Starmer’s political suicide

We voted to take back control. To control our borders. To control who can come and stay and who can't. Maybe we'd move to an Aussie type points system, maybe we'd come up with something new.


Point is, whatever that system is is decided by the UK government of the day. That's who is in control. So if Starmer says he wants to choose option C and the public back him and elect him to power then we go with option C.

That's sovereignty.

Of course that’s a decision for the government
If that government doesn’t stop mass immigration then that’s NOT Brexit
How many times do I have to explain that to you ?

Let me make it simple for you ,, Brexit voters voted for change
Especially change regarding mass immigration .. try and understand that

Well, call it what you like.

Brexit is done. It's over. It's gone.

Now it's all about the UK deciding on its own immigration system and coming to its own new agreements with other blocs and countries.


If your precious Brexit voters want more change they can have their say at the ballot box. Let's see the pitiful dozens queue up to put their box in the RefUK box and chortle.

Of course if you are and those you vote for are stupid enough to vote
for a continuation of mass immigration into England literally millions of people from every corner of the world that’s a matter for yourself
Every great country commits suicide .. go ahead ..
I can assure you when England is gone , soon , you will know that something is really missing

tbh, immigration will be way down mine and most people's lists of priorities. The economy, salvaging the NHS, energy security, fair taxation off the top of my head. Immigration would be lucky to make the top ten.

Okey doke … don’t say you weren’t warned

Fix our immigration system The vote to leave the EU was, among other things, a vote to take back control of our borders. That is why a majority Conservative Government will get Brexit done, and then introduce a firmer and fairer Australian-style points-based immigration system, so that we can decide who comes to this country on the basis of the skills they have and the contribution they can make – not where they come from. Migrants will contribute to the NHS – and pay in before they can receive benefits. Our new system gives us real control over who is coming in and out. It allows us to attract the best and brightest from all over the world. Only by establishing immigration controls and ending freedom of movement will we be able to attract the high-skilled workers we need to contribute to our economy, our communities and our public services. There will be fewer lower-skilled migrants and overall numbers will come down. And we will ensure that the British people are always in control.

Democracy only works if politicians do what they have claimed that they will.

I'm not sure if anyone would deem 1.2 million in a single year as overall numbers coming down.

Migrants will contribute to the NHS – and pay in before they can receive benefits. Our new system gives us real control over who is coming in and out

lol

It allows us to attract the best and brightest from all over the world.

lol

And we will ensure that the British people are always in control.

lol

Migrants will contribute to the NHS – and pay in before they can receive benefits.


lol

Lol at anyone believing a Johnson manifesto

I maintain that any election should be immediately preceded by the incumbent govt being scrutinised on their manifesto and how they did against it. First tv debate should be dedicated to that, and any mention of "well Labour will do..." should see their mike muted for 2 minutes.

If we vote on the basis of the policies contained within a manifesto then we should know how well the government kept their promises last time.

Is it possible immigration is evil , starmer and the Labour Party are evil , the EU is evil ?
Yes , imho

Why is immigration evil ? Because it is a form of genocide
… do you want to see the Japanese be a minority in their own country , that beautiful horticulture ?
I don’t .. but you are doing that to England

^^^^^^ Raving racist ^^^^^^^^

Lol , watch that little rodent

By lfc1971 on 24 Aug 20 19:32
Look at it this way . It might surprise you how many votes Adolf Hitler might get today

^ still triggered and will be so at this years end
And this time next year .. he’s from south Ireland
That’s all you need to know

How’s your face irisone , ok ?

By lfc1971 on 17 Aug 21 14:21
Say what you will about Hitler but he was a fine orator

That means we use democracy to elect a government and that government gets to choose how it applies lots of policies such as immigration.


Well, no.

The radical theory behind democracy, is that people lay out what they are going to do once elected, and the public chooses between the platforms.

It's funny (actually not) how the legacy media challenges the politicians on their failed manifesto pledges that they like, but completely forgets about the ones they don't like.

Leanna said there are bad eggs wherever you go
This just made me keep my guard up .. when travelling in south Ireland
Very wise .. and well done Irish pervert deserved to be punched in the face ..
Everything ok Iris ?

Hitler invented the microphone......
By lfc1971 on 2 Dec 22 21:54
Not the Volkswagen Beetle edy Hitler invented that credit where it’s due

Let’s get this clear- Hitler went off the rails

but it’s just like the Irish who tried to fool us into thinking they were neutral during the war

I don’t think like that …

Is your face ok pervert ?

Another late night for LFC

reported

(to matron and nursey )

I voted Brexit for sovereignty and regain control of immigration



Well that worked well.

You got
sleaze
corruption
Tory lies
Smashing up of the NHS
Rivers full of shyttt


and a huge increase in immigration.

