100,000 dead Ruskies but they've claimed a wasteland called Bakkmut

But you DID say, sic, a victorious army had a primary claim on land it was fighting over.

Which disenfranchises every German, betraying your heritage.

Oct 31, 2023 -- 1:25PM, unitedbiscuits wrote:

But you DID say, sic, a victorious army had a primary claim on land it was fighting over.

If any eventual peace negotiations end up transferring the land to that conquerer, yes. After all, wars can be dynamic and control over areas can switch again later, even multiple times.

edy • October 31, 2023 6:18 PM GMT
And while we are at it.....how exactly is you knowing the alive status of my parents relevant for your 6:13 PM GMT post anyway?

Will stay unanswered? For

edy • October 31, 2023 6:14 PM GMT
Also, at what point do we finally get to you expanding on the historical claims? Or will you forever pretend to not even see posts like this one?

I guess I at least got an answer by you, again, pretending I never enquired.

You are quite hardcore btw with your heritage betraying talk. Not even the AfD in Germany really openly fantasises about the loss of East Prussia being a big betrayal and disenfranchisement of every German. Nor do I know that from my, as I told you, family that was from over there. We are more talking the sentiment of proper neo-Nazis like the NPD or Republikaner here.

Also, at what point do we finally get to you expanding on the historical claims?

Gave you a hint when romanticising how your parents might have introduced themselves. It's not Shakespeare but that is all the clues I'm going to give you.

Oh c'mon, that's so transparently "I know it's a big mess and I can't even attempt to make a proper" to the point that it's almost embarrassing.

proper case

Shared language. "Hygge". If we're going to have countries, what else can you base it on? Tank power?

See, the scary thing is, one or both of edy's parents could have been subject to an order from Russia to move to Vladivostok, with the tacit approval of their unborn son.

But language of inhabitants change. Either because the demographics change for one reason or another, because a language is forced on inhabitants or because a widely spoken language is replaced over the year as another language becomes dominant (Northern Germans adopting Higher German in the place of Lower German (Higher German and Lower German are distinct languages and not dialects) after they started being part of a much bigger Germany to enhance war efforts). The same language is obviously also spoken across multiple countries.

So at the end of the day "historical" claim is about current language of current inhabitants? Should Belgium, with a belgian language not existing, and the USA exist or should their areas be part of Germany, Netherlands, France and, in the USA's case, belong to a truly Northern German country them being the true origin of English?

Oct 31, 2023 -- 2:02PM, unitedbiscuits wrote:

See, the scary thing is, one or both of edy's parents could have been subject to an order from Russia to move to Vladivostok, with the tacit approval of their unborn son.

As you were concerned about another post concerning you earlier, allow me to quote a post that indeed also, at least to an extend, applies to you. Your post quoted above is not the first time I've noticed the quoted below also apply to you. In some other thread you even directly spoke about "readers" if I remember correctly.

edy • October 31, 2023 11:24 AM GMT
You, btw., have this weird habit of talking to an invisible, and likely neither interested nor present, audience. Posting about us to that mystery audience instead of either simply talking to us or posting about us in a discussion with anyone specific. Or does your hubris dictate that there is a huge audience leaning on your every word and judgement? I've seen that behaviour before on here by some, mostly those with free thinking tendencies, and it's always puzzled me.

But language of inhabitants change. Let me stop you there because you get really confused later.


Yes, languages change, but change is not imposed, it evolves from binding with people around you. Even as you adopt the idioms of people around you, edy.

Excuse me? Of course language changes can very much be imposed. Particularly in the Soviet Union, a lot of russification was forced down the throat of its subjects.

I would also doubt that all of Southern America speaks Spanish or Portuguese respectively and French and Arab are among the dominant language on the African continent because everyone thought "Blimey, such wonderfully beautiful languages, let's bind!"

Are the Irish speaking English as their first language these days because they adored the English so much?

