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Cider
20 Sep 23 17:05
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First time he's sounded like a PM. Is there a glimmer of hope?

Slightly surprising, but welcome.

Let's hope he can follow through...
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Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 20, 2023 5:27 PM BST
Raac?
Report Foinavon September 20, 2023 5:27 PM BST
I can see Starmer going the way of Kinnock. There will be a sinecure for him in Brussels.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 20, 2023 5:29 PM BST
GB News asks Sunak for a referendum on climate change


LaughLaughLaugh
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 20, 2023 5:30 PM BST
https://community.betfair.com/politics/go/thread/view/94150/31807089/who-is-the-bigger-liar-boris-or-rishi

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Report diabolicalliability September 20, 2023 5:32 PM BST
Send it France
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 20, 2023 5:32 PM BST
With yesterday's polls included, the Conservatives are at their lowest average voting intention since Liz Truss was Prime Minister

Lab - 44%
Con - 24%
Lib Dem - 11%
Greens - 7%
Refuk - 6%


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Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 20, 2023 5:35 PM BST
Commons Speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle slams Rishi Sunak as PM expected to delay petrol car ban

Tories are bitterly divided over mooted U-turns on key net zero pledges


https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/rishi-sunak-climate-change-cars-petrol-diesel-oil-war-global-tory-b1108181.html

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Report Cider September 20, 2023 5:37 PM BST
If this version of Sunak prevailed for the next year, I would favour them to win the most seats.

That, obviously, at this point remains highly doubtful. If he stands up to the inevitable lip trembling from the nut zero nutters after this speech, it's possible.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 20, 2023 5:55 PM BST
Sophie Ridge

Rishi Sunak has just said he stopped taxes on meat,
compulsory car sharing & sorting your rubbish into
seven different bins.

Does anyone remember when these were actually going
to happen?
Report dambuster September 20, 2023 5:57 PM BST
By 2035, the world will be a different place and people will still be driving petrol and diesel.
People say things to shut up the minority woke anti oil mob.
Report lfc1971 September 20, 2023 6:04 PM BST
HOW DARE HE ! Laugh
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 20, 2023 6:41 PM BST
Sam Coates

Some Tory MPs *VERY* surprised about the suggestions Rishi Sunak will push back petrol / diesel car ban from 2030 to 2035.

One calls it “anti business”, means Sunak breaking a promise he made in private to Tory MPs and says, unprompted, “I’m seriously considering a no confidence letter”
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 20, 2023 6:50 PM BST
https://twitter.com/NewportLabour/status/1704534091226562968?s=19

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Report SontaranStratagem September 20, 2023 7:51 PM BST
Sunak shouldnt be pushed out over this

Theres been many things hes done and overseen where a no confidence vote was warranted but this isnt it
Report cryoftruth September 20, 2023 9:00 PM BST
One of Tories’ biggest ever donors profited from £135m of NHS contracts

Frank Hester, who gave Rishi Sunak’s party £5m this summer, is thought to have made
huge sums from DHSC deals

13 years, ah, we made huge profits for ourselves and our donors
all from taxpayer funding.

Said Richy

And certain people moan when we use “sleaze and corruption” as adjectives before the word “Tories”.

Now just in case anyone can doubt it.

The current Tory Party is riddled with sleaze and corruption.

The greed they demonstrate is beyond evil and cynical.

The disgusting and revoltingly wicked sleazy and corrupt Tories should be jailed. But getting them kicked out of power would certainly be a start.
Report Foinavon September 20, 2023 9:41 PM BST
It's interesting to see some media remoaners going ballistic over Sunak's realignment with the EU's energy policy.
Report lfc1971 September 20, 2023 10:09 PM BST
Sunak starting to grow into this job , well done
this will win many votes …
Report Shrewd_dude September 20, 2023 10:14 PM BST
Good that Rishi has some balls to do this.
Report cryoftruth September 20, 2023 10:24 PM BST
Sophie Ridge

Rishi Sunak has just said he stopped taxes on meat,
compulsory car sharing & sorting your rubbish into
seven different bins.

