ISRAEL :

They seem to have caught a lot of Palestinian reporters,independent reports may be a negative,you cannot hide the killing of 15 medics or children playing and shot in the back.

When there’s no release of civilians, then the mill about at the behest of terrorist Hamas
So logically, it’s always going to happen.

If you don’t want Hamas to have to face up to what they did and have to be left alone to fight Israel, then this is the result.

Israeli terrorist are also torturing and raping men and women in Israeli jails. They are no different to Hamas but over 50% of the Israeli public supports Genocide, torture and rape then cry like biatches if they receive some of the treatment their armed forces mete out.

Palestinian doctors working in Gaza have accused Israeli forces of using electric shocks, turning medics into human shields and repeatedly torturing them after arresting them without charge.

Dr Khaled Al-Serr, a surgeon at Al-Nasser Hospital in Khan Younis, said the Israeli military raided the facility on two different occasions, arresting dozens of medical workers as they treated injured Palestinians.

He alleged that when he was detained in March last year, he was stripped naked alongside four others and forced to act as a human shield before being taken to Sde Teiman military detention centre in southern Israel.

There, he said he was coerced into making confessions while handcuffed for three months even while asleep, beaten so badly his ribs broke, and interrogated about the hospital.

His account comes as the UN said on Monday that Israel killed 15 more medical and emergency workers as they attempted to rescue the injured from the southern city of Rafah.

More than 250 Palestinian medics – including doctors, nurses and paramedics – are believed to have been held in Israel since the war in Gaza erupted in October 2023, according to human rights’ group Physicians for Human Rights Israel (PHRI), who claim 180 are still behind bars “without due process or clarity”.

Zedd - Clarity ft. Foxes

bbc.com/news/uk-68722758

This is what they crave
Exploring Extremism
Dull decades ago
Yet still addicted

Israel’s defence minister has said the country intends to “seize large areas” of the Gaza Strip amid a major expansion of aerial and ground operations in the besieged Palestinian territory.

Israel Katz said in a statement on Wednesday that “troops will move to clear areas of terrorists and infrastructure, and seize extensive territory that will be added to the state of Israel’s security areas”.




NOT ETHNIC CLEANSING. REPEAT. DEFINITELY NOT ETHNIC CLEANSING.

Is this war back on again, in full? I'm out of touch.

Don't think there was ever a "full on war". There was a horrible atrocity, and then years of bombardments by one side on another. If that's what you mean, then yeah, it's still going on.

Israel apologists are weirdos.

If you're a racist and believe in ethnic cleansing (genocide even): just keep it to yourself.

Indeed,war isn't the word at all.

19 Palestinians were killed yesterday including 9 children on a strike on a UN clinic sheltering displaced people.

Israel said it was 'targeting' Hamas.

That brings you up to date,given your concern with grooming gangs and children you must rightly feel appalled.

Strange how targeting Hamas (who they actually killed) tends to find them at UN facilities.
But it’s apparently a constant theme.

While certain people sit around waiting on any news other than Hamas kills, the IDF get on with business.
It’s the only way given the circumstances and is bound to result in some non Hamas getting caught up in it
Like I said, if you unilaterally decide this conflict has to be treated differently as to where civilians roam, then it’s going to happen.

I notice nothing gets said about how they have nobbled Hamas and their capability, almost entirely eradicated Iran’s proxy of Hezbollah, wiped out the entire Syrian airforce in a couple of evenings and now get ready to finish Iran’s brutal punishment of their own people.

The IDF business is Genocide and that aim is supported by a majority of the people of Israel who are no better than Hamas.

Do not buy anything from Israel. Do not vote for Labour Friends of Israel

Parliamentary supporters of LFI
As of February 2022, the Officers, sitting MPs, Lords and former members who were supporters of LFI are set out below.