Let’s get this clear- Hitler went off the rails

Two useless lefty lawyers attend woke convention in Canada ,nothing unusual or funny about that ,the scary ++++ is that we are about to elect them ffs.
All the serious problems and stuff to do and we think woke socialism and box tickers will solve it.

agree with that

Wow. All these people who have been saying for years how they’d never ever vote for Labour are now disagreeing with Starmer.

That’ll teach him.

It's amusing to see Labour supporters attack the Tories over immigration and at the same time say Brexit didn't make any difference to the numbers coming here.

Their tiny minds can't grasp the fact that the Tories didn't want Brexit, and they haven't delivered the Brexit people wanted.

Now after many Labour supporters voted for Brexit to make it possible amongst other things, to reduce immigration through Brexit, they now see the leader of the Labour party setting out plans to increase immigration.

Working class people who vote for Labour need their heads examined.

Italy ,Greece and Spain all have economic migrant problems but so also does USA ,Israel ,even RSA.........so wtf has it to do with brexit.
Like the egg shortages ,The horrendous sewage going into seas etc etc ,all deeply incovenient ,unpleasant and need to be sorted but nothing at all to do with brexit.
The economic migrants like water and electricity will simply go to the point of least resistance we are currently woefully weak ,Starmer will be worse,  kneeling and posturing like a performing seal and make us the softest touch for scammers in Europe.

Working class people who vote for Labour need their heads examined.

That's been the case ever since Sunny Jim and the unions brought the country to its knees. They voted for the war criminal who slung the doors wide open and now they will vote for the kneeler who will do the same. Turkeys voting for Christmas.

''The Human Rights Act 1998 made the rights set out by the European Convention on Human Rights part of our domestic law.''

That should have gone into the bin the moment we left the EU. But it's still in force.

No country with that in place, can operate efficiently with the abuse it provides for lawyers. 

That tells us all we need to know about the Tories’ commitment to Brexit.

Tories chose to keep most of the EU laws that we, of course, helped to draught.

Some nutters found out, others still rile about it
whether they found out or not.

Sound bites, innit

Taking back control, not.

It does not matter one jot whose lawyers draughted EU laws, we should only keep the ones beneficial to us.

And tories chose to keep them, so I assume they
consider them beneficial whilst using their
existence to wind up nutters

Ermmmmmmm used by the orange people of Liverpool ,I assumed it was used as their mouth was quicker than their brain and they needed the thinking time.
Similarly "innit" beloved in west London ,seemingly entire conversations by the cool using just the one word.........how progressive.

The Human Rights Act 1998, should be scrapped, so should the race laws.

The race laws are quite inappropriate in modern Britain. They're simply used by clever types to extract money from unsuspecting people or organisations.
The idea of giving one set of people extra rights over another is racist in itself. Because that is how the act works in practice. Same with sentencing in criminal courts, racial intent only seems to apply to one set of people.

Tories had time to scrap em.

Crippens showing extreme thickness around
"race laws"

Maybe he will detail them, but maybe the earth is flat.

Tories have had plenty of time to do lots of things they ought to have done but haven't, they are useless and have to go. We don't need lefty muppets to tell us that.

What a choice, the corrupt lying Tories or the
Anti British, woke, Kneel to BLM, Labour.
No wonder i'm voting Reform.

80% of Tory MPs and the party itself never wanted to leave the EU. They realised that they had to do it to retain power, so the mission was to dilute it as much as possible, whilst giving the impression that they were happy about it.

Even if Reform won a majority in the HoC, which is a 1000 shot, none of the establishment (which includes Hol) would implement their policies.

And if anyone threatens to rock the CS boat, they collude with mainstream media to get rid if them.

What other choice do we have Cider? The blob needs to be confronted and none of the current parties in the HOC will do it.

I don't feel like we have one. Conventional politics is no more. Far too many people openly and willingly support lies to leverage what they want. Even the actual Tory party with a big majority is too frit to command schools not to indoctrinate kids with harmful and dangerous ideology.

That is utter rubbish cider

no he is right

Try leaving your country foinavon
And setting up a little racist island for yerself lfc and your like
You can moan all day about blsck people make your own laws up and have white supremacy all day long
Try the goodwin sands as a taster

Obviously a new meaning of the word “right” we were previously unaware of.

He asserts teachers are filling kids with a dangerous ideology.

That is utter Horlick and com0lete tripe.

When mps refused to respect and honour the will of the British people
after the referendum vote that was a wake up call - of course it’s not just
the mps but many others who also refused … you get what you deserve

Get off to brekkie geriatric

Poached eggs today in the nursing home

My own home is an island of Caribbean culture, Irish, I'm very happy with it being that way, thank you.
I would suggest you stay on the western shore of the Irish Sea and mind your own business.

