REFORM TAKING OVER FROM TORIES....

The point of voting Reform is to facilitate the absolute destruction of the Conservative party. Followed by the absolute destruction of Labour in 2029 or sooner.

One step at a time.

It doesn't matter to previous Tory supporters if they get Labour, what can Labour do any worse than what the Tories are inflicting on us?

Vote Reform and knock a nail in the Tory socialist party. And who knows, Reform might take quite a few Labour voters as well.
Especially those at the sharp end of mass immigration.

I can see it all planning out, a mass desertion to Reform by Tories on the right, 4 years of Labour misery again,
then Farage as PM in 2029

The UK always votes for the party sitting in the centre ground. Keir Starmer has parked his tanks on what used to be Conservative land. That is why he is going to be the next PM.

The Conservatives have been hijacked by UKIP years ago. Now Brexit has failed they are branding themselves the anti-immigration party. The joke is they have let in more immigrants that anyone else ever has!!

Keir Starmer has parked his tanks on what used to be Conservative land.

What tanks?

What policies? If you know of any Labour policies I'm sure we'd all like to hear them.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/what-policies-have-uks-labour-party-announced-their-conference-2023-10-09/


you unable to google ?

Tories taken over by UKIP same as betfair forum

UKIP taken over by bnp, bnp by national front.

Refuk got as much chance as corbyn

Jonathan Gullis MP
@GullisJonathan
Vote for Reform UK, get Sir Keir Starmer and Labour.

Gullis should realise that whether you vote Conservative, Libdem or Green you will still get Sir Splinters and Labour. If you want to tell the Tory establishment what you think of their betrayals then vote Reform. A vote for Reform isn't a vote for Labour it's a vote for traditional Conservative values.

Traditional conservative values are not far right
policies of refuk.

You fascist boys jumping ship from tories will sink
both ships.

Brilliant

I will not vote for the weak ,bland ,centrist woke liberals ,currently calling themselves conservative.
My position politically has not changed ,theirs has.
The Labour leaders were kneeling like performing seals ,these conservatives are appeasing clowns. no difference.

Labour don't need too many policies.

Just not being like the Conservatives will be enough.

Not being incompetent, not being totally corrupt, not being serial liars...

I think the danger (and it's big) is that the right wing has imploded so badly that there will be no opposition. A functioning democracy needs a good opposition to challenge it. The opposition for the next five years will basically be a bunch of weirdos on gbeebies. I think we'll likely see some labour mp's and ministers getting lazy and this will lead to corruption as they've seen it be the norm for the last decade.

There is no far right of any significance in this country, that's just left-wing hyperbole.
There is centre-right, centre-left and far left, the main far-left party pretending to occupy the centre. They will show their true colours soon after gaining power by deception.

They've spent the last few years framing anyone who doesn't agree with their ideology weirdos, far right, fascist, nazi. Basically anyone who doesn't agree with the 'opinions' (propaganda) put out by the bbc is in the fruit loop camp.

This form of othering has been effective. It's been a long, long time in the making, but they will get what they wanted.

The 'incompetence' that Norbert touches on however lays deep within the bowels of permanent gvnt. ie the civil service. For example, they are issuing tens of thousands of work visas to people who are claiming to be working for businesses that don't exist. Now a minimum wage person could identify within 5 minutes if a care home actually exists or not. So this can only lead to one conclusion, that if the supposed highly qualified people handing out visas are giving them out when they know they are fraudulent applications, it's wilful neglect and corruption, not incompetence. It seems that people do actually think that politicians run the operations of gvnt

A genuine insider, immigration lawyer has said that 80% of the work visa applications have been found by the compliance team to be fraudulent. Once they have been given the visa though that is job done as far as the home office is concerned, they ain't going to be sent back.

Personally, fwiw, I see a lab/ref coalition in gov next time around.

Mar 31, 2024 -- 10:55AM, Foinavon wrote:

There is no far right of any significance in this country, that's just left-wing hyperbole.There is centre-right, centre-left and far left, the main far-left party pretending to occupy the centre. They will show their true colours soon after gaining power by deception.