Officers
Labour (unless otherwise stated)

Jon Pearce: Chair[27]
Damien Egan: Vice-Chair[28]
Mike Tapp: Vice-Chair[28]
Jo White: Vice-Chair[28]
Rosie Cooper
Chris Evans
Sharon Hodgson
Diana Johnson
Peter Kyle
Pat McFadden
Conor McGinn
Catherine McKinnell
Rachel Reeves
John Spellar[29]
Meta Ramsay, Baroness Ramsay of Cartvale[29]
Jonathan Reynolds
Sitting MPs

Shadow Secretary of State for Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Affairs, David Lammy is a supporter of Labour Friends of Israel[22][30]
Labour (unless otherwise stated)

Mike Amesbury
Fleur Anderson
Hilary Benn
Nick Brown
Chris Bryant[31]
Liam Byrne
Neil Coyle
Feryal Clark
Yvette Cooper
Jon Cruddas
Janet Daby
Wayne David
Angela Eagle
Maria Eagle
Chris Elmore
Florence Eshalomi
Barry Gardiner
Preet Gill
Mary Glindon
Lilian Greenwood
Nia Griffith
Carolyn Harris
Fabian Hamilton
Margaret Hodge
George Howarth
Dan Jarvis
Darren Jones
Kevan Jones
Mike Kane
Liz Kendall
David Lammy[22][30]
Kim Leadbeater
Chris Matheson
Siobhain McDonagh
Stephen Morgan
Alex Norris
Taiwo Owatemi
Toby Perkins
Jess Phillips
Bridget Phillipson
Lucy Powell
Virendra Sharma
Barry Sheerman
Jeff Smith
Karin Smyth
Keir Starmer
Wes Streeting
Graham Stringer
Gareth Thomas
Emily Thornberry
Karl Turner
Derek Twigg
Christian Wakeford
Rosie Winterton
Sitting Lords
Labour (unless otherwise stated)

Donald Anderson, Baron Anderson of Swansea
Baroness Armstrong of Hill Top
Jeremy Beecham, Baron Beecham
Lord Blunkett
Lord Boateng
Lord Clarke of Hampstead
Lord Collins of Highbury
Baroness Crawley
Lord Desai
Lord Donoughue
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock
Baroness Gale[22]
Lord Grantchester
Lord Hain
Lord Harrison
Lord Haskel
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town
Lord Hughes of Woodside
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath
Baroness Kennedy of Cradley
Lord Kennedy of Southwark
Baroness Kinnock of Holyhead
Lord Levy
Baroness Liddell of Coatdyke
Lord Livermore
John Maxton
Paul Murphy, Baron Murphy of Torfaen
Lord Rooker
Lord Stone of Blackheath
Lord Tomlinson
Lord Touhig
Lord Turnberg (Independent)
Lord Watts
Lord Winston
Lord Wood of Anfield
Lord Young of Norwood Green
Former members
David Abrahams, former Treasurer[32]
Lord Archer of Sandwell[33]
Sir Stuart Bell[34]
Luciana Berger, former Director of LFI[35]
Tony Blair, former Prime Minister[36][37]
Gordon Brown, former Prime Minister[36][37][38]
Stephen Byers, former Secretary of State for Trade and Industry
Andrew Dismore
Michael Dugher[39]
Derek Foster
Anthony Greenwood, first Chair of LFI (1957)[4]
Andrew Gwynne
Baroness Hayman
Joan Humble
Barbara Keeley
Jane Kennedy, Chair of LFI (2007)
Ivan Lewis, former vice-chair of LFI[40]
Lord Macdonald of Tradeston
Denis MacShane
Steve McCabe, former Parliamentary chair (from 2020 to 2024)
Michael McCann, Vice-chair of LFI[41]
Anne McGuire, Chair of LFI (2013)[10]
Jonathan Mendelsohn, former Chair of LFI (2002)[42]
Alun Michael, former Leader of the Welsh Labour Party
Andrew Miller
Jim Murphy, former Chair of LFI (2001), former Secretary of State for Scotland[43]
Dan Norris
Nick Palmer
James Purnell, former Chair of LFI, former Secretary of State for Work and Pensions[44]
John Reid, former Home Secretary (2007)[45]
Terry Rooney
Dari Taylor
Gary Titley
Glenis Willmott, Vice Chair of LFI
Lord Winston
John Woodcock[46]
Iain Wright, former Chair of LFI (2006)
Lord Young of Norwood Green