Not the case for us nor readers here but


Of course language changes can very much be imposed.


Yes, we could all be forced to be speaking Russian, (?) Iraqi or Afghan or (?) Palestinian in Starbucks next year. Isn't that the impetus for these wars?

So, if I got confused with my

"So at the end of the day "historical" claim is about current language of current inhabitants?"

let's get more concrete here. Who has the most legitimate historical claim to Crimea?

and why?

God would not .. or should not ..if god dares
Have allowed edys parents to meet
I feel how little it concerns me what is called the world
If It wasn’t for England .. Edy would not exist … Fact

* have dared edys parents not to meet

Say thankyou ….to England

Go away, lfc

I can assure you .. without England

Edward would not exist

And neither would I

DONT any god or any person

Tell me otherwise

Its a sad thought that to beat Hitler meant we had to have the f*rty boy's diatribe.

Can you be more specific or is this just some claim you make for the heck of having a go without any substance to it again, truehoncho?

I despise people like ub

edy: Obviously Russia. Chekhov (citation needed)

But who are we to judge, in our pants, on the internet? Especially the inheritors of the Charge of the Light Brigade.

Crimea had an election; its people voted.

Call for another

Why is it so obviously Russia?

Turkic people lived there for quite a while and it also otherwise belonged to different folk all over the place over the course of history.

So....is "historical" claim about current language spoken by current inhabitants after all?

The people of Crimea vote for them.

Compelling case. It may change in future.

So "historical" claim is not a historical claim at all?

Russian people may not want to be part of Ukraine .. ok I don’t know let them vote

But there is something distasteful about someone crawling towards Germany / France / Spain. Etc

I don’t want to hear any individual crawling towards Berlin or Paris .. sorry

You could have clarified a long time ago that, when you spoke of "historical claim", that you didn't mean anything really involving history, unitedbiscuits. Would have made things so much easier.

You can see how edy has posted 158000 times on the betfair forum because every post is a provocation to a challenge and a qualification.

In the end, isn't that just a plea for attention? "Look at what I said again""?

Though you still gotta clarifiy something else: If Russia obviously has a historical claim to Crimea because of the language spoken by its current inhabitants and because of a dodgy referendum........why do you want West Ukraine to not be Ukraine? What language do the people speak there? Who lives there? What do you expect a referendum tomorrow to show which country those people would like to belong to?

Oct 31, 2023 -- 2:55PM, unitedbiscuits wrote:

You can see how edy has posted 158000 times on the betfair forum because every post is a provocation to a challenge and a qualification. In the end, isn't that just a plea for attention? "Look at what I said again""?

You started talking to me today with the explicitly voiced wish to talk to me about this. Should I have rudely ignored your explicit wish?

In the end, isn't that just a plea for attention? "Look at what I said again""?  -  Has it really took you so long to come to that conclusion?

I’ll take edys view on the situation .. before United biscuits

truehoncho • October 31, 2023 7:59 PM GMT
In the end, isn't that just a plea for attention? "Look at what I said again""?  -  Has it really took you so long to come to that conclusion?

Mate, out of us two, you are the one constantly randomly bringing me up in this thread after every news item, and indeed quite a few times now in other completely unrelated threads out of the blue in which I had not even posted.

And in threads in which I had not been mentioned by anyone else either.

Just sayin', mate.

True honcho .. although you are often right and good
Listen to edy … don’t trust anything ub says

Is that not what's known as Hobson's choice Ifc?

Go away, lfc.

Actually, don't. Let's see how many times I can make you bitch-switch.

Not so true true honcho

If Hamas are destroyed .. good

was that for this thread Ifc?

If those satanic vermin are whipped off the face of the earth .. good

edy • October 31, 2023 7:57 PM GMT
Oct 31, 2023 -- 7:55PM, unitedbiscuits wrote:

You can see how edy has posted 158000 times on the betfair forum because every post is a provocation to a challenge and a qualification. In the end, isn't that just a plea for attention? "Look at what I said again""?