Oh boy oh boy, volkseigene Betriebe doing Planwirtschaft?

Mar 31, 2024 -- 11:23AM, ericster wrote:

Personally, fwiw, I see a lab/ref coalition in gov next time around.

You should be able to get around 1000/1 on that, I would have thought.

No far right of any significance to the right of fascist foinavon

Labour will split if they get huge majority

And we get re alignment and hopefully proportional
representation in 10 years or so and more consensus
politics away from the extremes, and that will
work better for all of us.

We have lived by ‘ consensus ‘ government policies these last decades ..
It’s been a disaster

Mar 31, 2024 -- 1:27PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:

Labour will split if they get huge majorityAnd we get re alignment and hopefully proportionalrepresentation in 10 years or so and more consensuspolitics away from the extremes, and that willwork better for all of us.

Definitely. The First Past The Post system currently used at Westminster is totally out of date.

If Labour win the next GE.

Please can we have our NHS back.
Please can we have our police force back.
Please can we have cheap energy back?
Please can we have controlled immigration back?
Please can we have our public transport back?
Please can we have our free speech back?
Please can we have London, Bradford, Rochdale, etc back? 

Well Sir Kneeler, what’s the chances of getting any of those back? If the answer is nil, then you can sod right off along with the Tories.

Mar 31, 2024 -- 12:21PM, yak hunt wrote:

Mar 31, 2024 -- 11:23AM, ericster wrote:Personally, fwiw, I see a lab/ref coalition in gov next time around.You should be able to get around 1000/1 on that, I would have thought.

Not quoted on bf mate.
But lab maj 1.2 the lay, what's not to like ?
Just a small one-off.

It's the other way around Crip as I see it, the Tories have simply doing the softening up and groundwork for whatever (as yet undisclosed) joy we have coming. As I've mentioned before, the HoC, RF, civil service, bbc, quangos, HoL, NHS, public service leadership, legacy media, local authorities and judiciary will all be aligned. God help us.

In 2021, 81.7% (48.7 million) of usual residents in England and Wales identified their ethnic group within the high-level "White" category, a decrease from 86.0% (48.2 million) in the 2011 Census.

As part of the "White" ethnic group, 74.4% (44.4 million) of the total population in England and Wales identified their ethnic group as "English, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish or British", this is a continued decrease from 80.5% (45.1 million) in 2011, and from 87.5% (45.5 million) who identified this way in 2001.

So the sequence of people living in Britain/NI who consider themselves British (or from one of the home nations) is:

87.5% > 80.5% > 74.4% > ?

When will they get to the magic sub 50% ?

First past the post system has one very important advantage
It enables a party and a country to effect change ( as long as those
within accept that change is what the people want) this conservative , and the next labour
But the old and weak and defeated parts of these parties Con, Lab are fighting against change
They have to be swept away for progress to be made

People are forgetting that whoever wins the next GE will have just £5/- to fix the country.

f all to do with money. we already spend to incredible excess (or invest as the Labour mob like to call it)

Mexico - led by donkeys - few minutes spare
youtube.com/watch?v=mfyiSk8Rjc8

Cider 3.22pm. Your figures for white population are basically the same since 2001(-600k).  The reason it is decreasing as a percentage is the very high legal immigration. 
If the Torys had another couple of terms in power it would probably be quite near 60% if their recent record is anything to go by.
Not why you voted them in but they certainly pulled your pants down.

/\ Birth rate - fertility

Population has grown from 59m 2001 to 68 million roughly today= circa 15% increase.

As part of the "White" ethnic group, 74.4% (44.4 million) of the total population in England and Wales identified their ethnic group as "English, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish or British", this is a continued decrease from 80.5% (45.1 million) in 2011, and from 87.5% (45.5 million) who identified this way in 2001.


This is the proportion of white people in England and Wales that consider themselves British (or one of the home nations). It has gone from 87.5% to 74.4% in just 20 years (and that is via the self declaring census).

How many people would risk their lives fighting for a country they identify as coming from?