Meanwhile the Labour MPs who are really at risk of losing their seats next time out
Are the ones who got voted in having already sacrificed the indigenous working class vote to pander to the Islamic vote.
Who now can’t even keep them happy.

Wrong. Ashcroft lost his seat and Jess Phillips barely survived. Now they have also upset the old and working class people in favour of the rich voters can express their sanction.

The only problem is who to vote for?

There are very few options. The Tories are a busted flush and Reform are the same Liars behind Brexit that has made us all worse off.

So when politics in this country uses the affiliations of things going off in other countries, as their main policy, that’s ok is it?

The public don’t care, nor do they have any impact on what Israel does or doesn’t do….they do get inconvenienced by the tedious protests in their cities though
That have no impact.

The heavily subsidies blue rinse mob will be voting Green
The Islamic in society will vote for some Islamic block based on where their loyalties lie
And the majority of those left disenfranchised will vote for the populist.

The public do care about injustice. Thatcher called Mandela a terrorist. Public goods and sporting boycotts changed that country.

A boycott and shunning of Israel will do the same. Their people should not be allowed to travel to the UK if they support Genocide.

I see Hungary just left the ICC so they can continue trading with Israel.

You don’t get F35 fighters unless you play nicely with Israel, it’s written in the law

Infact fighting injustice is one of the main things that is a characteristic of being BRITISH. You dusty have more in common with the likes of the Taliban and Iran's Revolutionary Guard. I am sure the incel's on here would enjoy beating up women.

I hope your betting is better than your speculation, because that sucks ass

I think I have a point dusty. You do not share British values of tolerance and you do not oppose injustice.

What British values do you have?

Awesome to get two consecutive posts from the same poster where he literally argues against his own point. Hats off.

My values are in my DNA, you think you make the rules for what constitutes British?
My ancestors going all the way back contributed to this country, some died in fields fighting for it.

Pop, the F35 fighters are what the Arab countries want.
You know the ones, those who you think are all peace loving by nature.

Did your black ancestors build Stonehenge dusty?

Your dna seems to be incel and racism and generally hatred of most things.

You cannot even point out what your British values are. You don't know what British values are!

Ok then WD

If it the ‘British’ thing to support Palestine, and that you believe you are correct in your belief they are being hard done by and the majority here think that too.

Tell me how many parties come the next election will be using Palestine as their main vote inducer?
Other than the Islamic party that is.

You don’t half talk bs

What are your core British values dusty?

Britain doesn’t have a written constitution, what was given to trust for hundreds of years got abused in recent years by those coming out with rubbish
What we know now is we do actually need one.

Let me guess, queueing or talking about the weather?

What about this deffo vote winner then, Palestine?
How many parties will have it as their campaigning theme?
And how many will have immigration because it will be a headline attraction?

The idea that you know Islamic party will be using Palestine as a vote winner, which shows they are more interested in Foriegn issues than those here….
And that the mainstream parties won’t be, because people here don’t care more for it than home grown issue
And that immigration, and quite likely rape gangs will be a vote puller

Tells you all you need to know

Blimey,

Was just asking you if you knew what British Values were as your views seem more closely aligned to the Taliban and the Islamic Revolutionary Guards of Iran.

Your argument has been dumped.

I said the British don’t care, you tried telling me they did, I asked if they will show in the political manifestos, and you know they won’t

Apr 3, 2025 -- 12:54PM, dustybin wrote:

Pop, the F35 fighters are what the Arab countries want.You know the ones, those who you think are all peace loving by nature.