Does anyone remember when these were actually going
to happen?
Report cryoftruth September 20, 2023 10:25 PM BST
It was never goin* to happen

Sunak learned something from Johnson.

He is a barefaced liar
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 20, 2023 10:27 PM BST
https://community.betfair.com/politics/go/thread/view/94150/31807089/who-is-the-bigger-liar-boris-or-rishi

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Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 20, 2023 11:18 PM BST
https://twitter.com/ash_sense/status/1704611491775651888?s=19

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Report SontaranStratagem September 20, 2023 11:21 PM BST
If hes to get the auld no confidence vote hes about cooked I say
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 20, 2023 11:32 PM BST
What on earth was he laughing about at
queen's funeral or was he simply coked up?

https://twitter.com/Parody_PM/status/1577296798846173184?s=19

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Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 20, 2023 11:33 PM BST
Wrong Fred muppet.
Report PorcupineorPineapple September 20, 2023 11:39 PM BST
Rishi making a play for the Gbeebies/Farage voter, leaving the centre ground even more clear for Labour.

Really odd move.



Here's the thing. Most people don't want climate change. They recognise that something needs to change. They don't mind doing the recycling. They aren't scared at the prospect of electric cars phasing out petrol and diesel.
He's appealing to a very tiny minority just to save his own skin. Tories have just utterly blown up in the last few years.
Report scandanavian_haven September 21, 2023 12:01 AM BST
The Climate change drive and policy talk is simply not a vote winner, it's a complete waste of anyone's time campaigning on that, and telling the country the other party is rubbish has never done the trick either, it's the big issues, the economy, health care, immigration etc, if Joe Public feels as though they can trust one government more than the other on balance on those issues they'll win, that along with image/PR/who the leader is. The Tories have won the last few elections by default because Labour were in such as mess. Regardless of what anyone thinks of Starmer, in terms of PR and electability he's a marked improvement on Corbyn and a lot of those borrowed seats will be turning back to red also by default.

You can also not underestimate the backlash against the Conservative party for getting rid of Boris, that may have been a very popular thing to do with Parliament, Tory MP's, certain sections of the press, but he was still generally very popular with Tory voters and floating voters, remembering most voters are casuals who do not follow politics intensely and understand how useless and self-serving he really was, they probably thought getting rid early will give the public enough time to get to know Sunak, but he hasn't grown on anyone, just an odd little man with no charisma. Majority of the electorate are passive followers of politics and casual voters, they'll punish the Tories for stabbing Boris in the back.
Report lfc1971 September 21, 2023 8:04 AM BST
People for whom it will have a direct financial cost it matters
For those  who it won’t impact their views on the matter are by definition suspect
It’s those paying that count - well done pm
Report irishone September 21, 2023 8:29 AM BST
Naturally, every person has their own physical and cognitive capabilities, as well as stuff they enjoy, and it can take a few tries to find the right activities for everyone. Don't give up on the first try! Instead, explore all of these different activities in your nursing home and see which ones are a hit.
Report PorcupineorPineapple September 21, 2023 9:00 AM BST
The only ones that won't have a direct financial cost are the elderly pensioners who won't be around to clean up the mess. Subtract the huge number who actually give a damn about leaving a habitable planet for the rest of us and you'll find Sunak has essentially shunned around 90% of the population to entice a tiny number who were overwhelmingly already about to vote for them anyway.

