Well, well, it seems we can’t trust Sue Grays report

Well lp if you think Ms Gray is unfit for the job
That’s a matter for you
I believe she was happy to meet the pm
I only question why she didn’t make clear the circumstances

The village always has the bunting up...

what a feeble effort,have a game of holding the stick there with Lfc.

Well it’s just a matter of logical thinking lapsy
Ms Gray imo requested a meeting because she was happy to do so

You may think otherwise - but it follows if that is the case
she should have said so

So either she is up to the job or she isn’t
Which is it ?

I Thought you were from Cork lapsy.

I know with remainers logical thinking is not always their thing

May 23, 2022 -- 3:12PM, akabula wrote:

Going round in circles.Sue Gray called the meeting. There wouldn't be a meeting if she hadn't called it.

What's the difference between suggesting and calling a meeting? Genuinely would like to know how you differentiate. My boss suggests we have a meeting, I'm the dogsbody so I check the free time and book it in.


Am I the one who called it or him?

Johnson requests a meeting, gray gives a date

Johnson says he didn't request a meeting

Ah gray requested a meeting say the half wits

The government correct the record to show Johnson lied again

The half wits back peddle all the way to their
bunting clad village, crown intact

A boss doesn’t suggest things that cannot be declined
A boss tells you there will be a meeting
Boris didn’t do that

Lfc finally starting to get it that
Johnson requested the meeting

Ms Gray was asked if it would be helpful to have a meeting
So it wasn’t a request . She then considered the suggestion and requested a meeting

there’s no point using words if you don’t understand words

Suggestion - Request
Two different words

If SG didn't want the meeting she wouldn't have called it.
Do you agree with that?

But at the lobby briefing today the PM’s spokesperson admitted that Downing Street had instigated the meeting. He said earlier this month there had been contact, at official level, between No 10 and Gray’s team to discuss a meeting. Asked who suggested the meeting, he replied: “No 10 officials.”

So she agreed to the suggested meeting???


And I'm not sure I do agree. If my boss, the PM of the country, suggests we have a meeting then I'm pretty sure we'll be having a meeting.

You have to dut lapsy some slack
The Irish gaelic is his first language.

There’s that word suggested yhtl
Then Ms Gray requested a meeting

You are getting there lfc

Johnson requested meeting then lied about it.

A new low says sir kier starmer



A new low,... How low can a guy that lied to the Queen go.



Everybody knew Johnson was lying, his lips moved.

No pineapple . Ms Gray never received a request for a meeting
If she wasn’t able to be independent from whatever the pm suggests
Then of course we have a problem with the inquiry
Either she is independent or not
That’s a matter for Ms Gray to clarify

As my question to lapsy ( still unanswered )makes clear

Either you think Ms Gray is capable of fulfilling that role or she isn’t

Which is it , either she was happy to request a meeting or felt pressured and she wasn’t

In which case she shouldn’t be doing that job

I know that’s a bit subtle and requires logical thought

but there’s no substitute for clear and unbiased thinking , imho

A subtle way of instigating a meeting
by suggesting you have a meeting.

Pity the half wits are only slowly spotting it.

Hey ho, we are getting there

Johnson lies, his defenders end up looking stupid

Twas ever thus

I think she is well capable and should have been allowed to have conducted her investigation without the 'magical' intervention of the police.


However how that came about we will probably never know(maybe we should ask Bas the assistant commissionar in the Met as he is v high up,yes Savids brother in the cabinet).

It did buy Johnson time and given the villagers reaction that may have worked a bit, rumours are the village is getting town status soon.

If only he can hang on until the jubilee of the queen he
so humiliated by lying to...

Lots of bunting will calm the half wits

Never realised up til now that lapsy is a conspiracy nutter.

Heaven help us , lapsy will be telling us next that Boris wanted a police investigation

And then if there hadn’t been a police investigation he would have complained about that

That’s the sort of madness that poor Boris has to put up with lol

I can see why the the unionists are having so much trouble in NI etc

That's the sort of made up nonsense I expect from a half wit.