Can you even exist without just making up strawmen? Like will your lungs stop functioning if you have to read and engage with the points made, rather than have to make your own up?

fwiw, I think most people on this site are ok, even the ones I disagree with. Saddo seems like he'd be a decent pint, case would be too if you could tear him away from his phone. Cider's a bit locked in his world but still think he's decent at heart. There's only one guy who makes my skin itch. If I had to take a punt right now, I'd say dusty is divorced after slapping his missus one too many times and isn't allowed near his kids, hence his many solitary hours on his bike or glued to youtube. He just gives me the ick.

Yeah I know
You get frustrated because I don’t allow your bs to carry, I get it
Not that it bothers me

Now be a good lad and go and watch the bbc;s very own 3 parter on the subject and find out how and why Saudis Arabia agreed to recognise Israel.

I mean it’s not as though I and all non lefties reading don’t already know you know nothing about the subject matter
But if you bothered to be even slightly interested in the police of the region
You’d have already known that MBS had committed to a decade on bombing the p1ss out of Yemen…something you don’t care much about apparently
But buying pretty good stock of weapons wouldn’t cut it
I think , ‘all the gear’ comes to mind
So he wanted even better gear
But America wouldn’t sell it to anyone who wasn’t friendly with Israel
SA, themselves nuts deep in the sectarian game thought about it, and decided to come in from the cold

*politics

Seems he is getting annoyed because he does not know what British values are

They include recognising Israel’s right to go after Hamas

What you constitute as ‘fair play’ isn’t significant enough to be a vote winner and you know it

sweet jesus, he thinks he can school me on the middle east after watching a documentary now.

I can, and regularly do school you on the years of reading The Economist

The fact you don’t subscribe to it means I have to give you samples of the truth you can access.

But America wouldn’t sell it to anyone who wasn’t friendly with Israel


I'll give you a clue. There won't be many more. But if you remember back many, many (oh so many months ago) one of us told the other that one of the prime motivations for the Hamas attack was to drive a wedge between Israel and Saudi. Maybe go back and save yourself some hours playing catch up.

Was reading The Economist earlier. Go check your edition from October 19th last year. Less than six months ago. A Trump fan like you will love it.

So?

Everyone and their dog knows the difference between Sunnis and Shiites….
Though I wouldn’t have any confidence that you could explain it tbh.

But you didn’t know about the F35 though?
Or the bombing of Yemen….or did you just not have the selective empathy activated over that decade?

...and compare it against the edition coming out this week

What an idiot

You think The Economist deals just with economics?

oh dear, someone's gospel has sprung a leak

How?

What is my gospel?

You have nothing beyond glib and bluster.

I like taking the piss out of knobs. It's my weakness. I apologise.

Your brain is your weakness.

Bibi applauds Hungary's ICC exit on Budapest visit

Who's next ????  Germany , UK , ?? USA

A good war criminal obv.  Such deka
System bastardized - 
So you can survive when law is lawless
Qatargate:
Jessie J - Price Tag ft. B.o.B

Putin will never be arrested now - & countless others - congratulations
Its all just a sh1tshow now ---
Consequences???
People fight back': Military expert warns
No sh1t Sherlock
Avril Lavigne - Complicated

The continued, now multi-year long smugness about being a reader of The Holy Economist is already a bit funny.

always

BBQ but bbq
Kids , aid workers , food, civilians , mass graves
ERA : Ameno 2010 – Remix
Christians eh ...
Bottom of the barrel Stuff -
The hypocrisy never ends - same as it ever waz
No turning back
So dangerous its insane
Hope your ready - never ends well
Law is lawless
Such a dirty word COLLUSION

Gaza faces ‘largest orphan crisis’ in modern history,
Jesus wept
don't ya get bored of the hypocrisy?
Master of Puppets

The video of the massacre of the 15 medics is on BBC news, a slaughter and justified by a pack of lies from the israelis.