I should imagine the drop in that group of fighting age is even more dramatic.

March 31, 2024 5:12
get ready for a bust - it's coming
Tik\tok!
hyoutube.com/watch?v=YQ48XAQEwOI

^ It has decreased by 45.5m to 44.4m = just over -2%(yep birth rate,cost etc) but the population itself has increased by 15% due to government led immigration policies.

They are two different variables. Yes of course exploding population via immigration is a problem but that is more economic and quality of life. The country that people identify as is existential, if too many people living in a country don't identifying as coming from that country, it ceases to be a country. As we seen in covid, if times get tough they'll just feck off.

Aren't they right to feck off? They are in the most part doing the jobs you don't want to do for minimum wage.

Only provided the answer to the question,you are lamenting the declining indigenous(not wrongly) but you also supported the politicians that allows it.

Not sure you would have a very high percentage of indigenous doing a lot for monarchy or politicians either.

If they don't come from the UK they won't identify as British.


If they are British living in Spain they still
identify as british

Not sure what else you would expect

In my adult lifetime there has been two plausible political parties of gvnt.

They both supported membership of the EU (de facto mass uncontrolled immigration).

The public went against all of them and voted to leave the EU (and end mass uncontrolled immigration).

After many years of the establishment trying to avoid implementing the democratic decision, one of those parties promised to implement it and heavily controlled immigration.

They lied. And in office have actually done the complete opposite, and leveraged record immigration.

And the only semblance of a reason to vote Conservative now is to prevent Labour. Since the Tories are Labour in all but name, even that reason has evaporated.

Up to them if they go down the tory road and end up being loathed.

Not a good plan.

edy
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Mar 31, 2024 -- 10:55AM, Foinavon wrote:

There is no far right of any significance in this country, that's just left-wing hyperbole.There is centre-right, centre-left and far left, the main far-left party pretending to occupy the centre. They will show their true colours soon after gaining power by deception.


Oh boy oh boy, volkseigene Betriebe doing Planwirtschaft?


Don't be so old fashioned, edy, we are not the Soviet Union. The state sector is already more than 40% of the economy and the rest is mired in red tape. Things will not improve under Labour.
I am trying to reduce my Weltschmerz by not trying to reason with the unreasonable (edy not counted amongst those of course ).

"This is the proportion of white people in England and Wales that consider themselves British (or one of the home nations). It has gone from 87.5% to 74.4% in just 20 years (and that is via the self declaring census)."

The U K is fecked..... last one out......

So many people looking to cast a vote on the basis of what they're voting against. So, here's some info on what they'd be voting for.


Meet some of Reform UK’s candidates:

- Convicted animal abuser barred from owning a dog.

- ‘Fortune teller’ who sold ‘mystic psychic readings’ on onlyfans.

- David Icke fan who claimed ‘Zionism puts agents in places of power’

- Former Cllr booted out for claiming ‘the whole anti-Semitism thing is a false flag, probably masterminded by Mossad/CIA'.

- Conspiracy theorist who claims the pandemic was an ‘illusion' that had been 'planned' by the Government 'since 2016'.

- Crank who claims the Covid vaccine was the 'greatest crime against humanity’



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13255781/amp/Reform-UK-surged-polls-party-harbours-unsavoury-rogues-candidate-Tommy-Robinson-Covid-conspiracy-theorist-likened-animal-abuser.html





Let's be honest, when the next campaign begins and Reform actually have to answer to proper journalists it'll be beyond hilarious.

The Tories plan B party is fast becoming planned A but they are both Tories with the same non-values

The fact that the DM ran such a story shows how worried the Tories are becoming about Reform. Do you think any of those highlighted will be elected Porky?

Curves my a$$
Lapsy pa •
Immigration helps

2024/03/22/drop-in-birth-rates-points-to-population-crisis

I'm surprised that extreme lefties like PoP even read the Mail let alone give credence to their journalism.
Reform will be standing a candidate in every seat. A competent journalist worth his salt should be able to dig up a bit of controversy about a handful of them and mould and manipulate it into clickbait.