That irishomo is a nasty piece of work these days.

especially where racists and hitler sympathisers work

People with be furious with Starmer renegotiating with the EU. ABSOLUTELY FURIOUS!!!!

How dare he endanger all the benefits we have gained from Brexit!

People love their VAT free tampons!

SAVE OUR VAT-FREE TAMPONS!!!!

Are you on a crusade? Best of luck with that.

Best start by looking at yourself.

Oh dear,

It’s the Blob, not our lying, thieving, incompetent Tory Government

irishone 19 Sep 23 08:17 
Try leaving your country foinavon
And setting up a little racist island for yerself lfc and your like
You can moan all day about blsck people make your own laws up and have white supremacy all day long
Try the goodwin sands as a taster

......................

Worthy of post of the year imo. You couldn't be more wrong.

Total UK trade with the EU is higher than it's ever been.

So what does Starmer think there is to gain from giving back UK soveriegnty to the EU?

Perhaps he's getting his instructions from the WEF?
He's already said that Davos is more important than Westminster.

We need to keep an eye on Starmer, he's no friend of the workers.

Total UK trade with the EU is higher than it's ever been.

I should hope so with the price of energy going through the roof and inflation hitting double figures this year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Of course trying to improve trade with our closest neighbours is common sense.

The idiots who suggest it’s “rejoining the EU” are just revealing the true depth of their own terrible ignorance.

I think the majority of the country will breath a sigh of relief that we have a pragmatic grown up at any renegotiation.

Yes it’s only the loony nut job extremists who persist in trying to bankrupt the country by either their own corruption and sleaze (the Tories) or by making free trade with our closest neighbours as hard as possible.

I would also note that all those billions we were going to put into the NHS as a result of EU contribution savings  seem to have disappeared. Maybe we used all the proceeds to give bungs to Tory chums or to fund the Truss budget.

SNC ,you are funny today ,that snivelling wretch of a lawyer ,has kneeled and grovelled ,compromised his priciples ,in fact fcked over anybody to try to get power ,we will see soon that he only represents a few hippies ,luvvies and London champagne socialists.

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Of course trying to improve trade with our closest neighbours is common sense.

The idiots who suggest it’s “rejoining the EU” are just revealing the true depth of their own terrible ignorance.

You don't do trade deals at any price (which is what the lying fool Ted Heath did all those years ago).
We have already had the concede the "level playing field" rules to get the deal we have, I think that was a step too far and any further would be foolish. The better deal we need is over Northern Ireland, they have been badly let down by May, Johnson and Sunak all of whom should hang their heads in shame.

Exports v imports by quarter uk v eu to each other
ÂŁm

Exports seem to have fallen a bit since Germany built
landing facilities for gas that we landed for them.
Imports continue to rise.



Q2 2023    45,713    80,106    -34,393
Q1 2023    46,330    78,668    -32,338
Q4 2022    49,158    81,561    -32,403
Q3 2022    52,385    75,999    -23,614
Q2 2022    49,371    79,793    -30,422
Q1 2022    42,784    73,600    -30,816
Q4 2021    43,763    62,089    -18,326
Q3 2021    39,247    61,894    -22,647
Q2 2021    40,290    58,291    -18,001
Q1 2021    32,138    54,319    -22,181
Q4 2020    40,487    69,392    -28,905
Q3 2020    36,182    58,410    -22,228
Q2 2020    31,244    45,903    -14,659

The majority in the North of Ireland are happy with the framework,as they didn't want to leave the single market.

Brexit is done,finished, the EU are gone way past any talking,more so in the light of the last few years.

I think you are right in that the EU will only talk to Starmer if they can screw us for more. In which case Starmer's only motive will be to pander to the remainer elite's wishes to tie us in even tighter to the evil Reich. Pork barrel for some, unwanted foreign diktats for the rest of us.

It is odd Starmer is looking for changes all the same when the tory line are the effects of covid and war.

Can't hide the disastrous trade figures
once the gas exports stop.

Starmer needs to get better deal and reconstitute
the as needed supply chains.

Dr c is of course correct .
Britains trade figures have improved since leaving
Plus ONS statistics show UK services exports reached
record highs of almost ÂŁ400 billion in 2022
� This cements Britains position as a global services superpower
second only to the US. ( statistics released as of Feb 10th)

It means an increase of 20% compared to 2021
and up 23% on exports in 2018

Thank you Brexit

Why are we so good ?..

I don’t know

The numpties like to ignore inflation when comparing trade figures. I guess the truth frightens them.

Of course if the UK plc was doing well we'd be fixing the pot holes, NHS waiting lists wouldn't be at record levels and our cancer survival rates would be better than Poland's.

Just compare HS2 pre-Brexit and post-Brexit.

Pre-Brexit it was going to revolutionise train travel between London, Birmingham, Manchester and Leeds.