Yisraelis are always lying.

Was another lovely example of this:


1. We haven't heard reports of deaths, will check into it;
2. The people were killed, but by a faulty Palestinian rocket/bomb;
3. OK we killed them, but they were terrorists;
4. OK they were civilians, but they were being used as human shields;
5. OK there were no fighters in the area, so it was our mistake. But we kill civilians by accident, they do it on purpose;
6. OK we kill far more civilians that they do, but look at how terrible other countries are!
7. Why are you still talking about Israel? Are you some kind of anti-semite?

No one Hamas,lights on ambulances like Blackpool illuminations,driving down a road,not very suspicious, 7 minutes of gunfire,threw the bodies into a shallow grave.

That looks the truth.

Yet again Israel getting judged to a standard absolutely nobody else lives up to.
Hamas have been found using UN facilities and riding around in ambulances, they target civilians as par for the course
The charities and Red Cross orgs wouldn’t be needed if civilians were removed from the theatre of war (unless people think Hamas deserve their own emergency medical unit?)

America kill civilians, their allies and even their own soldiers by mistake pretty regularly, it’s what happens in conflict.

Any single testimony, or clip is used to denounce Israel, while total ignorance for every brutal activity by all others is ignored.
Log the complaint, let adjudication take place once the conflict is over, until then it’s no reason to stop the hunting of Hamas.
(Btw, what is that one of the guys is carrying as he runs infront of the headlights….that looks rather like a gun?)
If it looks like a gun, and Hamas use ambulances….then IDF are going to consider it a gun.

Israel's furtive cover-up only came to light two weeks after the massacre. If Israel has no conscience about deceiving the world, it wouldn't lie about it to start with. They would allow access to Gaza neutral reporters - like the BBC - instead of killing journalists.

So dustybin's position has scant logical coherence but - it's a free country if that's the ditch he wants to die in ..

Whereas UB is judge and jury that will only hear any form of testimony that bolsters his pet project of selective interest.

All the speculation is just confirmation bias.
When nobody comes up with an alternative, and expects perfection from Israel then they will forever remain primed waiting for anything to criticise.

Remember, UB and the rest don’t actually care about innocent people getting killed in the line of conflict….they care apparently based on the principle the West (and more specifically, us) play some kind of role.

Well if the bullets that killed these workers wernt ours, then surely you can’t pump your gums?

The weak argument that the public in this country need to keep banging on about a ‘free palestine’, when Palestine has never been free, its name comes from an ethnicity different to those shouting about it….and the organisations that support this nonsense are simply political….a political mass that non of the surrounding countries want anything to do with.

Dusty supporting terrorists guilty of War Crimes…. Why?

I mean
Just look at how pathetic the position is to assume and expect perfection from one side, and the apparent expectancy of the opposite from the other.
What a cartoon world.
You have a terrorist organisation, specifically and almost exclusively targeting civilians….they are on record stating their own peoples’ blood must run in greater amounts to get what they want…(he said that or words to the effect, the dead guy who used to front the organisation) and who use UN facilities in their attacking of Israel….and some people expect Israel to be either excel beyond any other military on the planet….or surrender to the whims.

Anything less is scrutinised to high heaven…..when not a thing is ever mentioned about anything else.

It did look like a gun though dinnit?

Is he talking about Israel?

You know if you had p1ssed and moaned about all the massacred UN peacekeepers across the Sahel, or the Arab militia shooting babies in the head while in their mother’s arms in Sudan…perhaps viewers of this thread might have believed your feigned interest really was humanitarian, and not in fact political as it really is.

Greatest hits from dusty this morning:


Israel should be allowed to behave as bad as terrorists.

Everyone else does it so what's the problem?

Too early to judge, waith a few months for adjudication to take place

And a bit of worrabout to end with




Lovely stuff. You can literally hear the desperate scrambling.

