Sleepy Joe

i agree. he will be worse in 12 mths time. big time discussions must be taking place in the dem party about telling joe he wont be running. jill be the one to break it to him. there is no way this guy can be president in 3 years time. gavin newsome will be the candidate in 2024.

We have a man Who could be in Prison, Joint favourite with silly bollix What a state US politics are in

Even the practical element of campaigning and debating, he simply won't be able to do it. Basement II seems inconceivable. But the market suggests otherwise currently. I'm happy to roll with what we can actually see, along with Farage's informed prediction.

The catastrophe of the rushed bodged withdrawal in Afghanistan ,the Blinken abysmal negotiations with the Russians which meant Putin thought he was to be presented the Ukraine ,like he was Crimea and now 100,000 homeless economic migrants in NYC alone, with another 10000 arriving monthly.......
Demonstrates the folly of voting in ,a naive ,incompetent woke lefty dogooder.
Yet we are about to do the same.

So who will the democrat candidate be?

I'll have the field running for me on this play, it's Joe I want to oppose. I have heard other people speculate that the plot will be to sneak in Obama once it can't be reversed. Not sure if that is possible or plausible.

Farage is not well informed about US politics, he just repeats the propaganda of the right-wing within the GOP. Some of the uniformed nonsense on GB News and Talk TV about US politics is embarrassing to watch. He did not believe Biden could beat Trump last time.

If you want well informed debate from experts who do actually know what they are talking about then you have to watch the US news channels. However, Farage may well be right on this occasion but he is well behind the curve, many have been saying this for ages.

Why do you think Biden has been such a big price for so long when any other incumbent seeking re-election would be trading under 1.1 at this stage?

I don't feel that is true actually, obviously you don't actually watch GBN if you feel that he has only been repeating right wing Republican propaganda recently. But this thread is about Biden predominately and not Farage's own politics, so it's not really worth side tracking. His call has prompted me to enter the market.

The nomination would typically be a shoo in for an incumbent. So Sleepy's (in)capability is already being factored. The question is whether that is still being underestimated, I say yes and would make him odds against.

He hasn’t decided , or been persuaded not to run at this point

Because the dems are trying to find a way not to select Vice President Kamala Harris in his place

They probably don’t want her to run , but they’ve a dilemma

Identity politics ..

The US House of Representatives will open an impeachment inquiry into President Joe Biden
The most senior Republican in the US House, Kevin McCarthy, says the inquiry will focus on "allegations of abuse of power, obstruction and corruption"

I don't feel that is true actually, obviously you don't actually watch GBN if you feel that he has only been repeating right wing Republican propaganda recently

Where did I say he has only been doing this recently? He has always done it because he is allied to the Trump wing within the GOP. He has been a Fox News contributor for many for years and was on LBC during the last election. His views are not objective.

I watch many hours of various news channels including GB News every day. I have at least 3 screens on at once all day.

Oh entertaining

Another impeachment psyop to wet the appetite...

Sep 12, 2023 -- 8:43PM, truehoncho wrote:

So who will the democrat candidate be?

Gavin Newsom most likely.

I tend to agree with Jack that Farage is unlikely to have any special insight into the Democratic nomination process.

I did read an interesting piece a few weeks back though which quoted various GOP insiders; strategists, pollsters, people with links to donors (none of them were named)

The gist of it was that they were near certain that Biden would not be the candidate, but that he wil continue as the phoney official candidate perhaps as far as the Democratic Convention.

At that point, he will be prevailed upon to stand down and make way for Newsom.

Have to ask what do the these people know about the rival party, but there likely is an element of interaction among professional politicos, that cuts across party lines.

So perhaps they really do have an inkling of what Democrat strategists/donors are saying behind the scenes.

any other incumbent seeking re-election would be trading under 1.1 at this stage

I don't agree with that.

The standard price for an incumbent during his first term would be in the range of 1.5 - 2.3

I don't think Obama was ever much below 1.4 during his first 3 years and even he might have hit Evens during that time.