How long have you got. I spent about 5 minutes. Let's be honest, could find plenty more.


Labour MP Claudia Webbe was found guilty of harassment for threatening a woman with acid and sharing naked photos

Labour MP received £500,000 in funding from Chinese Communist

Diane Abbott was suspended as a Labour MP on Sunday for "antisemitic" comments made in a letter published in the Observer.

Labour's deputy leader Angela Rayner has "unreservedly" apologised for comments made at her party's conference where she called Conservatives "scum"

Keith Vaz, the former Labour minister, has been reprimanded and faces a ban from the parliamentary estate after being found to have engaged in “sustained and unpleasant bullying”

Zarah Sultana, whose antics on Wednesday’s Politics Live went somewhat under the radar in light of the conduct of others in parliament. In the programme, the left-wing MP made a number of outlandish claims of the kind that have characterised her brief – but inglorious – political career. These included the suggestion that the fossil fuel industry should be replaced with teachers and carers, that the Democrats lost the Virginia gubernatorial race because Joe Biden wasn’t – shock! – left wing enough and that she feels ‘incredibly unsafe in the chamber’ because some Tories don’t wear masks in the Commons.

The Young Labour executive member also used racial slurs to brand Jewish students as ‘YT’ and ‘the white woman’ with other posts stating that students supporting Zionism were ‘advocating a racist ideology… and champion[ing] a state created through ethnic cleansing, sustained through occupation, apartheid and war crimes.’

MP Neil Coyle has been suspended by the Labour Party after allegations he made racist comments.

Political journalist Henry Dyer has made a formal complaint to the parliamentary authorities about the MP.

Mr Dyer, who is of British-Chinese heritage, says Mr Coyle used racial slurs and made him feel uncomfortable at an incident in a Commons bar.

Following his suspension, Mr Coyle said he was "very sorry for my insensitive comments".

Need extra forums to list the tory miscreants
such is the depth and breadth of their offending
including 2 prime ministers with criminal records.

Yes, no party is 'clean'. I'm simply pointing out the obvious hypocrisy of pointing out alleged 'flaws' of people that are simply prospective candidates. All of the Labour ones I've noted have been put into parliament, and some on the front bench/ministerial positions.

Jared Cain O'Mara (born 15 November 1981) is a British convicted fraudster and former Labour politician who was Member of Parliament (MP) for Sheffield Hallam from 2017 to 2019.

Former Labour MP Jared O'Mara has been found guilty of making fraudulent expenses claims to fund a cocaine habit while in office.

O'Mara, 41, was convicted today of six counts of fraud after trying to claim around £24,000 of taxpayers' money for his 'extravagant lifestyle'.

The 41-year-old, who represented the constituency of Sheffield Hallam from 2017 to 2019, went on trial for submitting 'dishonest' invoices to the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (Ipsa) between June and August 2019.

Leeds Crown Court heard that he made four claims for a total of £19,400 from a 'fictitious' organisation called Confident About Autism South Yorkshire, which jurors were told referred to his friend, John Woodliff.

O'Mara also submitted a false contract of employment for Woodliff, 'pretending' he worked as a constituency support officer.

lol

Cider,
You seem to miss the obvious that you're talking about ex-Labour politicians whereas the Reform candidates are current.

If a political party with the resources of Labour can select dozens of 'wrong 'uns' certainly one with limited resources such as Reform is likely to select some. ie Reform is not immune to such things. I would have thought the point was obvious. Reform are no different to any other party in that respect.

I'll repeat what I said as you obviously can't differentiate between past and current.

Apr 1, 2024 -- 6:37PM, Foinavon wrote:

The fact that the DM ran such a story shows how worried the Tories are becoming about Reform. Do you think any of those highlighted will be elected Porky?

Don't think any reform mp's will get elected in all honesty.

But are you suggesting they're not representative of Reform and that the party aren't happy to have them standing for them?

For Labour Party managers, the disclosure that Rochdale by-election candidate Azhar Ali had been recorded saying that Israel let Hamas perpetrate the October 7 massacre to create a pretext for invading Gaza was a nightmare come true – for two reasons.