Israel is always lying but if Israel itself believed this particular killing was legitimate, it would not have tried to hide it. Israel had to be dragged to the truth.

The UK has special historical responsibility for the area anyway but the fact that the political establishment and the armed forces are "friends of Israel" means we have even more of a duty to speak up about ongoing Israeli atrocities. Germany is hobbled by historic guilt concerning Israel as is, to a lesser extent, much of mainland Europe, and the USA's one "special relationship" is with Israel, so it an obligation on us.

What’s actually happened as anyone who isn’t ideologically captured can see.

Is that UB attempted to say I was the one who had inconsistent logical coherence….when it is actually the full on contrivance of only caring in principle about the fact people get caught up in a conflict that is inconsistent with logic. You either care about all innocent people getting killed, or non in particular, the drawing of tenuous threads only show how reverse engineered the theory is.

As for pop’s glibness as usual…

Israel shouldn’t be measured by the immorality of Hamas, who use human shields and underhand tactics while sacrificing their own people for their own political gain.
That also means that when mistakes occur, you don’t then say fighting Hamas must now end….because Hamas do little else other than kill innocents.

Everyone else does do it….just because selective reasoning is applied doesn’t make it not so. Israel actually have a very good ratio, and that’s in a shoebox where civilians arn’t moved out the way…a completely unique environment, but then politics is more important than those pretend interest in innocents.

‘The truth’ has been determined by onlookers of a betting forum.
Because the IDF who are engaging in an active conflict didn’t give the exact reports the likes of UB were expecting then they are always guilty apparently.

You can't be an apologist in any form for what happened to those brave medics.

There are also reports that some of the medics were handcuffed and then shot (source RTE)

For all its faults, one of the things I love about America is its openness.

I grew up alongside hippie consciousness and, for all its naivety and being an easy target, I can't help thinking now that it may have been the high point of our civilisation.

Ten years after the Mai-Lai massacre, Coppola was making Apocalypse Now.

Where are we now? Going downhill.

Israel is dragging the Western world back to a new Dark Age. Israel's contribution to culture is a fat singer with a beard who - wait for it - wears a dress.

It depends on your mindset, I suppose, but I can't help thinking the cement-brains will have their time while Trump is in power. Proclaim themselves sungods before their heads bow under their own weight and they collapse or get dead-headed with a sharp Stanley-Knife hopefully.

'Israel is dragging the Western world back to a new Dark Age.'

Israel is surrounded by enemies from the stone age. How do you reason and deal with such.

Not by lying about being open to a two state solution for fifty years.

Israel is surrounded by enemies from the stone age. How do you reason and deal with such.

By murdering women and children? starving 17 yo old boys to death in jail, murdering paramedics?

Who is in the stoneage?

IDF unit involved in Gaza paramedics’ killing was under command of brigade led by notorious Israeli general
Golani troops were under command of reservist Armoured 14th Brigade, part of division led by Brig Gen Yehuda Vach


The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) unit involved in the killings of 15 Palestinian paramedics and rescue workers in the Gaza Strip last month was under the command of a brigade led by a notorious Israeli general previously accused by some of his own troops of having “contempt for human life”.

The IDF has confirmed that troops from Golani, one of the army’s five infantry brigades, opened fire on two convoys of ambulances in Rafah on 23 March and dug a mass grave to cover the bodies of those killed until the corpses could be retrieved by a UN team six days later. It has disputed allegations from two witnesses who exhumed the bodies and newly released postmortem results that found several of those killed had close-range gunshot wounds to the head and chest and were discovered with their hands or legs tied.

Field operatives from Unit 504, a military intelligence unit with a reputation for cruelty and reckless behaviour, including torture, were also present during the attack, a senior military intelligence source with knowledge of recent IDF deployments in southern Gaza told the Guardian. The Israeli military declined to comment on whether 504 was involved.