And of course he had won decisively in 2008, while all other winners this century were in photo finishes.

Biden could never have been so low as 2.3 in the first 3 years because of his age.

There is now way he can continue to do the job until the age of 86 without becoming a complete laughing stock around the world, many will say he already is. One thing that does concern me is that maybe he is planning to hang on as he is confident that he can beat Trump and will then resign a year later to make way for Harris and take credit for being responsible for the first female president who also happens to be a woman of colour as an added bonus.

I'm talking about the nomination market.

Ah, OK Jack, yes of course 1.10 woud be max price

Yes they don’t want her to run .. in case she isn’t popular

But don’t want to be honest about it .. the dems might pull a scam like that

1.1 would be huge value if it was Obama at this stage.

To anyone thinking of laying joe for the nom, might I suggest the better value option of laying kamala for the VEEP nom instead? There`s only two scenarios; either joe is outed, or he hangs on and gets nommed. If he`s gone, so is she, as there isn`t one other American, (let alone a candidate!), who`d pick her again. But if he stays, there`s the very real (maybe 20-30%?) possibility that he takes his opportunity to be rid of her, pick another VEEP. Which means her lay price for VEEP, (1.53), should always be higher than joe`s lay price for the nom, (1.57), perhaps by that 20-30%, but it isn`t, it`s lower. So, two cracks at the cherry, for a cheaper price

2/3rds of democrat voters don't want him to run again, that's staggering. I guess most likely window if he drops out will be Nov-Jan. Pritzker come in a bit now but he is a dark horse.

House speaker Kevin McCarthy calls
a meeting on Thursday of top republicans
to plan a vote on impeaching Joe Biden

yes interesting Emails and Phone recordings have come to Light ,The Old sniffer might be snuffed out

Shirley Obumas Husband is the Call for the Dems ?

sleepy Joe is ok .. quite like him and his diffident demeanour
But I don’t like those who tend to vote for him

hunter indicted, apparently. don't suppose it's too great for sleepy. even when he wakes up to find out.

He will probably be defending his sons dealing in Iraq when he wakes up from his child sniffing induced stupor.

i dont think people go to jail for this. all a big hoopla about nothing.

At least the Republicans, and especially MAGAs, are finally seeing sense and are transforming into big fans of having certain checks in place in regards to the right to bear arms.

It's quite a brilliant plot by the Bidens to sacrifice Hunter with the lone purpose of stringing the MAGAs along like that. And those fools don't even realize it.

Has anyone done a poll yet who Americans would trust more with a gun between a crack cocaine filled Hunter or a sleepy creepy Joe?

Burisma Holdings Limited , Hunter was doing so much Gear Joe had to get another way to Fund him No wonder he can't get money sent to the Comedian Quick enough .

Suspect Farage called this right. Again.

There are a lot of MAGAs who are on Hunter's side. It was a clear violation of his 2a rights.

an utter disgrace

joe's a fighter!

sleepy joe
time to go

He claimed his deputy was Trump and he welcomed to the stage the brave president of Ukraine 'President Putin'

Thanks vm Nigel

It makes one wonder who has been running America, and does it make any difference who they elect as president?
We’ve seen in this country how the civil service and judges can thwart government policy.
Someone said ‘’If voting made any difference they wouldn’t let us do it’’

dambuster 13 Jul 24 12:07 
and he welcomed to the stage the brave president of Ukraine 'President Putin'

...........

I just saw that on tv, how awful.
People who refused to see the elephant two or three years ago can suddenly see it, amazing.

And considering how easy it is to hoodwink the public. With the voices of people who know what's going on easily shouted down or discredited.
Medicine being a good example of that.

Trump pointed it out at their last election.

That's why Biden used to run so much when on camera as a cover.

Biden was in his dotage then.

Rocking chair Joe.

Rockin' Alone [In An Old Rocking Chair]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is3D80DnjoU

Playing checkers with the kids. They have to wake him up when its his turn.

