Does voting make any difference ?

The circumstances would suggest that, Mr D, but it would need somebody of very high profile, like Nigel Farage or Boris Johnson, to garner enough support for any new party to make a difference.

I'll give reform a go. Labour would sell us all down the river in exchange for votes and the Tories would too.

Can't wait for the election and for Reform to actually stand.


Some people will actually discover how much they're stuck in a bubble and removed from the views of the wider population when they're one of the couple of hundred voting for their preferred candidate.

I’m not sure if Reform will even run a candidate in my constituency.

Reform accepts donations but not members, lol.

Democracy at work, lol

The ukippers who joined the forum say they are all
the same but will all vote for refuk.

Poor old lozza fix has missed the bateau

Yep. Nige will know the situation as well as anyone and my hunch is he'll either walk from the party or only stand in a couple of choice seats. He knows he's got a few hundred people on the hook who have their standing orders in place but he won't want to risk looking so small time in such a public way.

BOJO is not an Option IMO ,and Farage would win foook all

Its an open Goal for Sir Knee the gob and Team woke , God Help us all

Labour don't hate Britain and it's values. BOJO and Farage hate Britain and it's values.

It's funny that people mention Johnson.

Theyve have numerous goes to elect the it hero farrage
when they were all in ukips together.

Their hero farrage

If voting actually made any real difference they'd ban it!!

put a cross in a box ....and feck your lives up

MUG BRITAIN

Labour don't hate Britain and it's values.   

Now its Charlie talking "bollocks"!

There is no real choice when it comes down to it

Spoil yer ballot to make a point ?

It won't

unless it was in the many millions

Make a plan to move far away and never look back

Most major governments in the pocket of the WEF.....makes diddly squat who you vote for

What are Britain's values and in what way is modern Labour against them?

Tories, Labour, Greens, LibDems, Reform, UKIP all love Britain imo. They might think differently about the extend various aspects of past and present Britain should be loved and celebrated, they will also have different ideas on what will be best for their future beloved Britain, but love it they all do.

The entire "They hate the country" is generally complete and utter gobblewash imo, almost irregardless of who the sentence is thrown at. It's a very lazy and transparent attempt to very cheaply defame an "enemy".

Of course there can be hate, or dislike, towards specific aspects in a country and the values its population currently majorily accepts and represents. Some might hate the country not being a Christian fundamentalist theocracy preparing for the rapture. Others might be unimpressed with the country not doing enough for homeless people. Yet others hate Britain being socialist cultural marxist through and through and they'd like a libertarian market and rich people dictatorship. You can have groups that are unimpressed with the way aspects of history are taught, that they maybe feel the Empire is unjustly romanticised. Others that feel the Empire is unjustly demonised.

Doesn't mean they are disgusted by and hate the country itself.

I don’t hate the country ..however I despise some
living in England .. such as anyone who doesn’t love the English flag
I’m like that

What do they know of England that England only know?

Well , that lovely things like England exist..
is a lively thought … times almost up

Is a LOVELY thought *

Referenda are the only real vote for change...

Scottish independence
Brexit
and maybe the up and coming border poll in northern ireland