During the Rafah attack, the Golani troops were under the command of the reservist Armoured 14th Brigade. The 14th Brigade is part of a division led by Brig Gen Yehuda Vach, who former officers say designated an unofficial “kill zone” elsewhere in the strip which resulted in the arbitrary killings of Palestinian civilians. Soldiers also alleged Vach’s “lack of operational discipline” endangered soldiers’ lives.

Vach has also told troops “there are no innocents in Gaza”, according to an investigation by the Israeli daily Haaretz.

In a video of Golani troops being briefed before their redeployment to Gaza earlier this month, aired by Israel’s Channel 14, a battalion commander appeared to endorse an open-fire policy, telling the soldiers: “Anyone you encounter there is an enemy. You identify anyone, you eliminate him.”

Golani soldiers have previously been accused of war crimes in the conflict, including killing civilians, degrading treatment of bodies, needless destruction of civilian infrastructure, and incitement to genocide.

Last week, the Israeli military backtracked on its account of the killings of the paramedics after footage emerged which contradicted its claims that the Red Crescent vehicles were not marked as emergency vehicles and were not using headlights or flashing lights when troops opened fire.

Little point posting that.

Israel have been given the green light to commit war crimes by Chump and Starmer

Outside their circles, those two are not yet the arbiters of what is worth reporting.

The fact that Israeli kill-squads can act with impunity in Gaza is commentary on both Trump and Starmer.

And the people they represent

Israel's inquiry report into the massacre of aid workers and subsequent cover-up described as "full of lies."


Israel is always lying.

Yep


Israel originally said the people inside the ambulance went missing and didn't know where they were.

They were as surprised as anyone when the graves were found and the ambulance - which had been crushed -  was also unearthed.

They then claimed the ambulance was acting erratically and they believed those inside were Hamas.

Then the video came to light showing how the lights were flashing and the ambulance was approaching slowly and carefully.




They just lie and they lie and they lie.

And the other mob tell the truth? It's a war, come on.

Both mobs terrorise and should not be trusted. That is clear. Israeli war criminals should not be allowed onto our to and radio stations to lie and deny their war crimes. They also ought to be sanctioned and proscribed as Terrorist Organisations

It isn't a war, it is a war crime amidst many others.

The isrealis lies and deceit in murdering 15 medics in basically cold blood is off the scale,anyone making excuses for them should be ashamed of themselves.

Mad that people actually defend the murder and attempted cover up of innocent emergency servicemen.



You have to wonder how low some people could scrape.

saddo
saddo21 Apr 25 10:51Joined: 04 Dec 05 | Topic/replies: 52,099 | Blogger: saddo's blog
And the other mob tell the truth? It's a war, come on.

I think you are correct it is a war, so why are Hamas consistently labelled Terrorists by media ?, but Israel given media platforms and refer their combatants simply IDF.

There is no good war, war is dirty.
If you are going to whinge about the consequences, probably better not to start one.

Just dropping bombs on a population that cannot go anywhere isn't really a war though.

Hiding among civilians in schools and hospitals is not soldiering either,
their tactics guarantee the death of civilians, that's how they play it.

Given how small Gaza is not sure there are too many 'hiding places' the vast tunnel network seems debunked at this stage. Civilians shelter near hospitals for what should be 'safe areas' but they are nearly all rubble.

I would think whatever their tactics were they would be little difference in civilian death numbers as the israelis want the place inhabitable.

Saddo just hates muslims, they could drop a nuclear bomb on Gaza for all he cares.

That's it, close it down, good sheep.

If you want it re-opened no prob.

Subscribing to the view of 'War' is basically behind the summary executions of the 15 medics is i think reason enough to 'close it down' anyway.

I'd imagine some long list of 'professional failures' but that slaughter and subsequent lies at explaining that is probably an insight at many of their previous 'excuses' as they were caught with proof this time.