You started talking to me today with the explicitly voiced wish to talk to me about this. Should I have rudely ignored your explicit wish?

You kids these days simply can't make your mind up. It's horrible. One moment you explicitly seek someone out, but then a moment later that someone you first eagerly sought out is a big ol' terrible meanie because he dared notice something illogical. Youngsters, man....

Not sure about how many innocent are dying to wipe out the vermin.

Honcho Israel don’t want any innocent civilians to die
But the satanic vermin that are Hamis .. don’t care

It's a free for all.

Please keep posting, if only for the comedy.

Edy will have to try to reconcile his own contradictions .

I'm not sure I will be able to beat my own contradictions by myself. Can you help me get started by listing them?

Lets hope you're right IFC and they avoid civilian casualties where they can.

I'm not sure I will be able to beat my own contradictions by myself. Can you help me get started by listing them?

1a) Unqualified support for Ukraine. With all its "internet lawyer" justification.

1b) Israel. Prosecuting a war against a population without an army.

What internet lawyer justification?

And are you still posing as a neutral?

What internet lawyer justification?

That Ukranians are innocent victims of the bombs raining on them but Palestinians somehow deserve theirs. Roughly.

What are the true respective situations?

Also, since this forum so much reflects and represents your identity, why can you not weigh in on the side of Israel in this war?

I know you're aching to..

I've weighed in on the conflict. Including directly to you and given that you seem to know what I think, you must have noticed that I have talked to you about it. Not sure why you now choose to pretend that I haven't weighed in.

I don't want to misquote you, edy. My recollection is that Israel is excused from a professed commitment towards a two-state solution because Palestinians rejected it before. Which makes a mockery of the last two decades of diplomacy and the stated goals of the EU, USA, Saudi, Egypt, UK, Palestine and Israel today.

But you're right; turns out there was no road-map. There was no paper. There was no pencil.

Oct 31, 2023 -- 4:10PM, edy wrote:

What are the true respective situations?

.

Your recollection is incorrect btw.

Similarly to how you kept misrepresenting what I had said about land claims/rights earlier in quite quick succession. Maybe buy yourself a Nintendo DS and "Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day!" if indeed these occasions are not the result of malicious intent.

What are the true respective situations?

You realise what you are doing: constantly referring back to earlier posts is demanding personal attention.

Very well, the true respective situations are that Russia and Ukraine are hopefully going to settle out of a conflict leaving the Russians with a strip of land whereby it can sustain Crimea for as long as it wishes to align with Moscow, losing Ukraine; and Israel are waging war on a defenceless population. Some people like watching that sort of spectacle and, like it or not, edy, that is the side you are with.

I like to think of it as reminding you after you coincidentally ignored something completely because you deemed it uncomfortable to answer. If you want, I can imitate you on that behaviour going forward and ignore quite a lot of your prompts and questions completely and then, when you ask again, refer you to your own post just now.

Would you like to do that?

Very well, the true respective situations are that Russia and Ukraine are hopefully going to settle out of a conflict leaving the Russians with a strip of land whereby it can sustain Crimea for as long as it wishes to align with Moscow, losing Ukraine; and Israel are waging war on a defenceless population. Some people like watching that sort of spectacle and, like it or not, edy, that is the side you are with.

In the Russia - Ukraine war, are both completely equally at fault?

And hey, I didn't demand an answer to

edy • October 31, 2023 7:56 PM GMT
Though you still gotta clarifiy something else: If Russia obviously has a historical claim to Crimea because of the language spoken by its current inhabitants and because of a dodgy referendum........why do you want West Ukraine to not be Ukraine? What language do the people speak there? Who lives there? What do you expect a referendum tomorrow to show which country those people would like to belong to?

even though that's really something where you'd be left floundering around, which is why you chose to completely ignore it.