It's been true for a long time, the people who are in control of the narrative in the west have made it so that only one narrow 'opinion' is acceptable. You can basically see this via the BBC propaganda. It's no longer agreeing or disagreeing, as they aren't opinions they are facts. Most people like the easy life and don't want to be called names or be considered an outsider on the fringes (all the isms and ists). That's why they wore face nappies for two years and queued up for an experimental jab. Apparently we heard it from Hunt at the weekend, he'd much rather have Labour in power than the RUK 'outsiders'.

New Labour never left power on 2010. The faces of the politicians changed but little else did.

Until a few days ago the only 'acceptable' 'bbc' opinion was that there was nothing wrong with sleepy joe. Even though it has been apparent to everyone from way back when he didn't leave his basement in 2020. Now of course all the gullible will try to claim it was always obvious.

I saw a BBC woman saying what a great success Joe had been. Open borders and a country
never so divided since the civil war?

They are worse than Pravda.

He has managed to pass more major legislation in his first term than any president since Lyndon Johnson, and he has done so in an ultra-polarised environment that existed before he assumed office. It was the division in society that encouraged him to come out of retirement and run for president.

And they are less divided since he did so?

There is no cure for the polarisation as long as media outlets like Fox News exist. It is part of their business model to fuel the division. The were fined almost $800 for the lies they knowingly told after the 2020 election and are facing further lawsuits that could cost billions but that's not going to stop them as they are making huge profits.

So if Fox didn't exist the public would be more pliant and think as they are told to, like they are here?

JB 24 typical lefty, hates free speech.

all as bad as each other, clicks are the new currency, meaning everything has to cranked up, toxic. quoted out of context and exaggerated. sensible balanced reporting will never please the algorithms.

The job of a media outlet is to provide news, facts and analysis, not fuel division through lies because it makes huge profits. Fox News is essentially a propaganda outfit posing as a news channel and their viewers believe every word because they don't know any better and never get any news from anywhere else.

That is a major problem for society and it is now happening with social media too. People are being constantly brainwashed with lies and disinformation by nefarious players and State powers and they are just not smart enough to realise it.

Jul 22, 2024 -- 4:08PM, truehoncho wrote:

JB 24 typical lefty, hates free speech.

Making crap up against your own better knowledge, as evidenced in the course of the dominion trial, might be covered by free speech, but it is still questionable.

Not that you'd think it's questionable with you having shown an eagerness to make crap up on here, likely also against your own better knowledge.

Fox News is essentially a propaganda outfit posing as a news channel and their viewers believe every word because they don't know any better and never get any news from anywhere else.


Similar to the BBC then.

That is a major problem for society and it is now happening with social media too. People are being constantly brainwashed with lies and disinformation by nefarious players and State powers and they are just not smart enough to realise it

Are you being ironic??

There is no comparison between Fox News and the BBC, CNN or any other reputable news organisation. Fox News was created to be a mouthpiece for the Republican Party to vilify the Democrats. It is not a reputable news organisation.

There is no comparison between Fox News and the BBC, CNN or any other reputable news organisation. Fox News was created to be a mouthpiece for the Republican Party to vilify the Democrats. It is not a reputable news organisation.

says the lefty that wants to ban free speech.

Can you please quote where he wants to ban free speech or did you just make that up, truehoncho?

The Democrat led news channels have been caught lying intentionally over and over. If these are the channels you trust you need your head looking at. The Russian collusion hoax, the perfect phone call hoax, the fine people hoax, the drinking bleach hoax, the Nick Sandman hoax, the Jussie Smollett hoax, the Bubba Wallace hoax, the Biden doesn't have dementia hoax. It's just one Democrat hoax after another, and they are continually racebaiting and gaslighting and they encouraged the BLM riots. These are not the channels you encourage if you are worried about creating division.

What makes it a perfect phone call?

It's the nasty leftie rhetoric of the "reputable news organisations" that have been getting people shot.

Oh, you and everyone else notable who isn't a nasty leftie think it's an imperfect phone call?

is there a political party anywhere that doesnt tell lies ?

Die Partei.