Genius.
Report irishone September 21, 2023 9:03 AM BST
maybe the wont be able to clean up the mess
Report irishone September 21, 2023 9:04 AM BST
*they
Report PorcupineorPineapple September 21, 2023 9:07 AM BST
Well climate change is already here. It'll already be many many times more expensive to fix than it would have been if we'd heeded the advice decades ago. But the oil lobby is a powerful thing.
Report irishone September 21, 2023 9:11 AM BST
yeah

a lot of people in the world made a lot of money out of oil

Am I right to blame the English , after all ,   who invented the engine ?
Report irishone September 21, 2023 9:13 AM BST
The first practical petrol engine was built in 1876 in Germany by Nicolaus August Otto, although there had been earlier attempts by Étienne Lenoir in 1860, Siegfried Marcus in 1864 and George Brayton in 1876.

i googled it ..... here come the nazi lovers
Report Foinavon September 21, 2023 11:22 AM BST
BEVs are not net zero products and won't be while our electricity generation industry emits carbon dioxide as a by-product.
Do you really think that aligning our energy policy with that of the EU is such a bad thing porky?
Report nineteen points September 21, 2023 11:49 AM BST
credit where credit is due and i applaud sunak for his decision against this net zero sh1te,and it goes against the grain for me to praise him.
Report Foinavon September 21, 2023 12:08 PM BST
The first steam engine was built by Thomas Newcomen in 1712. Others, notably James Watt improved on the design making it more powerful and efficient and adapting it to uses other than its original purpose as a pump for removing water from mines.
Report irishone September 21, 2023 12:22 PM BST
FFS you thick t0sspot

we are talking OIL...its not about steam engines Crazy
Report PorcupineorPineapple September 21, 2023 12:26 PM BST

Sep 21, 2023 -- 5:22AM, Foinavon wrote:


BEVs are not net zero products and won't be while our electricity generation industry emits carbon dioxide as a by-product.Do you really think that aligning our energy policy with that of the EU is such a bad thing porky?


I thought the point of brexit was to be better.

Let’s be honest we all know this is just playing politics and pandering to a fringe element. It’s far more important what Labour think about 2030.

But I do despair at politicians using this as a culture war wedge issue. That may well be Sunak’s legacy in the coming decades.

Report Escapee September 21, 2023 12:38 PM BST
2019 Tories Promise to do Something.

Tories Do Nothing for 4 years.

2023 Tories Promise to do Nothing.

Tories get a round of applause for doing Nothing.



Correct me if I'm wrong.
Report Foinavon September 21, 2023 12:51 PM BST
Steam engines can use any fuel to neat the water Irish and I think you will find that they generally emit far more carbon dioxide per KWH than internal combustion engines.
Report Foinavon September 21, 2023 12:59 PM BST
Is it better though porky? We need to diversify in a sustainable and smooth way and setting arbitrary targets, especially too early ones causes disruption and hardship. Anyone suggesting that reducing the UK's carbon dioxide by a little by 2030 is the way to stop poorly maintained dams from breaching in Africa as Sunak seems to have done is having a laugh and taking us for fools.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 21, 2023 3:09 PM BST
Is a nuclear power station a steam engine?
Report irishone September 21, 2023 3:11 PM BST
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"Steam engines can use any fuel to neat the water Iris"

Slurring yer words now ....are you pi55ed ?
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 21, 2023 3:12 PM BST
Is it better though porky? We need to diversify in a sustainable and smooth way and setting arbitrary targets, especially too early ones causes disruption and hardship. Anyone suggesting that reducing the UK's carbon dioxide by a little by 2030 is the way to stop poorly maintained dams from breaching in Africa as Sunak seems to have done is having a laugh and taking us for fools.


Nobody is suggesting that, nor having 7 bins
nor taxing meat,... but... taking us for fools, lol

You're having a laff.