But I've already said the annexation of West Ukraine points up the hypocrisy of Ukraine's claim on Crimea. 

I don't have to nominate a "superior" claim to West Ukraine if Ukraine's claim on Crimea is based on Kruschev's gift to commemorate 300 years of Russia/Ukraine union.

Must you be told everything twice, edy? Is that not just another cloying strategy to keep attention on you?

Once is usually enough if one actually answers the question instead of sneakily trying to circumvent it.

You said "Obviously Russia" in regards to who has the historical claim on Crimea. Reason being their population allegedly wanting it. As the super neutral you are, you of course yet again made sure to make it sound like it was your perfectly normal referendum. In the general talk about historical claims, language also seemed important to you.

You also wrote recently

Amputated of its lands West and East, Ukraine may be a viable independent state

Do you not deem it hypocritical from yourself to amputate west Ukraine or are you indeed suggesting that its population has a desire to join another country and doesn't speak the ukrainian language? Why is Ukraine not a viable independent state with its western part?

VLOD SPROUT, kicking orf he is getting no Attention or Funding

"[Avdiivka] is being erased, shattered. There have been more than 40 massive shelling attacks against the territorial community in the past day," said local leader Vitaliy Barabash.

He said two civilians had been killed and warned that Russia was building up to a third wave in its offensive. Ukraine says Russia has been pouring reinforcements into the area in a bid to encircle and capture the town.

More carnage and death. The West have lost interest and the middle east is flavour of the month. F*arty boys deflecting with Mills and Boon tales of parental romances. You couldn't make it up.

You willing to engage in a discussion yet or still only interested in concern trolling?

Concern trolling which, judging by your strict inclusion of something about the f*rty boys in every single occasion, does have the only purpose of you getting to post something about us.

I wonder how long it will be before the US  back out of this,as it's blatently obvious that Ukraine are getting slaughtered,it's titally unsustainable i saud this 6 months ago and where are they going to people to fight there's no one left..

I think they already have. Token gestures from here on in.

spiegel.de/international/world/ukrainian-special-forces-officer-all egedly-involved-in-nord-stream-attack-
No sh1t Sherlocks

I like this bit! Who says sect inflicted Sabotage was over Beastie Boys ?
Names of companies, middlemen, IP addresses of mails and phone calls, location data and numerous other, even clearer clues that have been kept under wraps so far. One top official says that far more is known than what has been publicly stated.investigators are certain that the saboteurs were in Ukraine before and after the attack. The technical information available points to that.

Three people were killed and six were injured during Russian shelling of the southern Ukrainian city of Kherson, local governor Oleksandr Prokudin has said.

Innocent deaths daily. No progress on offences this year and not a lot of point liberating Kherson if your getting shelled and killed. Never ending lunacy cheered on by vested interests and the f*rty boys.

Russian shelling killed six people and injured at least 10 in various parts of the southern Ukrainian region of Kherson over the last 24 hours, local officials confirmed.

“Over the past day, the enemy launched 58 attacks, firing 347 shells from mortars, artillery, Grads, tanks, UAVs and aircraft. The enemy fired 43 shells at the city of Kherson,” Prokudin said, according to a translation.

So much for the liberation on Kherson eh? Surely its obvious to everyone by now the spring/summer offensive was a disaster and should never have happened. Well maybe not everyone.....

What type of person never admits they're wrong?

Due to a fragile ego, some people refuse to admit they are wrong, even in the face of overwhelming evidence. There is professional help available for people with low self-esteem. If a person is unable to cope psychologically with being wrong, they may attempt to deny facts in order to justify their actions or beliefs.

VLOD SPROUT , says cistern  Going well , send more money

Has he openly Condemned the Hamas Attacks yet ?

