking embassy tipped for
George on his 100th birthday, but his 99 year old
sister is banned from buying them.

Ha ha ha
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 16, 2024 6:06 PM BST
Now they
Report impossible123 April 16, 2024 6:50 PM BST
This ban will significantly reduce cancer of the throat in the future. As such, more money to treat other illnesses. But, controversial as FOREST will claim taking liberty away from an individual, and UK becoming a nanny state, etc.

The Chinese are the most prolific smokers in the world. And, soon I believe China will have the most smoking related illnesses and cancers in the world; a drain on the country's resources, but China has the means to absorb this unsocial habit and illness.
Report casemoney April 16, 2024 7:26 PM BST
Throat cancer is Very rare as is,not sure why you would be highlighting that Particular Cancer
Report casemoney April 16, 2024 7:29 PM BST
It also has a reasonable Survival rate compared to other Cancers  , Regarding cancer sadly 1 in 2 of us will sufferers in our Life time

Smokers or not
Report impossible123 April 16, 2024 7:47 PM BST
Cancer is scary. Between 1/3 and 1/2 of us will get it sometime in our life; I can testify to that as 2 of my brothers (6 of us) have died from it.

China has an immense cancer problem. It accounts for between 1/4 and 1/3 of the global cases, and is evidently lifestyle related eg lung, breast and colon. The latest stats are over 4.5m new cases with nearly 3m deaths; main ones being lung cancer (smoking), breast and colon.

And, it's increasing.
Report Cider April 16, 2024 8:03 PM BST
It shows us where we are going. An utterly bonkers authoritarian bill tabled tabled by a conservative in name only government. The even more wet opposition whips its MPs to vote for a government bill.

It became culturally uncool for Brits years ago anyway. The only young people I know who smoke cigarettes are eastern europeans.

Jumping the shark is pretty apt, if it wasn't so depressing.
Report shiny new shoes please April 16, 2024 8:03 PM BST
Comedy good he call for this ExcitedLaugh
Just robbing your freedoms - like bettings , censorship , surveillance ,Panasonic , climate change

You lemmings would sell your granny & eat her - obesity Laugh

Ain't That a Kick in the Head
Report Escapee April 16, 2024 8:11 PM BST
Tories banning it for 15yo's....  It'll be worse under Starmer, he'll ban it for 10yo'sLaugh
Report Cider April 16, 2024 8:16 PM BST
It is already illegal to sell tobacco to under 18s. Surprised it passed you by.
Report Cider April 16, 2024 8:18 PM BST
It is, of course, perfectly legal to give a 17 yo a packet of cigarettes. If people can work out how to game UC and PIP, I'm sure they will cope with the challenge of distributing tobacco to anyone who wants it.
Report Escapee April 16, 2024 8:19 PM BST
The biggest impact of Covid.... everyone's sense of humour died Sad
Report Cider April 16, 2024 8:22 PM BST
The steady eradication of our way of life is quite serious! Which of course, the great panic leveraged.
Report Escapee April 16, 2024 8:37 PM BST

The steady eradication of our way of life is quite serious!


'our' way of life was based on the post war(s) redistribution of wealth from the uber rich to middle classes. The last 15 years has seen the previous 75 years rolled back and more.

'Our' way of life is unpossible with the ever increasing squeeze on bottom 75%'s ability to make ends meet.
The current extreme polarisation of wealth has not been seen since early Victorian times.
I'd suggest you have a cigarette to momentarily alleviate the stress of existing.


If the penny ever drops, then you'll see Rayner in a much better light.

Report Cider April 16, 2024 8:48 PM BST
I simply don't recognise that portrayal. Kids walk into a job where I work, after having a three party on the back of taxpayers. Earning a very decent salary, a shed load of benefits, allowances to work under hours. Driving new cars. A few weeks off 'wellbeing' a year, no questions asked. Work from home, never challenged on lack of performance. You would not believe how easy it is for them compared to my generation. The only gripe they have is that they are not immediately getting the keys to a 4 bed detached house.
Report cryoftruth April 16, 2024 8:49 PM BST
Generally if there is an issue and the stupid idiot Truss is of one opinion, it is pretty certain the the sane view will be different.
Report casemoney April 16, 2024 9:19 PM BST
Just say you have to be over 21 to Buy Either , End of Story  , How will this 15 Business wipe out Vaping ?