Stopping new petrol engine cars 5 years later just
destroys uk car manufacturing advantage we might
have gained. Hey ho, like brexit it's another
retrograde step from da tories.
Report Cider September 21, 2023 3:18 PM BST
There's an awful lot of lip wobbling, about someone doing nothing. Fücking awesome it is witnessing it too Laugh
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 21, 2023 3:22 PM BST
Certainly is awesome, and awesome laffing at folk
trying to defend him by any means possible.
Report peckerdunne September 21, 2023 3:25 PM BST
A load of hot air


Polluted hot air
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 21, 2023 3:40 PM BST
Rishi Sunak set to announce later today that he’s banning sky hooks,
long weights and tartan paint in great relief to apprentices everywhere
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 21, 2023 3:48 PM BST
https://twitter.com/Trogdouser/status/1704774894972453256?s=19

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Report Foinavon September 21, 2023 4:34 PM BST

----you-have-to-laugh---21 Sep 23 15:09Joined: 06 Jul 10 | Topic/replies: 44,365 | Blogger: ----you-have-to-laugh---'s blog
Is a nuclear power station a steam engine?


After a fashion and downstream of the nuclear reactor, it is usually a conventional steam turbine electricity generator.

In the chemical industry, our favourite newbie trick was to send them to the stores to collect some benzene rings.
Report cryoftruth September 22, 2023 8:10 AM BST
Trouble with the Sunak upturn is that it’s not actually going to make much difference. If you stop the sale of new diesel and petrol cars on 2030, there will still be plenty left around producing carbon on 2050 and longer. There is no reason in terms of economics for pushing the date back 5 years. None at all. Anyone needing a petrol/diesel car would still be able to get one.

The Sunak proposal is entirely a political decision caused by the electoral polls. The Tories have had some years of the lying sleaze and general letcher Johnson, who lied himself out of a job. Then they elected Dags. Dags introduced a budget that has led to us having to pay massively increased mortgages and led to the Tories now being known as the Party of financial irresponsibility as well of terrible sleaze and corruption. So they are stuffed.

Now Sunak has blundered in protecting us from things like having 7 different dust bins, things of course that nobody had ever thought of introducing. Now the “I’ll protect you from” stuff is that it’s all made up it’s a straightforward lie.

And Sunak has made this pledge to attack the work on climate change and global warming for political reasons. He wants to try and pretend he is some anti climate change warrior. He is trying to appeal to the few climate change deniers and other right wing nut jobs, otherwise who are quite fed up of the Tories,

He is of course risking a lot. The Ford motor company has invested on the basis of the 2030 ban. They are cross! Why would they invest in the U.K. again when the Party of Government plays politics with the economy so often, is totally unreliable and continues to tell bare faced lies to them and everyone else.

Desperate stuff.
Report Foinavon September 22, 2023 8:21 AM BST

He is of course risking a lot. The Ford motor company has invested on the basis of the 2030 ban. They are cross! Why would they invest in the U.K.


Why then would they invest in the EU which is working on the same timescale to which Sunak has just aligned the UK.Is there a statement from Ford to support what you have just written about them?
Report PorcupineorPineapple September 22, 2023 8:57 AM BST
The interesting one's Mini isn't it. They committed to the UK last week on the back of the government's pledges. If they gave a vote of no confidence and changed their mind Sunak would be in a big hole.
Report Facts September 22, 2023 9:09 AM BST
OP.

Are you having a laugh ?
Report Facts September 22, 2023 9:10 AM BST
Sunak couldn't be in a bigger hole !!
Report nineteen points September 22, 2023 9:20 AM BST
is he going to thrust us further into bidens war with russia?
Report PorcupineorPineapple September 22, 2023 9:20 AM BST
jesus wept
Report Foinavon September 22, 2023 9:26 AM BST
Mini is owned by BMW and some of the engines are made in the UK. I suspect they would be happy with the alignment we will have to see.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 22, 2023 10:13 AM BST
If there is not enough battery production and
the grid cannot cope with charging then Sunak's retreat
is probably just hiding yet more consequences
of 13 years of tory failure exacerbated by brexit.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 22, 2023 3:47 PM BST
Matthew Syed,

"Very few people trust Prime Minister Rishi Sunak or the Conservative gov..