A whole hour, and that's it?

more gibberish from yhtl

The barrister advising Sue Gray is Daniel Stilitz
A rabid remainer and labour supporter
I’m afraid anything Ms Gray comes up with is under suspicion

pd don’t forget Mr Starmer and Angela’s curry and beer party and 30 others or more
While people died alone in hospital

Normal to raise your glass whilst toasting someone at a leaving do.
Whats the problem?

I wonder how many Covid laws yhtl broke whilst these people died alone.
And I bet they never entered his head at any time.

Dec 8th 2021,
Labours Catherine West;

'Can the PM tell the house whether there was a party or not on the 13th Nov'?

BJ 'No,but i'm sure whatever happened,the guidance and rules were followed at all times'

Looks like a party to me,he hasn't been fined for that,why not?  Maybe rules weren't broken? Maybe the police took it easy? Who knows.

He did say it wasn't a party though and it looks like one.


You can tell your dup buddies in the village that sales from NI to Republic are up 34% while visa versa up 49% from 2021(source manufacturing NI) 
The Protocol is working brilliantly!

Whose turn is it to hold the wrong end of the stick or have you a couple of sticks?

Lapsy says he thinks Ms Gray is a good �un and can do the job
But wasn’t able to because of some reason because of the police
And yet she hasn’t said so herself - which of course she would do
If she was good
Ah I’m sorry that doesn’t make sense

Lapsy NI exports have not . Recheck your figures
And it’s a bad thing if they are importing more from the south
because of problems in trade caused by the sea border
Try and keep up

It’s like this - if trade with the south of Ireland has increased
And trade with the U.K. has decreased …that is a bad thing

And Is another reason to get rid of the internal border

There ,  can’t say it any simpler than that

lfc whinging like a big girls blouse as usual when something doesn't suit him. Moron.

Of course I know republicans and nationalists are happy to see British trade suffer
But that is just one more reason to be sceptical of anything they might think is good
Yes , good for them, they’re like that
Time for tea

No,you(NI) are sourcing from the South otherwise you would have the some gaps in supermarkets as you have on Britain itself.
You don't need paperwork really from NI-Rep because they are 'checked'
The UK exports need to be checked going to France,Holland,etc
This is Brexit,checks to any part of the EU.

You cannot argue it isn't the best performing area in the UK,it is.Why iyo?

Only one moron on here  Charlie and its you.

Lapsy can’t get into this now
Obviously if there are problems caused by the sea border
with sourcing from Britain then there is likely to be increased traffic from the south
There shouldn’t be problems sourcing GB / NI
I
If there are problems sourcing from the south of Ireland / and GB
And this leads to increased trade from the south
Then that is because of the rightful restrictions between the south of Ireland
And GB and the south

Now I don’t want to have to explain that piece by piece
Haven’t the time

I'll stop you on your 1st line, there are problems with UK exports full stop,forget sea borders, doesn't matter.
The UK is exporting less to the continent as it isn't worth the cost and trouble.
That is a shocking problem and should never have been allowed happen.

Is that in Sue Grays report lapsy?

To put it simply the south of Ireland should be forced to trade more north
If they find it advantageous
NI should not be forced to trade south because of restrictions with the sea border

Thats when you know lapsy is floundering, and he flounders a lot, he changes the subject.

It was in reply to 5.31 post,i didn't bring it up,you can pass the stick back now.

He didn't actually, he merely made a passing reference to it.

You haven't explained your comments on the police investigation.

I think i've been as clear as i want to be with that.

Why do you think Boris didn't get a fine while people at the same party did?

Because he didn't break the law would be my guess. Yours?

I'm puzzled, all who were present should have.

He lied saying there were no parties
He lied saying no rules were broken
He lied saying  he wasn't there.