Its just silly ,Infact its madness , Surely if someone is 21 they have enough senses not to start either
Report Escapee April 16, 2024 9:20 PM BST

Earning a very decent salary, a shed load of benefits, allowances to work under hours. Driving new cars. A few weeks off 'wellbeing' a year


You've never mentioned what strand of industry you ply your accountancy skills in. You've given clues such as saying all your colleagues "Insist on telling you their sexual proclivities", and I guessed you might work at "Pink News" or similar.

What you're describing: new cars, decent salary, she loads of benefits. Doesn't sound like the average under 40yo joe working at a chicken factory, MaccyD's, retail, teachers, NHS, care homes etc etc etc. Even the Police are complaining about not making ends meet.

Has it occurred to you that your bubble does not give you any interaction with the fiscal bottom 75% of brits?

Report casemoney April 16, 2024 9:27 PM BST
Sounds Like the NHSBSA  , who I done a bit of Work for , As long as pronouns are in Order , you can sit around scratching your sack all day
Report Cider April 16, 2024 9:47 PM BST
Yes I prefer to retain a modicum of confidentiality.

I started at the very bottom. Doing a paper round before school in -6 temperatures on occasion, 7 days a week for a tenner and can of coke. So no, not really in a bubble.

Not everyone is going to be Elon, but there is abundant opportunity for anyone who wants to get on and has a modest level of gumption about them. There are are handouts galore, but the really decent level of living is not going to be handed to them on a gold platter (most people). They'd actually have to put some effort in and apply themselves in a quest to get on.
Report Escapee April 16, 2024 10:17 PM BST

Yes I prefer to retain a modicum of confidentiality.


very sensible. I'm not trying to pry a reveal from you, just curious how your generalisations seems to lack any knowledge of today's average joe.

and I too started life in skintsville, and with a modest level of gumption, lifted myself out of it.
I was never going to just get a job and leave my destiny to someone else.
But 95%+ of brits do just that, that is/was the way of life taught in schools, 75%+ of them could expect to live comfortably 10-20 years down the line as working or middle class. That just ain't happening anymore, they're struggling.
Forget the snowflakes with a media studies degree wanting the keys to a 4 bed house by the time their 25. look at the 30-50yo's 10-25 years into their chosen jobs. They ain't getting to middle age prime of their life with the "wealth" the previous generation did.

Forgive me for saying it, but your generalisations just don't see the difference in average joe of your time and average joe of 2024.

Report Reynard April 16, 2024 11:28 PM BST
impossible123 • April 16, 2024 7:47 PM BST
Cancer is scary. Between 1/3 and 1/2 of us will get it sometime in our life;

Most people , particularly in later life get cancer every day but the T-cells in the body (immune system) control and destroy the cancer cells .
Report TheBetterBettor April 17, 2024 12:45 AM BST
Even the characters in the movie 1984 were allowed to smoke...


Report PorcupineorPineapple April 17, 2024 9:39 AM BST
If it's the thin end of the wedge then surely all narcotics should be legalised. Why should we have a nanny state telling us that cocaine should be criminalised when the majority of people taking it do so without any signficant harm? And with heroin too - surely it's up to the adult to assess the risk, not the government.
Report lfc1971 April 17, 2024 10:10 AM BST
Not all , as with everything in life it’s a question of judgement
Report Dr Crippen April 17, 2024 10:10 AM BST
They banned cigarette vending machines on 2011. It didn't stop kids smoking, just made it awkward for regular smokers to buy cigarettes.

I remember at school, you could buy a cigarette and a match from shops near the school. And that's when had an effective police force, not the cardboard cutout posers that pass for police these days.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 17, 2024 10:11 AM BST
Speed limits on roads too, what's that about
and driving tests and age limits, and fining
folk for not having insurance, nanny state...
Report lfc1971 April 17, 2024 10:13 AM BST
Say what you will about cigarette smokers
they don’t tend to suffer from the very serious  long term mental
disorders that can be the problem with drugs .. quite the opposite possibly
Report lfc1971 April 17, 2024 10:15 AM BST
Smoking can also give some protection against Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 17, 2024 10:15 AM BST
Surely you are suffering if you are unable to give up
any addiction.
Report lfc1971 April 17, 2024 10:15 AM BST
Although that might be because you die earlier Plain
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 17, 2024 10:19 AM BST
Smoking can also give some protection against Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s



By killing you before it kicks in?
Report Dr Crippen April 17, 2024 10:31 AM BST
What this legislation will do is to open up a new industry of cigarette dealers.