For taking away his Limelight

Nov 17, 2023 -- 3:27AM, truehoncho wrote:

Russian shelling killed six people and injured at least 10 in various parts of the southern Ukrainian region of Kherson over the last 24 hours, local officials confirmed.“Over the past day, the enemy launched 58 attacks, firing 347 shells from mortars, artillery, Grads, tanks, UAVs and aircraft. The enemy fired 43 shells at the city of Kherson,” Prokudin said, according to a translation.So much for the liberation on Kherson eh? Surely its obvious to everyone by now the spring/summer offensive was a disaster and should never have happened. Well maybe not everyone.....What type of person never admits they're wrong?Due to a fragile ego, some people refuse to admit they are wrong, even in the face of overwhelming evidence. There is professional help available for people with low self-esteem. If a person is unable to cope psychologically with being wrong, they may attempt to deny facts in order to justify their actions or beliefs.

Is the bold text about the people that refuse to ever discuss matters, for the sake of not having their egos, and instead go to some serious coping mechanisms all the time for which they produce fake dialogues containing and projecting all their deepest sexual desires?

egos scarred further

No Case, but it did suggest Putin may have had a hand in it. Probably hoping for another box of those T-shirts for Christmas.

Edy - Hey Porcie I'm chasing Honcho around the forum. I've found some cretin who thinks the Ukraine offensive wasn't pointless.
Porcie - Be careful he spotted a moronic post I made. I looked like a proper plonker.
Edy - I will but we have to try anything. There have been thousands of innocent deaths and no progress made just like he said, what can I do?
Porcie - Maybe deflect with some fantasy like the one about your mum and dad falling in love over a shopping bag.
Edy - Yeah, shall I tell them how my gran and granddad met at a Hitler youth meeting?
Porcie - Ffs say nothing about that. Not let me sit on your face and f*art.
Edy - Ok.

Careful. You nearly had something interesting to say.

I gotta say the apparent issue regarding him not being able to bring himself to write out the word "fart" even though they seem to occupy the majority of his thoughts continues to be a rather fascinating matter.

It's the extra character again. Must be trembling. What is it? Flart? Fhart? Fwart?

Edy - Do you think if we keep posting nonsense to each other it will deflect from our stupidity Porcie?
Porcie - Well as long as no one goes back to the start of this thread where Honcho points out that the offensive will achieve nothing other than pointless deaths, then we should be ok.
Edy - What if they do and read our stupid posts that were all wrong?
Porcie - We'll just have to keep deflecting. Now bend over and have a smell of this.
Edy - Ok

Oh, wanna discuss thoroughly and show how always right you are?

Or you gonna dodge away like you have been doing for quite a while now at anything remotely threatening to your self delusion?

This was my post, the 4th or 5th post on the thread.

they cannot possibly win or even put up any sort of fight without losing thousands of lives. They have put up a good fight and probably kept Russia to gaining the minimum. Its time to stop and get some diplomacy going.

This was Porcies responce.

...they should just give in and let Russia win. Pweeze. Pwetty pweeze.

He's still a clown

And Edy said it would work because they had liberated Kherson (although he didn't know when). Not a clue, either of them.

You are still going with that weird thing of talking to the invisible audience instead of to talking to me.

And then you, who always talks to this invisible audience to impress it and specifically and only posts about losses of life to get a chance to talk about the "f*arty boys" in here, says others just want to sound smart on a forum. Coupled with you yesterday advising someone to let go, which is tragically ironic coming from you in that regard.

Zero self-reflection in place.

Nov 17, 2023 -- 3:04PM, truehoncho wrote:

And Edy said it would work because they had liberated Kherson (although he didn't know when). Not a clue, either of them.

Feel free to quote me here btw., to really embarrass me.

That is.....if you didn't just make things up.

Actually, not just "feel free to". Please do quote me as you did make it up.

Nothing? Well, imagine my shock!

You making up thinks like that in a forum cred lusting address to your imaginary friends in your mythical audience that is craving your every word has to be one of the more incredible things I've encountered on here.