Johnson disavowed almost everything by May,

Truss disavowed everything said by Johnson,

Sunak disavowed what was said by Truss,

now Sunak disavows what he said about himself"
Report lfc1971 September 22, 2023 4:40 PM BST
You do realise we lose money trading with the EU ?
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 24, 2023 5:41 PM BST
Ex Greek Finance Minister Varoufakis on Sunak "it takes a
special kind of incompetence and cynicism to unite the car
industry and the Green Party"
Report lfc1971 September 24, 2023 5:59 PM BST
The car industry does what Sunak tells them to do

The green insects ? They should never be listened to
As long as we have North Sea Oil , gas
Report PorcupineorPineapple September 24, 2023 6:12 PM BST
We don't have them you raging dullard.

We sold them to private firms years ago who now sell them to the highest bidder. If we want to use North Sea oil and gas, then we have to pay more for them than other countries will.


Sheesh.
Report lfc1971 September 24, 2023 6:45 PM BST
Pineapple WE , that’s everyone in this country - Britain over our lifetimes
Should thank our lucky stars .. for North Sea oil
Report cryoftruth September 24, 2023 7:33 PM BST
We don't have them you raging dullard.

That is totally unfair …..


on decent raging dullards.
Report lfc1971 September 24, 2023 7:41 PM BST
You’re a question to answer on another thread cot

Let’s see if you can or if you’re just another snivelling little piece of work
like most snp ,,, go ahead
Report lfc1971 September 24, 2023 7:46 PM BST
Let’s get this clear , if I had to choose between losing Scotland , or the Ukraine
Nothing and especially that despicable individual cot or anyone else will persuade me
to let that happen .. ever . Scotland is mine
Report Cider September 25, 2023 7:13 PM BST
Labour lead has narrowed to sixteen percentage points in the latest results from Deltapoll.
Con 28% (+5)
Lab 44% (-3)
Lib Dem 10% (-)
Other 18% (-2)
Fieldwork: 22nd-25th September 2023
Sample: 1,507 GB adults
(Changes from 11th-15th September 2023)
Report cryoftruth September 25, 2023 8:00 PM BST
You’re a question to answer on another thread cot


The day I answer a question just because some Hitler and Putin supporting extremist nutjob demands it will be a long time off.

Scotland will get her freedom sooner or later, and Ukraine will kick out your chum Putin, not matter how many kiddies the evil basstard kills or kidnaps.
Report Foinavon September 25, 2023 9:03 PM BST
CoT is a scot nat, nuff said.
Report irishone September 25, 2023 9:50 PM BST
lfc1971 • September 24, 2023 7:46 PM BST
Let’s get this clear , if I had to choose between losing Scotland , or the Ukraine
Nothing and especially that despicable individual cot or anyone else will persuade me
to let that happen .. ever . Scotland is mine


So how come you live in a nursing home in perverted Eastbourne then ?
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 29, 2023 9:08 PM BST
https://twitter.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1707707158584786975?s=19

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Lol
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- September 29, 2023 9:09 PM BST
Sunak says imposing a blanket 20mph limit is not right. The interviewer points out its not blanket. Sunak ignores him & repeats it. The interviewer again says its not a blanket ban. Sunak says thats not quite right. The interviewer points out language is important. Not to Sunak!
Report lfc1971 September 29, 2023 9:39 PM BST
Rishi is correct .. I’ll decide what is the correct speed
Stay on the pavement
Report lfc1971 September 29, 2023 9:42 PM BST
Keep up the good work Rishi
you’re turning it around
Report peckerdunne September 29, 2023 9:44 PM BST
UK money supply has fallen, get ready for further.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- October 2, 2023 3:11 PM BST
Rishi Sunak's own Tory-run North Yorkshire County
Council is expanding 20mph zones because they are 'safer'.
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- October 2, 2023 9:33 PM BST
Rishi Sunak has failed to hand over his WhatsApp messages from his time as chancellor to the Covid inquiry despite the high court ruling that ministers should disclose their communications for scrutiny.

In his witness statement to the public inquiry the prime minister claimed that he did “not have access” to the messages during the period running the Treasury because he had changed his phone several times and failed to back them up.