And still I haven’t seen any evidence of Boris drinking

And still I haven’t seen any evidence of Boris drinking



Of course you haven’t. The donkey express won’t bring today’s newspapers to your village until Saturday!

Who can you trust?

There was a strong suspicion from the outset that the Gray Report would be little more than a whitewash. Boris was just too keen for it to happen. And the police? Boris fined for just party? We are meant to believe their findings?

All against a background of Tory MPs with no scruples whatsoever.

Of course it wasn't the Gray report to start with, Boris tasked Simon Case with it originally - Case then vanished into thin air (he wishes!).

Just back from a fabulous few days in Matt Molloys famous Teacht Ceol having successfully scaled Croagh Patrick to find the the forum has sunk to new loss with this disgusting narrow minded thread for small minded insular nationalist filthy racist liars.

A deplorable offensive thread for low life,i regret to feel the need to say.

Thankfully I know it is not representative of all English or Scottish folk.

No Surrender

You don't get a choice

pecker go and run your head under a cold tap
and calm yourself

Did you walk it in your bare feet ?

I'm very calm dear boy.

Nice thing to do

No not bare foot, I'll leave that to the shamed

Anyway good for you , saw a programme about it once and it appealed to me
Glad you had a good retreat from all this nonsense
Don’t get annoyed by what you might think are someone’s viewpoint

After the 1916 Easter Rebellion was crushed, Michael Collins, the future leading Irish revolutionary, reportedly said to one of his colleagues as they were marched off to jail that an Irish army should never again directly confront the military might of the British Empire. He promised that the next time they would face England on their terms, not as doomed targets in open warfare.


Thanks lfc, and you neither.

After Sinn Fein’s victory in the December 1918 Westminster elections, the Irish Republican Army (IRA) started a guerilla war where local battalions of their forces ambushed Royal Irish Constabulary (RIC) and British Army groups on patrol or just moving from one place to another. While they were very short of weapons, they took advantage of their superior knowledge of the local terrain and used the powerful element of striking first in surprise attacks to inflict serious losses on the enemy before withdrawing to nearby mountains or other safe-havens. This war lasted from January 1919 until July 1921 when a truce was agreed between the IRA and the British government.


My grandad was no can of Dev, in fact he refused his pension money, if you see.

There were other major happenings in the war outside of Cork. September, Balbriggan, Co. Dublin, two policemen were shot dead in a bar. The official response led by the Tans included the bayoneting of two suspects and burning many houses in the town.


There was more than one flying column I can officially inform you.

My Da played for Star of the Sea

All I can say

She hasn’t been completely candid ( that’s the nicest way I can think of saying it ) about the meeting she arranged
with the pm . How surprising -


A pathetic attempt to try and discredit Sue Gray.

The allegations from labour and others and in the press was that the pm
was attempting to interfere with the process of the inquiry and that she was
told to attend a secret meeting with the pm
When the pms office denied this and said that it was in fact Ms Gray who had requested the meeting
the reply from Sue Gray was something along the lines of oh that’s not our recollection of what happened
That was a very vague response , and of course leaves the question as to what actually happened open
and open to the allegations to continue unanswered . Ms Gray didn’t reveal or state that she had in FACT
requested a meeting . Thus she was being less than candid

I’m not actually saying that Ms Gray will not be independent or not do a good job
I think it’s likely she will and we will get the truth generally of what took place

Not true

The PM’s office initially said that the meeting between The Sleaze and Sue Gray was at Ms Gray’s instigation.

It turns out that what they said was untrue ie they lied (again). The Sleaze asked for the meeting. It’s not hard to work out why is it? He is hoping that he can subvert the report and cling on to his job in order to enrich himself and his corrupt old Etonian chums even more at our expense.