The first was that it forced the party to suspend him, paving the way for the pro-Palestinian insurgent George Galloway to seize the seat.

But according to party sources, the second consequence was equally horrendous: it indicated that Ali had slipped through their “due diligence” net – a system thought to be the most rigorous in Labour history – which in turn delayed their election preparation.


“Ali’s case delayed the continuing process of approving general election candidates by about a month,” a senior Labour official, speaking on condition of anonymity, told the JC. “We realised there had to be even stricter due diligence than we already had.”

But the process, he went on, was now robust. In 1997, when Tony Blair won a landslide majority with 145 more Labour MPs than there had been before the election, the party knew little about some of their backgrounds. This, he maintained, was an error it would not repeat.

It's achingly obvious Charlie that pineapple would not post anything negative about prospective Labour candidates, or in fact actual Labour MPs. He is however quite happy to pay along with the smearing of Reform.

Nope.


I'm all for it. Really want Reform to run with these candidates and more like them. God knows we could all do with a giggle after the last couple of years.

And do please tell how simply printing honest facts about these people is smearing them. All ears.

I look forward to similar posts from you relating to the prospective candidates of other parties running. Including Labour.



a smear is an effort to damage or call into question someone's reputation, by propounding negative propaganda

in case you weren't sure, a definition of propaganda:


information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view

Apr 1, 2024 -- 8:47PM, Cider wrote:

I look forward to similar posts from you relating to the prospective candidates of other parties running. Including Labour. a smear is an effort to damage or call into question someone's reputation, by propounding negative propaganda

Again sweetcheeks, I was pointing out what you're voting FOR. You've done nothing to say why you're supporting these people, and can only say what you're voting AGAINST.

Apr 1, 2024 -- 8:50PM, Cider wrote:

in case you weren't sure, a definition of propaganda:information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view

And if you're gonna take your definitions from wiki rather than a dictionary, please don't cut out the bit where it says it's not untrue.

I know it's difficult, try to follow. Every party running candidates has its fair share of fruit loops. Both pre and post selection. People voting for the party's representatives are not voting in the most part for the fruit loops. Believe it or not, for example I don't believe those who voted Labour were voting for a cocaine sniffing fraudster.

Apr 1, 2024 -- 8:50PM, Cider wrote:

in case you weren't sure, a definition of propaganda:information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view

You must be a good few drinks in if the best you can do is a wiki search for smear, actually land on smear campaign and then cherry pick a line from propaganda.



For what it's worth, an actual dictionary such as the OED defines this sense of smear as to discredit, with no need to go round the houses like you've done. And I could counter any accusations of discrediting with the simple fact these accusations are the truth. So what am I supposed to be discrediting them with?

Apr 1, 2024 -- 8:58PM, Cider wrote:

I know it's difficult, try to follow. Every party running candidates has its fair share of fruit loops. Both pre and post selection. People voting for the party's representatives are not voting in the most part for the fruit loops. Believe it or not, for example I don't believe those who voted Labour were voting for a cocaine sniffing fraudster.

Again, this has been covered.


You're simply repeating what you're voting AGAINST. But if you think Reform deserve your vote, then you are voting FOR them.



We've heard what you're against. But you keep dodging who and what you're for.

It was the first result in the search. ffs if you don't think the DM piece wasn't a smear attack on Reform, I can no longer help.

If you're looking for a definition and can't make your way past wiki then you've got far bigger problems than voting for those guys.

I've not made any firm decisions on where my vote is going. I have however outlined on here already that I would not be voting for the Tory incumbent (if he runs) due to him voting for terrible covid legislation.

Fair enough. Well I'll consider you grateful for me bringing to your attention these prospective Reform candidates so you know just that bit more about the party when you do come to decide on your vote.

Presumably, the background of several of the Labour MPs I've outlined for you here means you won't be voting for them if they run again (if such things are pivotal to your voting decisions)

But are you suggesting they're not representative of Reform and that the party aren't happy to have them standing for them?