As you do...
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- October 5, 2023 2:01 PM BST
One day after conference

The breaking of promises by liar Sunak recommences




Shocking but not surprising.

Leamside line dropped from Sunak’s commitment to North East transport after less than 24 hours.

Only a fool would trust the Tories to deliver.

They don’t care about the North East

I wonder what’s next to get dropped?!
Report PorcupineorPineapple October 5, 2023 2:08 PM BST
It's all part of the plan.


Saw before that Cummings is back in the fold. The aim now is to try and paint Sunak as a disruptor and not part of the establishment (arf!) so he's gonna rip things up and try to get mainstream commentators and business leaders enraged to build that picture.

Expect more vandalism in the coming months.
Report Charlie October 5, 2023 4:15 PM BST
lfc1971 • September 29, 2023 9:42 PM BST
Keep up the good work Rishi
you’re turning it around


And just what would "it" be?
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- October 5, 2023 5:52 PM BST
Rishi Sunak says he will quadruple the number of trains between Sheffield and Leeds.
As there are currently five per hour each way, that will mean 20 trains per hour: one every three minutes.
Rail boffins: can you help me understand how that works?
Report Cider October 5, 2023 5:55 PM BST
Running earlier and/or later ? More on the now popular weekend travel ?
Report nineteen points October 5, 2023 5:56 PM BST
self driven like the scooters or bikes you can get?
Report Cider October 5, 2023 6:00 PM BST
Dom Cummings vs Tony Bliar. Bring it on Laugh
Report SontaranStratagem October 5, 2023 6:14 PM BST
Hes not got a mandate

Where is the media asking this? ….
Report SontaranStratagem October 5, 2023 6:16 PM BST
Sunak is part of the establishment ffs

Its getting more ridiculous with the they are with us rubbish
Report SontaranStratagem October 5, 2023 6:28 PM BST
If people fall for it again…

My goodness
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- October 5, 2023 6:58 PM BST
Another pledge broken a day later...


The entire page where the government pledge to
'revolutionise mass transit in Bristol' has now been deleted.


2 gone in 24 hours
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- October 5, 2023 7:46 PM BST
And it keeps falling apart


The HS2 rail line will not be extended to London Euston unless enough private investment is secured for the project.

If cash is not put forward by private funds, the high-speed line will only run from Birmingham to Old Oak Common in the capital's western suburbs.

This would mean passengers travelling to central London would have to change.



Change, lol, Richy is the candidate for change...
Report peckerdunne October 5, 2023 8:41 PM BST
Short change
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- October 6, 2023 7:54 PM BST
On Wednesday, Sunak said he would prioritise education funding.

Now I've just been called into a last-minute DfE meeting (5.30pm Friday), only to be informed that unplanned cuts are coming!

School funding will rise by just 2%, not 2.8% promised in July.

We already have record class sizes and can't recruit or retain teachers.

Sunak must commit to stop school cuts.

@GillianKeegan, we need a ministerial statement!


Dan Kebede NEU
Report ----you-have-to-laugh--- October 6, 2023 8:30 PM BST
https://twitter.com/coldwarsteve/status/1710374816547569763?s=19

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Report cryoftruth October 7, 2023 6:28 AM BST
The problem for Sunak is that the people think he’s a bare faced liar like Johnson.
Report nineteen points October 7, 2023 7:23 AM BST
yes and possibly even better at it
Report cryoftruth October 7, 2023 8:56 AM BST
I don’t know.

All that Krupp about “I will save you from having to keep 8 bins in your houses” was close to being very obvious bare faced lies.
Report impossible123 October 7, 2023 8:21 PM BST
I like the determination of Sunak and Hunt to arrest inflation and keep government spending/borrowing under control after the vast expense of Covid. I also have more belief in the approach of Sunak and Braverman dealing with illegal immigration and boat-arriving asylum seekers.
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