They’ll be standing outside schools giving cigarettes away to get kids addicted. Once hooked they’ll charge them for the stuff.
Kids will have to go to them for their fix. Their first job will be to get kids hooked.

And with the waste of time police service we have now – who’s to stop them?
Report Dr Crippen April 17, 2024 10:31 AM BST
Cigarette smoking is sharply down, while cancer rates are sharply up.
Report Reynard April 17, 2024 10:43 AM BST
Dr Crippen • April 17, 2024 10:31 AM BST
Cigarette smoking is sharply down, while cancer rates are sharply up.

Jab is the new Tab Whoops
Report Dr Crippen April 17, 2024 10:59 AM BST
Actually there's plenty of evidence to support that. The link between the jab and cancer was noted right from the start of the vaccine campaign. The vaccine suppresses T-cells and more.
Which is why there are strong calls to withdraw it.

I wrote about it a few days ago, but edy took down the thread because they’ve been told to delete stuff like that especially if you supply credible evidence, which I had.
Report edy April 17, 2024 11:05 AM BST
Thought you had it taken down because you were caught in a likely fabrication?
Report lfc1971 April 17, 2024 11:19 AM BST
This is perhaps the worst law to have been passed
in the last 100 years imo ( and no I’m not a smoker )
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- April 17, 2024 11:28 AM BST
Actually there's plenty of evidence to support that. The link between the jab and cancer was noted right from the start of the vaccine campaign.

Absolute bollix, idiot.
Report Dr Crippen April 17, 2024 3:30 PM BST
I think Sir Walter Raleigh introduced tobacco into this country.

But he didn't die from smoking. They couldn’t wait for him die, so they chopped his head off instead and he died of that. The medical term is, Lopus headimus.
Report nineteen points April 17, 2024 5:23 PM BST
Reynard only one to call the truth.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- May 23, 2024 1:51 PM BST
Scrapped

Smoke on...
Report shiny new shoes please May 25, 2024 1:15 PM BST
Comedy gold
youtube.com/watch?v=FAaTp_WCREw
Laugh
uk-Government ran out of time to ban 'no fault' evictions-
Laugh
UK to ban sales of new diesel and gasoline cars in 2030 -
Laugh
Britain is on a glidepath to an alcohol ban
Laugh
Report shiny new shoes please May 25, 2024 1:44 PM BST
Britain restrict gambling
Laugh
Ban peaceful protesters
Laugh
amnesty.org.uk/blogs/campaigns-blog/10-famous-protests
Laugh
Britain ban holidays
Laugh
britain to ban welfare for mental
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Benefits rules to be eased for terminally ill claimants Britain's bless
W\d!

Sure like banning
Report Mexico May 25, 2024 2:12 PM BST
Shiny the “comedy gold” is your nonsense post

So
U.K. hasn’t banned smoking.
U.K. hasn’t banned gambling
U.K. hasn’t banned holidays
U.K. hasn’t banned alcohol


However…

U.K. has banned slavery
U.K. has banned handguns
U.K. has banned Opium
U.K. has banned brothels
U.K. has banned f***king 14 year olds
U.K has banned beating 12 year olds at school.
U.K. has banned driving while drunk.
U.K. has banned sending children up chimneys.

Is almost as if Parliament believes their role as elected representatives is to create laws for the U.K

OUTRAGEOUS.
Report shiny new shoes please May 25, 2024 2:22 PM BST
Angry till cashless & future crime ExcitedLaugh
wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_United_Kingdom
retailers-call-for-ai-based-face-recognition-to-combat-shoplifting
Uknews/inside-britain-s-out-of-control-shoplifting-crisis-as-even-pound-shops-are-targeted/ar-BB1n21EE?ocid=AMZN
Report edy May 25, 2024 2:28 PM BST
Shiny, why do you refuse to post proper links? You've done this in the past already. E.g. why do you post

wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_United_Kingdom

instead of (what you likely refer to)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_United_Kingdom

With that wikipedia one it's still reasonably easy to know what you likely meant, but with others it can be tough. So, seriously, why not just post the proper links?
Report edy May 25, 2024 2:30 PM BST
Would make it much easier for others to know what you actually want to communicate to them.
Report shiny new shoes please May 26, 2024 8:05 AM BST
Cry rain
Grin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullrun_(decryption_program)

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Status Quo - In The Army Now ]Laugh
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