All I'm suggesting is that the sample was carefully selected by Mail journalists Glen Owen and Daisy Graham-Brown and presented in such a way as to try and cast the party in a bad light. I mean "called a Labour MP a bitch", goodness me is that somehow worse than Rayner calling Tories "scum"? The main difference I see is that the unnamed man is a prospective candidate, Rayner is deputy leader of the Labour Party.

We've had several years of the right wing eating its own. You should be used to it by now.


And sorry, if the best you can do is pretend cry about someone calling tories scum, you need to toughen up a bit.

voting for Reform is the same as voting for the Monster Raving Lunatic party or spoiling your ballot paper

The candidates listed will all be to the left of the forum groovy gang.

Hth

Judge says its OK to call tory scum.

What happened to good manners and dignity?

Lefties are common as muck

Nice of you to demonstrate your good manners and dignity.

A shining beacon amongst the tory scum, oh hang on...

Yes I am common I prefer it that way
but never bad mannered or rude- but the lefties seem powerless to
stop themselves ! that’s the difference

Angela Rayner says she will apologise for calling
Boris Johnson “ Scum “ when he retracts past comments
she described as homophobic , racist and misogynistic

Say what you will about Boris he was never even under the greatest pressure
personally abusive

And we have Ms Rayner saying she will apologise for using personally abusive language ..
by being even more abusive !

That’s not an apology is it ? the lefties don’t get it ,lol

He was personally abusive as the Covid enquiry showed.

scandanavian_haven • April 1, 2024 9:46 PM BST
voting for Reform is the same as voting for the Monster Raving Lunatic party or spoiling your ballot paper

It matters not who is elected to parliament for it is not elected MP's that formulate legislation .
That is the role of unelected global bodies such as the WEF and the WHO amongst others . If one hasn't worked that out yet then I suggest one trots along on the given Thursday and wastes an hour of ones day exercising ones democratic right to satisfy ones false perception that one still lives in a free democratic country

no surprise there then

You seem to think I care about the Tories, Porky, you are an even bigger fool than I thought.

well that's nice

That’s not an apology is it ? the lefties don’t get it ,lol

I apologise if what I said offended anyone, yeah right. That’s wot insincere Righties say

I don't give Reform any chance of having an MP elected to Westminster, unless a current Conservative MP with a huge majority jumps ship and stands for them.

Reynard  Well said.

Judge says its OK to call tory scum.

I do not like such sweeping generalisations myself.

Some Tories are not scum.

If I have learned one thing about the UK and its true population on this forum, it is that the silent majority should carry Reform to an easy majority at the next general elections already.

You've picked up a bit of sarcasm too, edy, and
use it with great precision.

Reform are a one trick pony and will be exposed. The Tory Scum will be back eventually

Reform should have infiltrated the Tories but ego’s are at play

They did infiltrate them, but are now splitting so as not
to be smeared by association.

Rats off a sinking shit

Meet some of Reform UK’s candidates:

- Convicted animal abuser barred from owning a dog.

- ‘Fortune teller’ who sold ‘mystic psychic readings’ on onlyfans.

- David Icke fan who claimed ‘Zionism puts agents in places of power’

- Former Cllr booted out for claiming ‘the whole anti-Semitism thing is a false flag, probably masterminded by Mossad/CIA'.

- Conspiracy theorist who claims the pandemic was an ‘illusion' that had been 'planned' by the Government 'since 2016'.

- Crank who claims the Covid vaccine was the 'greatest crime against humanity’

Reform UK is polling in 3rd place nationally. It needs to get serious about vetting.
https://dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13255781/amp/Reform-UK-surged-polls-party-harbours-unsavoury-rogues-candidate-Tommy-Robinson-Covid-conspiracy-theorist-likened-animal-abuser.html
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from https://twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1774358293567135837
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I believe the article explains that the convicted animal abuser claimed he was protecting his family from an aggressive dog. I can believe that.

He was convicted though and it was quite recent, surely best for everyone if they replaced him imo.