The Sleaze is still trying to make real his continued belief that there are one set of laws he passed that apply to the plebs. And no sets of rules at all for the entitled Hooray Henries who gave billions to their chums in the PPEgate disaster; accepted billions in Putin blood money into the Tory Party, and refuse to help the British people who are being propelled into poverty by the most corrupt government we have ever had.

A controversial meeting between Boris Johnson and Partygate report author Sue Gray
was instigated by a Downing Street official, No 10 has admitted.
Downing Street has admitted it was No.10 that asked Sue Gray to meet Boris Johnson
to discuss her partygate report.

it's not even in dispute anymore yet for some reason the op is still denying reality.

No Downing Street has not admitted that
They said they had talked and asked her if she thought a meeting would be possible and helpful
Ms Gray later requested a meeting

The prime minister has declined to give details of the highly controversial meeting,
the PM's spokesman later clarified that No 10 officials had suggested the meeting.

Ms Gray never made this clear that she had done so
Whilst the allegations against the pm were ongoing

The fact is Ms Gray wrote or sent an e mail
Requesting a meeting with the pm
She never mentioned this or made it clear

It’s a very important point , because it demonstrates that it was a joint decision and an agreement to meet
Not one that Ms Gray felt she would be forced into
That was the narrative that some were trying to portray

It’s very important that we have, in The Sleaze, the biggest liar as PM and most corrupt government in U.K. history.

That’s what’s important. The fact that he got caught lying again about who asked for the meeting with Ms Gray only adds to the record of lies.

All in all quite a fair and balanced and sensible report

Well done Ms Gray

Says Leo f Cain

Report seems far closer to a whitewash than a bombshell. Doesn't have anything much more that wasn't already known, or could be reasonably anticipated.

Bits in between the overdose of Kuenssberg filler on last night's Panorama, more damning.

Whatever the report said the majority of Tory MPs would have just turned a blind eye. The whole affair has just highlighted a complete lack of moral compass.

Keep the lying buffoon in office because we haven't got a better lying buffoon.

Current tory MPs are just sitting there hoping for a miracle.

Clue is in that she states punishment for law breakers is beyond her remit.

It's a report on law breaking, of the 600 days of debauchery
overseen by Johnson who was keen to join in wherever
possible rather than recognising systematic law
breaking, of laws he had recently written into law.

She includes emails where they say they got away
with it.

Interesting how Princess Tut Tut's party slipped through the net. That must be why he point blank refused to say anything about it at the despatch box.

Yep

Good law project have threatened further action

He surely can't lie to parliament again about
parties with music, that he layered up for to
explain to the Met.

Heaven forbid he's lied under oath to policr

Lawyered

Pippa Crerar question about flat - dodged yet again

(these journos really have to learn to ask a single question - will they ever learn?)

"I don't know exactly what they told you", but it is "my strong impression that they genuinely believed that what they were doing was working," says the PM.

That's the point, a few drinks after work is fine, a complete loads of bollox & waste of time/money

Were they drinking at work or after work?

Not allowed to drink at work in civil service

Unless manager gives specific permission on special occasions

I worked years in the home office, all leaving Leo's in-house were alcohol free.

You were advised not to eat in front of Muslims who were fasting.

Here's my take on it all (feel free to ridicule, I can't justify it but it's my opinion on what happened).

BJ appointed Simon Case (considering what has come out about him subsequently who better to appoint?) After he stood down Sue Gray appointed, she prepared her report and there was a problem........

Better leave it at that

Actually, I might write a work of fiction instead. I have a few ideas which are quite far-fetched but people could be taken in by them.

There's plenty in sue gray report

She has pinned blame on him, but not named him.


He seems happy with that, and the half wits follow
him over cliff anyway.

on current polling anything up to 100 tory MPs may be in danger but they don't seem to care. just baffling really

Let Johnson take rap for the mess over
next 2 years, get new leader for next election?

Dunno...


Maybe make them a hero by ousting Johnson?

He's got 30% support anyway, just needs
1 in 10 of others to switch back and he
wins election...