Post-Brexit the only phase the government can confirm will happen is the London to Birmingham and even then the Euston extention won't be ready until we are all long dead.

This is what happens when you leave the biggest trading block in the world

the trumpton line will be bigger

Starmer is the only Labour leader ever to sit on the front bench and see off two sitting Tory P.M.'s., whilst in opposition.
Ever.
And who knows, the Tories could yet turn on Sunak and he might go before the next election too.
All while standing at the despatch box.
Should not at all be under-estimated.  But everyone continues to do so.

good to see you still posting honcho

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The numpties like to ignore inflation when comparing trade figures. I guess the truth frightens them.

Thanks irish.  Wife had a stroke so priorities now much different.  Arguing with loons a thing of utter triviality now.
Slow progress but progress.  Thanks and best wishes.

Sorry to hear that LH.

Priorities change, take care.

Mass migration is a World problem that cannot be sorted out by little englunder King Canute mentality.

Protect our Borders

Save the NHS

Get Brexit Dun

Mugs!

Sorry to hear that Honcho

Our NHS is being deliberately and systematically destroyed by the Tories and the idiots who voted gif them are culpable

Best wishes LH,she is here and no doubt you'll look after her well.

One of Tories’ biggest ever donors profited from £135m of NHS contracts

Frank Hester, who gave Rishi Sunak’s party £5m this summer, is thought to have made
huge sums from DHSC deals

13 years, ah, we made huge profits for ourselves and our donors
all from taxpayer funding.

Said Richy

And certain people moan when we use “sleaze and corruption” as adjectives before the word “Tories”.

Now just in case anyone can doubt it.

The current Tory Party is riddled with sleaze and corruption.

The greed they demonstrate is beyond evil and cynical.

The disgusting and revoltingly wicked sleazy and corrupt Tories should be jailed. But getting them kicked out of power would certainly be a start.

Many thanks.  How these nurses and doctors of the NHS perform as brilliantly as they do, in such a troubled organisation, is without doubt a wonder of the world.  Until you see them up close, as much as you had previously admired them, you do so so much more.

The NHS model is a security fence. If you have a genuine emergency, you will be permitted past the security fence. It's not amazing, but it handles life/death scenarios adequately. It absolutely cannot cope with the mundane (to them), routine ops and accidents. That's because all the incentives involve being shyte.

If you go to any hospital tomorrow, it will be empty, aside from the queues in A&E. At least two days every week, ÂŁbillions of facilities sit there gathering dust, as they want to work office hours (when they aren't working from home).

If it was up to me (it's not, obviously!) I would split it up, and keep the NHS 'brand', but only for handling emergencies. There is absolutely no reason why, if you need a hip replacement, you need to done my a surgeon employed by the State.

How these nurses and doctors of the NHS perform as brilliantly as they do

You're dreaming mate.

They do the job they're supposed to do. What dedication to duty and brilliance is involved in prescribing medication, or in performing an operation that the surgeon has done many times before? And where death is commonplace.
That's what they're paid to do.
The same goes for nurses. They're there to look after people, and I've seen many examples where that falls well short of expectations.
Many nurses are only interested in their careers and getting out of routine nursing.
If there were penalties for failure I'd feel more comfortable about them.
And if the work was hard they wouldn't get people to do it at all.

Working in the fields is hard work, which is why they have to recruit people from abroad. No training required.
But in the NHS, recruiting from abroad is done to keep down the costs of labour.

The establishment (any public) veneration is where the arrogance comes from. In an organisation employing 1 500 000 people where there is no requirement to perform, you're going to get some genuine stars, and a whole lot of utterly useless, self serving chumps.

no requirement to perform

Well, how many baby murders does it take to get one fired ?

lol

Pineapple .. not a bad person but
unable to think for himself .. we’ve heard all that nonsense before

One of Tories’ biggest ever donors profited from £135m of NHS contracts

Frank Hester, who gave Rishi Sunak’s party £5m this summer, is thought to have made
huge sums from DHSC deals

13 years, ah, we made huge profits for ourselves and our donors
all from taxpayer funding.

Said Richy

And certain people moan when we use “sleaze and corruption” as adjectives before the word “Tories”.

Now just in case anyone can doubt it.

The current Tory Party is riddled with sleaze and corruption.

The greed they demonstrate is beyond evil and cynical.

The disgusting and revoltingly wicked sleazy and corrupt Tories should be jailed. But getting them kicked out of power would certainly be a start.

^^^^ he's a liar and a nutter ...or so he says

By lfc1971 on 1 Dec 22 12:14 Sometimes I tell lies and say I am Danish


By lfc1971 on 8 May 16 10:46 Liverpool is an English city  As are Edinburgh, Glasgow, Belfast and Dublin

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